mega thread Feminist Club!

[FoxyCryptid 4,327]

Friendly reminder that this topic is meant to talk about feminism as a pro. Even if it's a "circle jerk", it's been to be a safe haven for feminists. If you want to debate, please do so in another thread in the debate pit, thank you.

 

If the mods wouldn't lock nearly every thread that's critical of it while leaving only this open....

 

A chain is only as strong as its weakest link.  Promoting more positive outlooks as well as educating others about the truths of the evils of society can strengthen us, the chain-links, as to thus possibly enable ourselves to do the right thing and act accordingly, should an incident ever occur in earshot of us.  Just knowing that this stuff happens, and that we can do something about, isn't leading to passiveness, but rather activeness, in that we might be able to save someone from harm's way.  

 

... Lead not into temptation, but deliver us from evil...

 

We have the ability to reach out and help.  Let us do so, if it is ever needed.  Someday you might need the help, and I just hope that the help will be there, will be effective, and will allow a successful escape from harm.

 

That really has nothing to do with this, at all.

 

A echo-chamber in fact discourages that because people won't voice their concerns and criticisms. 

[Hive King 1,998]

@@IceeBrony,

Let me rephrase that, they kill more than other animals. 

@,@,

Then what's the point of this thread if we can't call out any disagreements? Do we merely shut up because people here want to have their every whim agreed with? 

[mars 4,861]

@@IceeBrony,

Let me rephrase that, they kill more than other animals.

@,@,

Then what's the point of this thread if we can't call out any disagreements? Do we merely shut up because people here want to have their every whim agreed with?

This thread isn't for people to disagree, lol. It was not meant to be a debate. So yeah, people here agree with feminism and find it a positive experience to talk about it in a safe thread. As I said, please go debate in another thread.

[ShadowFoxz 342]

@,@,

Then what's the point of this thread if we can't call out any disagreements? Do we merely shut up because people here want to have their every whim agreed with? 

This thread wasn't meant for that, If that is what you want to discuss take it to the debate pit and you are trying to use accusations as a last resort to a battle you are not winning. I will not proceed anymore with this

[Jennabun 1,578]

 

 

The purpose of this thread is to provide a forum specifically for feminist (or feminist supporters, if you prefer not to label yourself) to discuss feminism in a positive way. I've found that being pro-feminist in the MLP fandom can, ironically, be an alienating and discouraging experience. It's getting increasingly difficult to bring up sensitive issues related to gender equality without people getting very defensive or angry. For these reasons, I've found myself wanting to discuss feminism is relation to my life or in relation to My Little Pony, but felt there was no safe place for me to do so. I thought to myself, "I can't be the only person who feels this way!" Therefore, I thought creating a thread specifically for people searching for other feminist-minded fans would be beneficial and healthy for the fandom at large.

 

for those of you wanting to know what the point of the thread is

[Hive King 1,998]

@,

What if we agree with certain parts but not all of it? I think the whole idea of counseling the abuse victims is great and that con security should step up. On the other hand, I disagree with bitch being the end all and that abuse/rape jokes are horrible

[mars 4,861]

@,

What if we agree with certain parts but not all of it? I think the whole idea of counseling the abuse victims is great and that con security should step up. On the other hand, I disagree with bitch being the end all and that abuse/rape jokes are horrible

Then talk about the parts you agree with only.

[Hive King 1,998]

Then talk about the parts you agree with only.

You must be joking. You can't say that with a straight face

[Jennabun 1,578]

We just have to, as a group, focus on being supportive of each other and not so antagonistic. The problems occur when the antagonistic replies outweigh the positive ones, which seems to be the case lately. In order to keep the thread purposeful and topical, we have to make positivity a priority. If you can't handle it, then there are many other threads. We don't want the thread to go away. Lets change our behavior.

[IceeBrony 251]

Let me rephrase that, they kill more than other animals

Fair enough

 

Can we get back to happy topics?

I love Cyanide and Happiness. I know one girl who loves beets and unsalted mashed potatoes... Some people shouldn't be allowed to cook 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R5RvAKBci0

Edited August 6, 2014 by IceeBrony

[Commissar Alexer 763]

I have a question for all of you feminists:

 

When i hear about feminism, i always see 'equal rights' or more women into 'leadership positions' but never really see anything about 'equal duties' or 'we need more female contruction builders, channal diggers or soldiers..'.

 

Why?

Why is it that women still expect me to pay for everything despite earning their own money? Why i am not allowed to defend myself against women when she attacked me but it's totally ok against a man? Why are the Twilight Series so popular(serious question)? Why is the dead of woman more sad and outrageous than the one of a man?

 

I would really know the answers for those questions...

[Jennabun 1,578]

@IceeBrony, I LOVE THAT COMIC!!! Makes me laugh everytime.

[mars 4,861]

I have a question for all of you feminists:

 

When i hear about feminism, i always see 'equal rights' or more women into 'leadership positions' but never really see anything about 'equal duties' or 'we need more female contruction builders, channal diggers or soldiers..'.

 

Why?

Why is it that women still expect me to pay for everything despite earning their own money? Why i am not allowed to defend myself against women when she attacked me but it's totally ok against a man? Why are the Twilight Series so popular(serious question)? Why is the dead of woman more sad and outrageous than the one of a man?

 

I would really know the answers for those questions...

Unfortunately, I don't know why our society has such a double standard. Sometimes men have gender standards forced upon them as well. We can't forget that.

But the Twilight series is awful. It praises abusive relationship ships, and it's garbage.

 

On a different topic, I drew this image a week or two ago, when more radical feminists were saying that men or genderfluid people couldn't be considered beautiful :

 

Edited August 6, 2014 by Destiny

[Jennabun 1,578]

I have a question for all of you feminists:

 

When i hear about feminism, i always see 'equal rights' or more women into 'leadership positions' but never really see anything about 'equal duties' or 'we need more female contruction builders, channal diggers or soldiers..'.

 

Why?

Why is it that women still expect me to pay for everything despite earning their own money? Why i am not allowed to defend myself against women when she attacked me but it's totally ok against a man? Why are the Twilight Series so popular(serious question)? Why is the dead of woman more sad and outrageous than the one of a man?

 

I would really know the answers for those questions...

 

I do think more women in male-dominated career fields would be great, whether the position is glamorous or not. I think people focus on the leadership positions like CEOs and stuff because those fields have power, which means the gender imbalance has more of an affect on things. But I can assure you, you'd be hard-pressed to find a legit feminist who's like "but women can't be construction workers lol!!!!" If they say stuff like that, they're not feminists. They're...  i don't know, just ignorant.

 

Men shouldn't pay for everything. That idea is based upon dated gender roles that feminists wish to get rid of. Men shouldn't feel like a woman paying for a date emasculates him - not fair.

 

If you are a victim of assault, you deserve the same help and respect as a female victim. The idea that only women can be assault victims is also based on gender stereotypes which feminists wish to get rid of.

 

Twlight is popular because our media glorifies and romanticizes unhealthy, downright creepy relationships to the point where girls think it's normal. It's sad, really.

 

Every death is tragic. I would never value someone's life more according to their gender. That's... odd.

 

 

On a different topic, I drew this image a week or two ago, when more radical feminists were saying that men or genderfluid people couldn't be considered beautiful :

 

Aaaah Destiny, I love it! Too cute! Positive/feminist ponies are my favorite.

Edited August 6, 2014 by Jennabun

[ShadowFoxz 342]

Because I haven't done this yet

 

- Why do you think feminism is still relevant to today's world?

Yes because Transgender women need assistance as they deserve equal rights and are not getting them.

- What is difficult about being a feminist in general?

I would say misinformed/ ignorant people

- What is awesome about being a feminist?

Seeing the results of your labour and seeing the impact it has and how it improves some peoples lives

- What are some good feminist quotes, graphics, or articles?

This a good article but its more LGBT but it has some Feminist stuff in it.  http://roygbiv.jezebel.com/trans-women-male-privilege-socialisation-and-feminis-472949124

[Simon 4,554]

has already asked for everybody to remain on topic in this thread, so I'm going to give you one final reminder.  This topic is not a debate thread, it is designed for discussion about feminism in a positive light.  If you would like to debate this issue, you are welcome to post in an existing feminism thread in the debate pit such as this one.

 

Up until recently this has been a largely civil discussion and I would like to leave this thread open if at all possible.  However if this thread continues to remain off topic and everybody cannot be respectful to each other, this thread will be locked.

[Jennabun 1,578]

I just really like this graphic! :3 Feminism gets bashed all the time for being "exclusionary," but all true feminists know that anyone, man or woman or non-binary, can be a feminist, and that feminists care about everyone's well-being.

 

[ShadowFoxz 342]

I just really like this graphic! :3 Feminism gets bashed all the time for being "exclusionary," but all true feminists know that anyone, man or woman or non-binary, can be a feminist, and that feminists care about everyone's well-being.

 

This photos ties in too well with this so i just had to mention this pic

[Delernil 952]

Well after looking through this thread i guess i can get behind this kind of Feminism. Really, im just a supporter of everyones rights. So yeah. You guys have my support i suppose.

 

So how is it that you try to bring equality? Whatre some ways you promote feminism or find out how to help in bringing equality?

Edited August 8, 2014 by Delernil

[ShadowFoxz 342]

Well after looking through this thread i guess i can get behind this kind of Feminism. Really, im just a supporter of everyones rights. So yeah. You guys have my support i suppose.

 

So how is it that you try to bring equality? What are some ways you promote feminism or find out how to help in bringing equality?

I personally made myself a Ally to the whole LGBT community and for finding ways to help bring equality can vary and be tough depending on your area so I sadly have no definite answer for that.

Edited August 8, 2014 by @Vinyl Scratch

[Jennabun 1,578]

So how is it that you try to bring equality? Whatre some ways you promote feminism or find out how to help in bringing equality?

 

In my job, I work with children - primarily children who are people of color and who come from poor families. I'm a teacher. Though feminism isn't a part of my job description by any means, I do my best to uplift and empower the kids, especially the girls. The boys have gone through some serious stuff in their lives too (usually intra-gender violence - boys targeting other boys for physical aggression), but the girls often go through some especially messed up stuff. Not only do several of them come from backgrounds which include sexual harassment, rape, assault, parental abuse, etc, but they frequently go through some sexist shit at school as well. Sexism is still a big problem in poor communities - more so than you would think. Kids from poor communities don't really learn proper social skills at home a lot of the time, and that lack of social skills leads to some nasty sexist habits (and just a lack of respect for people in general - the kids don't really learn right from wrong due to little to no parental involvement in their lives).

 

A big part of what I try and do to promote equality for the girls is call the boys out on the egregious sexual harassment I witness. The boys don't know how to properly treat girls. For example, we actually had to have a school assembly once about why it's not okay for a boy to run up and grab a girl's butt or try to flip up her skirt in the hallway X____X. I've also written boys up for blatantly calling girls sluts and bitches during class. There's also been relentless gossip among the guys about the girls and which ones are down to "give it up" - and they're only 11-13 years old. It's so gross. Oh, and I've had some boys refuse to be paired up with girls just for being fat. Ugggggggh. So yeah, I've really had to draw my line in the sand and explain to them that their behavior is not ever okay. I don't put up with it - if I see any sort of harassment like that, I call them out, conference with them about it, write them up, call their parents... I send the message out every day that NO KIND of bullying is ok, and that includes sexist bullying.

 

I guess I think (or I hope) it makes a difference. I hope kids see me standing up for the girls and realize that it's not ever acceptable to treat people like garbage, and that we all deserve respect.

 

I also try to empower the girls who "play dumb" in class. In poor black communities, daring to be a smart, black girl can get you targeted for lots of harassment. People try to tell the smart girls that they're "trying to be white" by doing well in class, leading to their alienation. Also people try to bring the girls down a lot by telling them that they'll never be able to go to college because they are poor, that they'll get knocked up before they graduate high school, etc... the girls actually start to internalize this and believe it, unfortunately. Because of this phenomenon, a lot of the girls will actually be very bright (which I can tell by their test scores and written assessments), but during class discussion and group work, they dumb themselves down just to fit in and live up to their peers' expectations. I've called girls out on it before and tried to tell them that it's a powerful, wonderful thing to be an educated person and that they shouldn't limit themselves. I hope it makes a difference. I mean, I try.. but it's hard to combat ingrained cultural stereotypes.

 

Soooo yup, that's what I do. I do a lot of other stuff on a daily basis too to encourage equality and respect among genders (and stuff outside of my careers as well), but we'd be here all day if I kept typing

 

Oh, and just for the record: I do a lot of empowerment stuff with the boys too - it's not like I singularly only reach out to girls who are having issues and ignore the boys who are having issues. That would be sad. I was just specifically discussing the problems the female students face because they definitely tend to be victims of general sexism and sexual harassment more often than the male students.

[The JLmle 5,474]

Because I haven't done this yet

 

 

- Why do you think feminism is still relevant to today's world?

Yes because Transgender women need assistance as they deserve equal rights and are not getting them.

- What is difficult about being a feminist in general?

I would say misinformed/ ignorant people

- What is awesome about being a feminist?

Seeing the results of your labour and seeing the impact it has and how it improves some peoples lives

- What are some good feminist quotes, graphics, or articles?

This a good article but its more LGBT but it has some Feminist stuff in it.  http://roygbiv.jezebel.com/trans-women-male-privilege-socialisation-and-feminis-472949124

A very interesting read, not to sound rude, or misinformed; but what Exactly is the "male priveledge" they keep bringing up? I'm not sure I fully understand it

In my job, I work with children - primarily children who are people of color and who come from poor families. I'm a teacher. Though feminism isn't a part of my job description by any means, I do my best to uplift and empower the kids, especially the girls. The boys have gone through some serious stuff in their lives too (usually intra-gender violence - boys targeting other boys for physical aggression), but the girls often go through some especially messed up stuff. Not only do several of them come from backgrounds which include sexual harassment, rape, assault, parental abuse, etc, but they frequently go through some sexist shit at school as well. Sexism is still a big problem in poor communities - more so than you would think. Kids from poor communities don't really learn proper social skills at home a lot of the time, and that lack of social skills leads to some nasty sexist habits (and just a lack of respect for people in general - the kids don't really learn right from wrong due to little to no parental involvement in their lives).

 

A big part of what I try and do to promote equality for the girls is call the boys out on the egregious sexual harassment I witness. The boys don't know how to properly treat girls. For example, we actually had to have a school assembly once about why it's not okay for a boy to run up and grab a girl's butt or try to flip up her skirt in the hallway X____X. I've also written boys up for blatantly calling girls sluts and bitches during class. There's also been relentless gossip among the guys about the girls and which ones are down to "give it up" - and they're only 11-13 years old. It's so gross. Oh, and I've had some boys refuse to be paired up with girls just for being fat. Ugggggggh. So yeah, I've really had to draw my line in the sand and explain to them that their behavior is not ever okay. I don't put up with it - if I see any sort of harassment like that, I call them out, conference with them about it, write them up, call their parents... I send the message out every day that NO KIND of bullying is ok, and that includes sexist bullying.

 

I guess I think (or I hope) it makes a difference. I hope kids see me standing up for the girls and realize that it's not ever acceptable to treat people like garbage, and that we all deserve respect.

 

I also try to empower the girls who "play dumb" in class. In poor black communities, daring to be a smart, black girl can get you targeted for lots of harassment. People try to tell the smart girls that they're "trying to be white" by doing well in class, leading to their alienation. Also people try to bring the girls down a lot by telling them that they'll never be able to go to college because they are poor, that they'll get knocked up before they graduate high school, etc... the girls actually start to internalize this and believe it, unfortunately. Because of this phenomenon, a lot of the girls will actually be very bright (which I can tell by their test scores and written assessments), but during class discussion and group work, they dumb themselves down just to fit in and live up to their peers' expectations. I've called girls out on it before and tried to tell them that it's a powerful, wonderful thing to be an educated person and that they shouldn't limit themselves. I hope it makes a difference. I mean, I try.. but it's hard to combat ingrained cultural stereotypes.

 

Soooo yup, that's what I do. I do a lot of other stuff on a daily basis too to encourage equality and respect among genders (and stuff outside of my careers as well), but we'd be here all day if I kept typing

 

Oh, and just for the record: I do a lot of empowerment stuff with the boys too - it's not like I singularly only reach out to girls who are having issues and ignore the boys who are having issues. That would be sad. I was just specifically discussing the problems the female students face because they definitely tend to be victims of general sexism and sexual harassment more often than the male students.

Wow! I really admired you before, just from our prior experiences in the G3 fan club, but the more I read from you here; the more I truly just I don't know the word... You are willing to look at everyone with an open heart, acknowledge the worst but focus on the best. I'm sure there are kids you frustrate by standing up to your beliefs; but I'm also sure the positive impacts you've made in others must be tremendous! Keep up the good work!

[ShadowFoxz 342]

 

 

A very interesting read, not to sound rude, or misinformed; but what Exactly is the "male priveledge" they keep bringing up? I'm not sure I fully understand it

to be honest I am in a simillar situation as I can get the examples but thats only because I have experianced it but its very hard to explain

[Ashen Pathfinder 16,151]

In my job, I work with children - primarily children who are people of color and who come from poor families. I'm a teacher. Though feminism isn't a part of my job description by any means, I do my best to uplift and empower the kids, especially the girls. The boys have gone through some serious stuff in their lives too (usually intra-gender violence - boys targeting other boys for physical aggression), but the girls often go through some especially messed up stuff. Not only do several of them come from backgrounds which include sexual harassment, rape, assault, parental abuse, etc, but they frequently go through some sexist shit at school as well. Sexism is still a big problem in poor communities - more so than you would think. Kids from poor communities don't really learn proper social skills at home a lot of the time, and that lack of social skills leads to some nasty sexist habits (and just a lack of respect for people in general - the kids don't really learn right from wrong due to little to no parental involvement in their lives).

 

A big part of what I try and do to promote equality for the girls is call the boys out on the egregious sexual harassment I witness. The boys don't know how to properly treat girls. For example, we actually had to have a school assembly once about why it's not okay for a boy to run up and grab a girl's butt or try to flip up her skirt in the hallway X____X. I've also written boys up for blatantly calling girls sluts and bitches during class. There's also been relentless gossip among the guys about the girls and which ones are down to "give it up" - and they're only 11-13 years old. It's so gross. Oh, and I've had some boys refuse to be paired up with girls just for being fat. Ugggggggh. So yeah, I've really had to draw my line in the sand and explain to them that their behavior is not ever okay. I don't put up with it - if I see any sort of harassment like that, I call them out, conference with them about it, write them up, call their parents... I send the message out every day that NO KIND of bullying is ok, and that includes sexist bullying.

 

I guess I think (or I hope) it makes a difference. I hope kids see me standing up for the girls and realize that it's not ever acceptable to treat people like garbage, and that we all deserve respect.

 

I also try to empower the girls who "play dumb" in class. In poor black communities, daring to be a smart, black girl can get you targeted for lots of harassment. People try to tell the smart girls that they're "trying to be white" by doing well in class, leading to their alienation. Also people try to bring the girls down a lot by telling them that they'll never be able to go to college because they are poor, that they'll get knocked up before they graduate high school, etc... the girls actually start to internalize this and believe it, unfortunately. Because of this phenomenon, a lot of the girls will actually be very bright (which I can tell by their test scores and written assessments), but during class discussion and group work, they dumb themselves down just to fit in and live up to their peers' expectations. I've called girls out on it before and tried to tell them that it's a powerful, wonderful thing to be an educated person and that they shouldn't limit themselves. I hope it makes a difference. I mean, I try.. but it's hard to combat ingrained cultural stereotypes.

 

Soooo yup, that's what I do. I do a lot of other stuff on a daily basis too to encourage equality and respect among genders (and stuff outside of my careers as well), but we'd be here all day if I kept typing

 

Oh, and just for the record: I do a lot of empowerment stuff with the boys too - it's not like I singularly only reach out to girls who are having issues and ignore the boys who are having issues. That would be sad. I was just specifically discussing the problems the female students face because they definitely tend to be victims of general sexism and sexual harassment more often than the male students.

 

If I may say, I want to say thank you for not only what you do, but HOW you do it. While I'm not sure if all of those you teach will take your example to heart, I'm sure there are quite a few who will not only take what you teach to heart, but also empower others years down the road.

 

Not just with girls though; but the boys as well. I've seen plenty of the stuff you mention when I grew up in this small rural area. Boys who acted differently from the norm were kinda outcasted, and made fun of. I had to face some of that myself, so it does my heart good to see someone doing what they can to better this world.

[Jennabun 1,578]

 

 

A very interesting read, not to sound rude, or misinformed; but what Exactly is the "male priveledge" they keep bringing up? I'm not sure I fully understand it

 

Male privilege basically means there are certain inherent advantages that are associated with being a man or presenting yourself as a man. Men benefit a lot from their gender. The benefits depend on what country you live in, and the benefits range in magnitude from things like "more likely to see positive, strong portrayals in the media" to "less likely to experience sexual harassment in the workplace" to "less likely to be killed for losing their virginity." Most of the higher magnitude things happen more likely to occur in countries outside the first world, but the first world faces some unique challenges. Male privilege takes subtle, but significant, forms in the first world. In first world countries, sexism is seen as "not as issue anymore" to most people because institutional sexism can often be invisible and sneakily perpetrated. For this reason, men take most of the benefits of male privilege for granted, assuming that we live in a post-sexism world and that all people benefit equally from the system. This male experience tends to make social and institutional sexism invisible to most men unless they make a conscious effort to educate themselves about it. I saw a quote once that said men are more likely to think sexism is "individual acts of meanness" instead of a widespread cultural trend because they experience male privilege - I think that sums it up pretty well.

 

 

Wow! I really admired you before, just from our prior experiences in the G3 fan club, but the more I read from you here; the more I truly just I don't know the word... You are willing to look at everyone with an open heart, acknowledge the worst but focus on the best. I'm sure there are kids you frustrate by standing up to your beliefs; but I'm also sure the positive impacts you've made in others must be tremendous! Keep up the good work!

If I may say, I want to say thank you for not only what you do, but HOW you do it. While I'm not sure if all of those you teach will take your example to heart, I'm sure there are quite a few who will not only take what you teach to heart, but also empower others years down the road.

 

Not just with girls though; but the boys as well. I've seen plenty of the stuff you mention when I grew up in this small rural area. Boys who acted differently from the norm were kinda outcasted, and made fun of. I had to face some of that myself, so it does my heart good to see someone doing what they can to better this world.

 

Oh wow, thanks. I'm really flattered.

 

And yeah, I've seen the boys go through alienation when they choose not to buy into a culture that tells them they have to be tough, insensitive, and unemotional. Boys who tend to friends with girls get called "faggots" or "pussies." Boys who are small, quiet, or gentle get made fun for being "girly" and "prissy." Boys get told they can't express emotion so they resort to physical violence. So yeah - the degradation of femininity hurts both boys and girls in unique ways. That's why I'm a strong proponent of the idea that EVERYONE needs feminism.