The Dazzlings vs Discord

[Hive King 1,998]

The Dazzlings at full power decide to brawl Discord for...whatever contrived reason you can think of.

 

Both groups are in character

The Dazzlings are aware of Discord's abilities

Discord knows of theirs as well

 

This is Discord pre-reformation for obvious reasons

 

I think the Dazzlings win, rather easily at that. Adagio could fend off the Elements for a short amount of time, that alone is more impressive than Discord screaming "NO!" and getting stoned. But when all three combined their powers, they outright beat the Elements, something Discord can't even dream of

[Hive King 1,998]

And... When did this happen?

They screamed at the Elements for a bit and forced them away. The Mane 6 required Sunset Shimmer to help them out to beat them

[Photon Jet 5,489]

Since Discord got fully reformed I think he would win with some support from the Mane Six. But first, Discord would cause mischief to the Dazzlings such as muting them with a TV remote control or put up a sound barrier around him. If the situation was really dire for him, he'll summon the Mane Six instantly to keep him cover.

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What? He's the Element of Chaos after all and he can do things extremely out of the ordinary.   

Edited October 25, 2014 by Photon Jet

[Hive King 1,998]

Um... They weren't up against the elements of harmony. They were up against leftover magic from the elements of harmony, which wasn't even being properly harnessed. That's about a fraction of a fraction of the elements' power.

This was never stated, you'd think it would have been mentioned if this were the case. It's just the power of the Elements being focused in a different way

 

Since Discord got fully reformed I think he would win with some support from the Mane Six. But first, Discord would cause mischief to the Dazzlings such as muting them with a TV remote control or put up a sound barrier around him. If the situation was really dire for him, he'll summon the Mane Six instantly to keep him cover.

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What? He's the Element of Chaos after all and he can do things extremely out of the ordinary.   

First off, I said pre-reformation, second off, calling in help isn't allowed in this kind of threat

 

If it was, then Applebloom can beat Discord because she can call the Elements in

[Gatekeeper Giggle 2,902]

Discord would take away the dazziling's power rubies in a matter of seconds, leaving them helpless. 

[Photon Jet 5,489]

Oh right. Guess I should back up to a corner and rethink on that pre-reformation part. My apologies. *reverses to a corner*

Edited October 25, 2014 by Photon Jet

[Hive King 1,998]

Discord would take away the dazziling's power rubies in a matter of seconds, leaving them helpless. 

He can't affect those that are stronger than him, see his absolute failure to do anything to Tirek

[Hive King 1,998]

Um... I think it's pretty bloody obvious. Not everything needs to be stated dude. We clearly see Twilight go into the portal without the elements. They aren't there. They've never been harnessed without being present, let alone while supporting the tree of harmony. If anything I think it would have been mentioned if the Elements of harmony were being used.

They look the same as they did whilst using the Elements and it's clear that the artifacts themselves aren't necessary as seen in the first Equestria Girls and even the Seasons 1 pilot(though they were reformed). They may not be using the Elements, but it's the same power

[Gatekeeper Giggle 2,902]

Oh, this is going to be a fun debate! Mind if I play some appropriate debate music?

 

 

 

He can't affect those that are stronger than him

Anyway, do you remember this?

Discord was easily able to steal the elements of harmony, even though they were way stronger then he was. I assume the same holds true for the dazzleing's power sources. 

[Hive King 1,998]

@,

He wasn't stealing them, he was lifting her up. Hell, he got blocked by Twilight's shield a second later, don't you think that if he was trying to take the Elements, he'd just wait for the shield to go down and tear them away? 

 

And it's worth noting that the necklaces are actually parts of the Dazzlings in Siren form, it was their human form that made them necklaces

[Gatekeeper Giggle 2,902]

 

 

He wasn't stealing them

But he did steal them in the beginning of the episode, even though celestia protected them with magic. Quite easily, I might add.

 

 

 

And it's worth noting that the necklaces are actually parts of the Dazzlings in Siren form

So? That doesn't mean he can't steal them.  

[Hive King 1,998]

 

 

But he did steal them in the beginning of the episode, even though celestia protected them with magic. Quite easily, I might add.

They weren't attached to anyone there. It's kind of like how the Alicorn Amulet can easily be taken when it's not on the user, whilst being impossible to take off while on someone. Now, whether or not the gems work the same way doesn't matter, the point is, removing something that is being worn is different from taking something not being worn

[NavelColt 22,876]

It's an interesting comparison actually. The Stare, among other things, were shown to have zero effect on Discord, likely because of his sheer power. I wonder if the Sirens would have any effect on him either, even if at full power. I'd like to remind the OP that Discord's stonenation (both times were easy, not just when the Mane Six defeated him) was likely a result of the fact that he was an overpowered character, in a children's shown with limited show time. The writer's didn't have the chance within their 20 minutes of episode time to have a final climactic battle with Discord, as opposed to Rainbow Rocks where they had five times that amount due to it being a full-length movie. With that extra time they could easily afford the villains a chance to fight back at the end before they inevitably got their asses handed to them.

 

Looking at it purely as a power comparison, Discord still trumps. The sirens can entrance with music, but Discord can snap his fingers and do whatever he wants. Even if the Sirens could influence him, he could summon corks in his ears to block their power as Vinyl's headphones did. The only chance the Sirens would have would be if they were all three at absolute full-power and caught him off-guard, and even then it's not a solid fact, because there's no direct evidence that Discord could be effected, just as there's no real evidence he could.

 

One thing's interesting enough, Discord and the Sirens (the Windigoes, too) have the same methods for breaking apart the Mane Six. Causing them to fight among one another, for the villain's personal gain in some way.

[Hive King 1,998]

 

 

It's an interesting comparison actually. The Stare, among other things, were shown to have zero effect on Discord, likely because of his sheer power. I wonder if the Sirens would have any effect on him either, even if at full power

They don't need to mind control him, just beat him into submission with their shrieks

 

 

I'd like to remind the OP that Discord's stonenation (both times were easy, not just when the Mane Six defeated him) was likely a result of the fact that he was an overpowered character, in a children's shown with limited show time. The writer's didn't have the chance within their 20 minutes of episode time to have a final climactic battle with Discord, as opposed to Rainbow Rocks where they had five times that amount due to it being a full-length movie. With that extra time they could easily afford the villains a chance to fight back at the end before they inevitably got their asses handed to them.

Out of universe reasons are pointless, via that logic, I can say that Discord was actually what created Sombra, but this wasn't shown due to time.

 

There's no reasoning behind it at all and involves using meta

 

 

Looking at it purely as a power comparison, Discord still trumps. The sirens can entrance with music, but Discord can snap his fingers and do whatever he wants.

No, he can't. He was humiliated by Tirek who just paralyzed him with magic and drained him

 

 

Even if the Sirens could influence him, he could summon corks in his ears to block their power as Vinyl's headphones did. The only chance the Sirens would have would be if they were all three at absolute full-power and caught him off-guard, and even then it's not a solid fact, because there's no direct evidence that Discord could be effected, just as there's no real evidence he could.

Vinyl resisted them while they were weak and not on Equestrian magic, it's not a good comparison. Also, they didn't full on scream at her like they did against the Elements either

[Gatekeeper Giggle 2,902]

 

 

Alicorn Amulet

You know, I'm glad you brought that up. Remember this?

Discord could easily do the same thing to the sirens, immediately rendering them powerless.

 

 

 

removing something that is being worn is different from taking something not being worn

Dosen't matter. Discord would be teleporting them off, not ripping them off.

[Hive King 1,998]

You're making a massive assumption there. It's frankly quite annoying actually. Even when they did look like that, they were directly harnessing the power of ONE element. Since the Element isn't there, that means whatever they're harnessing is more than likely leftover magic from the first time they used it.

As are you. You assume that because the physical Elements aren't there, the Elements' power isn't actually being used to its fullest. This is never said, you'd think that Twilight would say something like "Darn, if only we had the full power of the Elements", if this was true. Otherwise, you have to guess that Twilight assumes that using "weak" Elements will still do the trick

You know, I'm glad you brought that up. Remember this?

Discord could easily do the same thing to the sirens, immediately rendering them powerless.

 

 

 

Dosen't matter. Discord would be teleporting them off, not ripping them off.

That was a gag for the sole purpose of setting up Pinkie's impromptu band later, otherwise, Pinkie has no lungs. Again, he didn't do it to Tirek

 

And Twilight can teleport things, didn't do it to Trixie

[A goat 323]

Discord would obviously win, he can bend reality if he so pleases.

[NavelColt 22,876]

They don't need to mind control him, just beat him into submission with their shrieks

 

Out of universe reasons are pointless, via that logic, I can say that Discord was actually what created Sombra, but this wasn't shown due to time.

 

There's no reasoning behind it at all and involves using meta

 

 

No, he can't. He was humiliated by Tirek who just paralyzed him with magic and drained him

 

Sound waves are sound waves, there's no proof that shrieking would have any more effect than mind control enchantment, because none of the Mane Six had any kind of ear blockage at the point the Sirens began shrieking.

 

If that's how you want to argue your points x)

 

Tirek was beyond all levels of any creature or magical being ever seen or recorded by the time he was strong enough to subdue Discord That is the sole reason he was able to subdue Discord. Saying the Sirens could do something to Discord, because Tirek could is just as false logic, because it didn't prove Discord was in fact weak, it just meant Tirek had gotten so strong by absorbing the magical essence of hundreds of ponies that he was able to stop even a powerful entity like Discord.

[Gatekeeper Giggle 2,902]

Again, he didn't do it to Tirek

Just because Discord didn't do it doesn't mean he can't do it. And even mentioning Tirek is ridiculous seeing as he is more powerful then both the Dazzlings and Discord.

 

 

 

That was a gag for the sole purpose of setting up Pinkie's impromptu band later, otherwise, Pinkie has no lungs.

What are you talking about? 

 

Yes, Discord could easily simply remove the dazzilings power sources, or just simply remove their voices altogether. And Discord could do this from thousands of miles away, safely out of the reach of any attack they could throw at him.

 

Curse you spell check! CURSE YOU!!! 

Edited October 25, 2014 by Stormgiggle

[Conred 274]

Oh please, OP. Even Vinyl Scratch would be able to defeat Dazzlings if she cant hear them. Their only power was their siren voice to partly control their victims. Discord could just block his ears and then teleport a giant rock under their heads, game over. Really EG havent had a single villain that would be a threat not only to Equestria, but also to humans. Army or police would deal with everyhing.

[Hive King 1,998]

No, I'm not. We've seen multiple times that the mane 6 have had to retrieve the elements before harnessing any of their power. When discord took them, they didn't just shrug and blast him anyways. They had to get them back.

Nightmare Moon crushed the Elements, didn't stop the Mane 6 from using their power

Discord would obviously win, he can bend reality if he so pleases.

Then he is an idiot for not doing it to Tirek or simply rewiring everypony's brain to love him

 

 

Sound waves are sound waves, there's no proof that shrieking would have any more effect than mind control enchantment, because none of the Mane Six had any kind of ear blockage at the point the Sirens began shrieking.

The difference is that one has more effort behind it and that the shrieks are apparently meant for full on offense, not subterfuge like their songs.

 

 

Tirek was beyond all levels of any creature or magical being ever seen or recorded by the time he was strong enough to subdue Discord That is the sole reason he was able to subdue Discord. Saying the Sirens could do something to Discord, because Tirek could is just as false logic, because it didn't prove Discord was in fact weak, it just meant Tirek had gotten so strong by absorbing the magical essence of hundreds of ponies that he was able to stop even a powerful entity like Discord.

My point was that Discord can't affect someone stronger than him, his magic just can't affect them 

 

 

What are you talking about?    Yes, Discord could easily simply remove the dazzilings power sources, or just simply remove their voices altogether. And Discord could do this from thousands of miles away, safely out of the reach of any attack they could throw at him.   Curse you spell check! CURSE YOU!!! 

Discord is far too arrogant to do that, his strategic mind, barring the Plunderseeds, is an absolute joke.

 

And by gag, I mean that it's just a joke, not meant to be taken seriously. For example, Big Mac can pull a house in Hearts and Hooves Day, yet struggles with a cake and saddlebags in other episodes. Therefore, him pulling the house is for the sake of a joke, and shouldn't be taken seriously as a measure of his power 

[Art Thief 215]

Discord turns them into seas ponies... shoo be doo shoo shoo be doo.

[Hive King 1,998]

 

 

Oh please, OP. Even Vinyl Scratch would be able to defeat Dazzlings if she cant hear them.

If it was that simple, she'd just give the Mane 6 hearing protection. If it was that simple, they wouldn't have been so feared in Equestria. Vinyl wasn't affected because they weren't at full power

 

 

Discord could just block his ears and then teleport a giant rock under their heads, game over.

He's an idiot who would let them take their best shot and you know it, see what happened when he saw Celestia and Luna powering up the Elements as well as the Mane 6.

 

Besides, the power of the Elements is more impressive than a rock, and Adagio's scream alone was able to fend off its power, for a little at least

 

 

Really EG havent had a single villain that would be a threat not only to Equestria, but also to humans.

Sunset Shimmer has mind raping powers and presumably, keeps all her powers used as a unicorn. Anything Twilight can do, Demon Sunset Shimmer can do better, along with adding to her troops every time she takes over something

 

The Dazzlings can cause chaos among people and are tough enough that Starswirl the Bearded had to step in, instead of any other pony in Equestria, like Clover the Clever(who had the Fires of Friendship) 

[Hive King 1,998]

Go back and watch the season premier you silly filly. The elements appear around all their necks (or head) long before they harness any sort of power, after resurrecting them with the spark of... Uh, the spark. They have never once used the elements without actually having the elements.

They used the Elements in EQG without them as well, aside from the Element of Magic. Granted, according to Sunset Shimmer, they were draining her power, but still, it counts

[Fractured 2,683]

Discord drops the moon or sun on them, or teleports them underground, or mind rapes, or removes their arms and legs, or traps them in a reality bubble, where he busies himself imagining more and more creative ways to kill them.