If you had the ability, would you try to get surgery to live forever?

[BronyPony 575]

So, I was doing some research on brain transplants, and supposedly it has been successfully done with dogs, where a doctor successfully transplanted the brain of a dog into another. This brings up much controversy because of the religious implications.

 

Here is the question. If our technology becomes advanced enough to have the ability to make robotic bodies while being to put our brains into the machines and function well with the robot(which might even allow the ability to live forever), would you do it? Explain why you would or would not.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_transplant

[(MARVEL) Blue Blood 991]

To be honest, no. The idea of living forever sounds cool, but outliving your family, friends, and everyone you love will be too much for me to handle. 

[BronyPony 575]

To be honest, no. The idea of living forever sounds cool, but outliving your family, friends, and everyone you love will be too much for me to handle. 

That would only be if they decide to not take the ability to live forever.

[(MARVEL) Blue Blood 991]

That would only be if they decide to not take the ability to live forever.

Knowing my friends and family, they wouldn't want to live forever.

[TopazReshiram 26]

Wouldn't be worth it to me to be honest. Outliving everyone I know and hearing they passed away would be too much for me to handle.

[BronyPony 575]

Wouldn't be worth it to me to be honest. Outliving everyone I know and hearing they passed away would be too much for me to handle.

Sometimes it can be a good thing to gain wisdom about life and death.

[SkyDream 315]

Sorry, but I've got a date with destiny.  Then it's on to round 43 for some more!

 

Living forever out of a fear of death is like waiting forever to rip off a bandaid.  There's healing going on under there, y'know.    And the lessons about not getting injured there anymore.

[BronyPony 575]

Sorry, but I've got a date with destiny.  Then it's on to round 43 for some more!

 

Living forever out of a fear of death is like waiting forever to rip off a bandaid.  There's healing going on under there, y'know.    And the lessons about not getting injured there anymore.

Sometimes it is not a fear of death that makes us want to avoid it. It is the want to explore the Universe more and be able to see what is out there without a time limit.

[Ezio Auditore 702]

What's to say it would even be me anymore? We don't even know if the conscious is in the brain or something more transcendent in nature. What becomes of time and meaning if ones life is eternal? There's just too many contingencies.

 

As one of my favorite authors, Mitch Albom, said (whether you're religious or not it's interesting)

"There is a reason God limits man's days. To make each one special."

 

 

[Silver Letter 1,830]

I would love to exist for a good 10,000 years or more. I don't see a problem with it actually.

[BronyPony 575]

What's to say it would even be me anymore? We don't even know if the conscious is in the brain or something more transcendent in nature. What becomes of time and meaning if ones life is eternal? There's just too many contingencies.

 

As one of my favorite authors, Mitch Albom, said (whether you're religious or not it's interesting)

"There is a reason God limits man's days. To make each one special."

 

 

Well, of course it is impossible to live forever because soon enough the Universe will collapse, by theories suggested by Steven Hawking.

[chaos rains 190]

So, I was doing some research on brain transplants, and supposedly it has been successfully done with dogs, where a doctor successfully transplanted the brain of a dog into another. This brings up much controversy because of the religious implications.

 

Here is the question. If our technology becomes advanced enough to have the ability to make robotic bodies while being to put our brains into the machines and function well with the robot(which might even allow the ability to live forever), would you do it? Explain why you would or would not.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_transplant

fact is i would like to be alive in somebodies memory rather than live physically.when we die we leave space for a new generation to grow so I dont agree with living forever as I dont agree with cloning.we should cherish the time we have as life is precious and should be as such

[BronyPony 575]

fact is i would like to be alive in somebodies memory rather than live physically.when we die we leave space for a new generation to grow so I dont agree with living forever as I dont agree with cloning.we should cherish the time we have as life is precious and should be as such

Well, as humanity has shown history is sometimes forgotten and lost, not an insult to you or anything. 

[Ezio Auditore 702]

Well, of course it is impossible to live forever because soon enough the Universe will collapse, by theories suggested by Steven Hawking.

 

I have some objections to the 'Big Crunch' theory. If spacetime were to collapse it would violate the second law of thermodynamics, since entropy would decrease in that instance. http://colinb-sciencebuzz.blogspot.com/2009/10/can-entropy-decrease-in-big-crunch.html

[Callisto 1,873]

Unlike everyone else, I'd love to live forever. I want to see humanity's progression, and the only people I really care about (my parents and siblings) I'm likely going to outlive anyways.

[ShadowPirateX 600]

I'm not sure if I'd take the immortality...

On one hand, it'll be sad to outlive everyone I know. Not unbearable. Just sad.

On the other hand, I get to experience EVERYTHING! I get to do all the things I've wanted to do, but couldn't due to a lack of time. I can survive so many things I have been afraid of. I get to explore every corner of Earth and possible even the star systems once I'm done with Earth.

 

And who's to say I can't kill myself if I get tired of life?

[chaos rains 190]

Well, as humanity has shown history is sometimes forgotten and lost, not an insult to you or anything. 

that is infact true and I thought of that after sending the message but fact is living forever is to me more a curse than some kind of miracle or whatever. Dying is how I feel its meant to be so the next generation can live and have the same cycle besides I believe in rebirth. Takes my mind off the actual thought but if im wrong then ill shrug my shoulders and walk to the light anyway. Immortality is a wonderful thought to an extent but nah. Sorry about any spelling mistakes new tablet.

[Princess Periwinkle 3,774]

No. 90 years will be more than enough for me to stick around this planet. Then peace guys, I'm out.

[BronyPony 575]

I have some objections to the 'Big Crunch' theory. If spacetime were to collapse it would violate the second law of thermodynamics, since entropy would decrease in that instance. http://colinb-sciencebuzz.blogspot.com/2009/10/can-entropy-decrease-in-big-crunch.html

I don't see how it would be against the laws of thermodynamics.

 

I read the article, and reading farther the author replies with a solution to solving the problems that exist with the 'Big Crunch.'

 

 

 

t's all to do with the size of the Universe, and its fitness or otherwise to act as an entropy-increasing heat sink. While the Universe is expanding, there is abundant space in which heat can dissipate, or other forms of disorder can occur - eg dilution of gaseous end products etc. In the initial stages of contraction, things would continue much the same while there are still light-years between galaxies, or light-minutes between planets and their nearest neighbours, or even light-seconds between a planet and its moon with intervening space.

 

But imagine the process of contraction occurring continuously. There will finally come a time when one's perception of nature will change. Galaxies will collide for a start, but let's focus on events at a more local level. Previously there was almost limitless space for heat to dissipate. That will no longer be the case - for two reasons. First there is less space for any new heat to dissipate. Secondly, and more importantly, all the previous heat dissipated into the Universe - which is still out there- will become progressively concentrated. (Reminder; it's not just the contents of space that disappear into a black hole vortex - but the fabric of space-time itself- represented by the mesh in the graphic).

 

 Temperatures in deep space, presently a few degree above absolute zero, will start to increase. The so-called microwave background radiation,  a left-over from the Big Bang - will gradually shift and start to shorten in wavelength - first to normal radio frequencies, and then into the infra-red region. That's when things start to get interesting. Engines will no longer run so efficiently, because as background temperatures rise, they will find it progressively harder to dissipate exhaust heat.

 

Let's now look at the salt/water system. Yes, salt will continue to dissolve in water, suggesting that all is well - that the Second Law is still operating.  But as background temperatures increase, the water gets hotter, and if there were still observers around, a point would be reached when the water was no longer liquid at normal temperatures and pressures. In other words, salt could not dissolve in water - if there were no liquid water still in existence!

 

So there would in fact be a gradual violation of the Second Law as we know it, were the Universe to implode towards a Big Crunch, due to increasing difficulty in dissipating waste heat against a background of rising temperature.  In the final stages, the temperatures would become so great that no heat could be dissipated at all. In that situation, one has returned to a state of minimum entropy, but hugely elevated temperatures.

 

Had a classical thermodynamicist such as Carnot (of eponymous cycle fame) been born into a contracting Universe he would have enunciated the Second Law of Thermodynamics differently, methinks.  Quite how it would have been worded I would not care to speculate, except to say it would need to have been heavily qualified re differences between open and closed systems. Could a contracting Universe even be described as "open". Only when the system under study was small, with a sizeable temperature difference between it and everything else "out there"?

 

What then?  See my earlier ideas in the margin (scroll down) which have now been appeared in the MSM - so far with no serious objections being raised. I do not believe that the Big Crunch continues indefinitely. There comes a point when, through frictional forces, the plasma reaches the maximum possible temperature - when its constituent particles (strings?) then  moving/vibrating so rapidly that they reach the speed of light,  and then transform into massless photons. When that occurs,  the system ceases to be a superblack hole, and spectacularly flies apart, creating a new Big Bang.

From what I read, it seems a continuous Big Crunch would not be possible, but a finitely going one is possible.

[DubWolf 16,561]

Hold on a sec... Isn't the /mind/ of the dog essentially the identity of the dog? If I'm brain dead, and you place another brain into me, that person in my body wouldn't be me anymore.

 

And no, I wouldn't do that unless everyone else did.

[Unravelings 70]

Yes I would!

I would turn into a supervillian and dominate the world 

[M'aiq the Liar 5,804]

Well, if I could get this fantastical robot body that I can control as easily as my biological one, but with all the benefits of being a machine body then yes, I would most certainly become a android. I would not live forever, but there is so much more one could accomplish without the time constraint put upon us all by mortality and degradation of the biological machine.

[BronyPony 575]

Hold on a sec... Isn't the /mind/ of the dog essentially the identity of the dog? If I'm brain dead, and you place another brain into me, that person in my body wouldn't be me anymore.

 

And no, I wouldn't do that unless everyone else did.

That isn't how it works or what I am getting at. A majority of the time, the cause of the death is the functionality of the body. Your brain dies when it has no oxygen being fed to it. If there was a machine to be able to provide that, your brain could live on for much more. If there is brain damage caused by aging, it can be fixed.

 

What I am talking about is taking someone's brain from someone who is about to die and put it in a machine that can imitate the provisions needed.

[Odyssey 5,713]

Indecisive. Seeing things change as time goes by would be amazing, but I wouldn't want to put up with stuff like outliving my family. -3-

[chaos rains 190]

That isn't how it works or what I am getting at. A majority of the time, the cause of the death is the functionality of the body. Your brain dies when it has no oxygen being fed to it. If there was a machine to be able to provide that, your brain could live on for much more. If there is brain damage caused by aging, it can be fixed.

 

What I am talking about is taking someone's brain from someone who is about to die and put it in a machine that can imitate the provisions needed.

id love yo see you prove yhis theory. Just saying I reckon when death comes let it be I mean who knows maybe we do transcend to a higher state. Now that to me would be better than living forever oh and I dont mean religiously as im not religious.