Nintendo Fanboys: Logical points or Hypocrisy?

[Plageius 263]

So recently, I posted a status update questioning Nintendo fanboys criticizing anyone who isn't Nintendo for being unoriginal, while they are happy to buy the next Rehased Super Mario. I was just curious on you guy's thoughts on the matter, so I made this.

[Moonlight 7,279]

Their series may be "rehashed" in some forms, but Nintendo is all about fun, and their games are always fun for the whole family. Also, lmao Nintendo fans don't criticize everyone for being unoriginal they criticize the same fps that's put to market every single year with no noticeable differences (and it's not even Nintendo fans most of the time), or god forbid, no memorable characters (something almost all of Nintendo's games have). 

[Henny Penny Benny 936]

I think there's certainly some validity to the point—Nintendo has certainly made quite a few "New Super Mario Bros." games—but I think where they differ from Sony and Microsoft is that they do a good job finding a balance between new-and-inovative and old-but-gold.

[Castle Bleck 19,166]

1 or 2 Mario rehashes >>> 10 or 20 COD rehashes.

[Plageius 263]

1 or 2 Mario rehashes >>> 10 or 20 COD rehashes.

First of all there have been 11 COD games so far not counting handheld or mobile releases.

Second: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_featuring_Mario

Their series may be "rehashed" in some forms, but Nintendo is all about fun, and their games are always fun for the whole family. Also, lmao Nintendo fans don't criticize everyone for being unoriginal they criticize the same fps that's put to market every single year with no noticeable differences (and it's not even Nintendo fans most of the time), or god forbid, no memorable characters (something almost all of Nintendo's games have). 

Because Master Chief, Joel and Ellie, Ratchet and Clank and Sly Cooper arent things, RIIIIGHT?

[GenderIsAnIllusion 2,177]

The way I see it, is when a game is released,mi expect to be buying a complete game (especially when I'm spending 40-80 bucks per game), and not to have to buy extra missions, or weapon packs, or character packs, just to feel like I have a complete game. It just feels to me like Sony and Microsoft don't really care about the actual games anymore, and care more about squeezing every last cent from players.

 

As for originality....... Let's just face it, Call of Duty has been about Online Multiplayer since the PS3 and Xbox 360.... And every time it's rehashed, the multiplayer is the same crap, with maybe better weapons, and slightly increased gameplay. and now multiply that by how ever many first person shooters, and BAM....... You have a game library where most of the games are the same thing with a differant theme.

 

But that's just my humble opinion.

[Plageius 263]

The way I see it, is when a game is released,mi expect to be buying a complete game (especially when I'm spending 40-80 bucks per game), and not to have to buy extra missions, or weapon packs, or character packs, just to feel like I have a complete game. It just feels to me like Sony and Microsoft don't really care about the actual games anymore, and care more about squeezing every last cent from players.

 

As for originality....... Let's just face it, Call of Duty has been about Online Multiplayer since the PS3 and Xbox 360.... And every time it's rehashed, the multiplayer is the same crap, with maybe better weapons, and slightly increased gameplay. and now multiply that by how ever many first person shooters, and BAM....... You have a game library where most of the games are the same thing with a differant theme.

 

But that's just my humble opinion.

First of all, Nintendo is doing the exact same milking that Sony and Microsoft are doing. Wheras you can still play online fine on the 360 and PS3, the online servers for ALL original Wii games have been terminated. And plus those video game happy meal toys called Amiibos [actually next post I make ill post a hilarious video by blackbond on those], and you'll finally see Nintendo is doing the same things in different ways.

First of all, a weapon cannot get "better" in a new game. Second of all, what the hell does "Increased Gameplay" even mean? Third, if you'd actually bother to play some games outside of Nintendo's realm, you'd see that the games that you say are so similar are actually MILES apart. Anyone who has played both COD and Battlefield, or Need For Speed and Forza/Gran Turismo can vouch with me for this. 

In reference to the video:

[Shanks 10,811]

A lot of Nintendo fans bring up games like Call of Duty for being unoriginal and I am inclined to agree but some of them seem to paint most non Nintendo games in that category and I don't think that is entirely accurate. With that said there are gaming companies that are indeed guilty of rehashing things too much and nearly all first person shooters are notorious for this but Nintendo has on occasion been guilty of this as well. Most of the recent Mario games released have been good but even as a long time Mario and Nintendo fan even I think that most of them aren't as good as the older ones. The Super Mario Galaxy games did capture that old magic. The Zelda series though I think is just as strong as ever, Zelda U looks great.

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 40,274]

This is a subject I have a mixed feeling on. I love Nintendo, I love their games, and I like how they do certain things, like their menus on systems and so on. Nintendo has this great atmosphere to it and their first party games are always fun. My op big problem with them is that they do tend to drag behind pretty much everyone else on a lot of different areas and they seem to get a lot of tree passes when they do, while other companies are subject to harsh criticism.

 

That isn't to say Nintendo is not subject to the same over the top criticism, I do think some are too hard on them, but I can see the point to certain complaints. Still, I think Nintendo is doing okay despite some kinda recent issues. I just hope they actually support their systems longer than they have in the past, that's my biggest complaint really.

[Megas 27,063]

I've always found Nintendo pretty much as the Disney of Video Games(just not evil), mainly due to their games being very memorable and fun(despite a few stinkers) with a large stable of Iconic character, and yet I still find them fresh and always go back to them

First of all there have been 11 COD games so far not counting handheld or mobile releases.

Second: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_featuring_Mario

Tons of Mario games within the span of 8 generations =/= CoD within the span of 10 years

Edited December 22, 2014 by Megas75

[Plageius 263]

I've always found Nintendo pretty much as the Disney of Video Games(just not evil), mainly due to their games being very memorable and fun(despite a few stinkers) with a large stable of Iconic character, and yet I still find them fresh and always go back to them

Tons of Mario games within the span of 8 generations =/= CoD within the span of 10 years

I'll give you that since I can't seem to find a list of games with mario in it on the Wii.

[GenderIsAnIllusion 2,177]

First of all, Nintendo is doing the exact same milking that Sony and Microsoft are doing. Wheras you can still play online fine on the 360 and PS3, the online servers for ALL original Wii games have been terminated. And plus those video game happy meal toys called Amiibos [actually next post I make ill post a hilarious video by blackbond on those], and you'll finally see Nintendo is doing the same things in different ways.

First of all, a weapon cannot get "better" in a new game. Second of all, what the hell does "Increased Gameplay" even mean? Third, if you'd actually bother to play some games outside of Nintendo's realm, you'd see that the games that you say are so similar are actually MILES apart. Anyone who has played both COD and Battlefield, or Need For Speed and Forza/Gran Turismo can vouch with me for this. In reference to the video:

Increased gameplay: enhancements made to existing game mechanics, or new game mechanics being introduced to a game series. A good example is when they indroduction the jet pack thing to the call of duty franchise (which I'll admit is pretty cool upgrade)... And I do play games outside nintendo. I play call of duty on my friends Xbox1 all the time with him... That or Forza (which I never really card for)....

 

The Amiibos are actually a really cool idea... It's both a very well made figure, and a decent enough game enhancement. From what I've seen with the Super Smash games, is you can level your character and the like, and plus the Amiibos will be usable with several games. When I bought my Amiibos I didn't think I was getting ripped off, because it's tangable...... You buy a new gun for COD?.... Too bad you can't hold it in your hand, or use it in the next installment. The Amiibos also are far from nessasary to get to enjoy my game to the fullest wheeras games like Destiny, you have to buy add ons just to be competitive.

 

You bring up that Original wii games online can't be played..., which is true.... But then again I didn't even like the wii multiplayer that much, so I'm not really butt hurt about that.

 

One thing that I noticed about both Sony and Microsoft, is that they are slowly turning there backs on the kids. Less and less E for everone titles are coming out for there consoles... Sad sad sad......

[Radiance64 7,051]

The only stuff Nintendo 'rehashes' lately are Mario, Zelda, and Pokémon. I mean, yeah, that stuff comes out a lot, but they publish a lot of original stuff too- they've got new stuff like Codename STEAM and Splatoon on the horizon, plus they've supported sequels to fan-favorite games that would otherwise be terribly unlikely like Xenoblade X and Bayonetta 2. So, some of their more original stuff might fly under the radar at times, but it's there.

And of course other publishers are original, there's neat stuff everywhere. Don't know how blind you gotta be to deny that. Not like Sony and Microsoft aren't releasing sequels/remakes either though- you just gotta do what works to keep yourself afloat sometimes.

So, I don't know who you're talking to who's being hypocritical, but there are logical Nintendo fans too.

[Plageius 263]

The only stuff Nintendo 'rehashes' lately are Mario, Zelda, and Pokémon. I mean, yeah, that stuff comes out a lot, but they publish a lot of original stuff too- they've got new stuff like Codename STEAM and Splatoon on the horizon, plus they've supported sequels to fan-favorite games that would otherwise be terribly unlikely like Xenoblade X and Bayonetta 2. So, some of their more original stuff might fly under the radar at times, but it's there.

And of course other publishers are original, there's neat stuff everywhere. Don't know how blind you gotta be to deny that. Not like Sony and Microsoft aren't releasing sequels/remakes either though- you just gotta do what works to keep yourself afloat sometimes.

So, I don't know who you're talking to who's being hypocritical, but there are logical Nintendo fans too.

I was referencing the people who think the Wii U is on par technically with the Bone and PS4.

[GenderIsAnIllusion 2,177]

Just wanna quickly add that while Microsoft and Sony both boast 60FPS, 1080p, only the Wii U is able to run it consistently, with nearly every game in its library.

[DND 2,354]

I love Nintendo and I do believe it's got its fair share of originality that still holds it strong. Like every other game developing company out there, it's got a mixture. There's great new stuff and there's great or maybe not so great cliches. Nintendo should'nt be crowned untimately superior in this sense especially because it's been around and with timeless popularity longer than most. Their rep is not so different than their competitors.

[Plageius 263]

Just wanna quickly add that while Microsoft and Sony both boast 60FPS, 1080p, only the Wii U is able to run it consistently, with nearly every game in its library.

Yes, all on games that look like mid-generation PS3/360 games.

[Andaasonsan 3,205]

I was referencing the people who think the Wii U is on par technically with the Bone and PS4.

Oh no, are we back on this? Your OP was about originality, not specs.

 

 

The only game I've seen so far that makes me want to get a WiiU is Bayonetta 2. And the 3DS seems to only really be a Pokemon machine at this point, so I haven't seen a whole lot of reason to pick it up.

 

I've played a ton of great games on my 360 and very few of them shooters as I'm not a big fan of those. I think I've only ever played demos of Call of Duty and Battlefield. I suppose when you get to Online Multiplayer you do run into the "everything is a shooter" problem more. There seems to be this weird philosophy among game companies that every game must have a multiplayer mode, even if it makes no sense whatsoever. So basically whatever game that was cool and interesting in single player turns into just another shooter deathmatch in multiplayer. I was particularly impressed with the totally unnecessary Tomb Raider multiplayer in this regard. Ubisoft somehow managed to make a fresh and interesting multiplayer for it's Assassin's Creed games though, but they pretty much had to rebuild the gameplay mechanics from scratch to make it work. I've heard they aren't doing competitive multiplayer anymore in Assassin's Creed games.

[GenderIsAnIllusion 2,177]

Yes, all on games that look like mid-generation PS3/360 games.

 

Bayonetta 1 and 2 both rival the graphics of COD, while games like Legend of Zelda and the Skyward sword surpass even the best looking xbox1 game (and it was an original wii game) with its beautifully crafted landscapes and characters. And you can't really compare the more colourful games such as the mario ones with things like cod, because cod it stylized to look more realistic, while mario is made to look goofy and kid friendly. And to be brutally honest, I see no noticeable differance between xbox360 and xbox1 graphics at all. In fact they have to pre-render the games trailers at the gaming exhibitions to hype them up, while in reality the game in its final form is quite lower visual quality than the trailer would lead you to believe.

[Megas 27,063]

The Amiibos are actually a really cool idea... It's both a very well made figure, and a decent enough game enhancement. From what I've seen with the Super Smash games, is you can level your character and the like, and plus the Amiibos will be usable with several games. When I bought my Amiibos I didn't think I was getting ripped off, because it's tangable...... You buy a new gun for COD?.... Too bad you can't hold it in your hand, or use it in the next installment. The Amiibos also are far from nessasary to get to enjoy my game to the fullest wheeras games like Destiny, you have to buy add ons just to be competitive.

It's also worth noting that the same Amiibos work on multiple games, which I think is really nice when you think about it

[Hidey 2,836]

I don't have anything against other game companies but aren't PC and Microsoft fanboys more prominent and troublesome than nintendo fanboys?

 

I'll take nintendo over anything else, if I had to choose. Their games are fairly universal and can be played and enjoyed at any age. 

[Barbaloot 197]

Yes and no. I mean Nintendo isn't exactly MUCH better, but they ARE better. Look at every Zelda game past 2006, and look at every CoD game past 2006. It becomes very clear that Zelda games are the much MUCH more original in each iteration.

 

However, that doesn't mean they're all that original themselves either. They do have an issue of milking certain concepts to death before trying something else. But overall, I do think they handle it so much better than the other companies.

 

 

 

And to be brutally honest, I see no noticeable differance between xbox360 and xbox1 graphics at all.

Perhaps not yet, but at the end of the Xbox 1 and PS4 lifecycle, you're going to easily be able to compare them to games from the end of this lifecycle. You can even see it right now comparing any 360 or PS4 game at all to Killzone on the PS4. That game looks stunning.

[Envy 5,998]

Yes, console wars are stupid.

 

I don't understand why everyone can't just let others be. You (not the TC, you know what I mean) can buy each new COD 'rehash', while I'll buy each new Pokemon 'rehash'. Who cares what someone else finds fun?

[Light Diamond 950]

The rehashed stuff i could see is Pokemon. The formula is almost the same as all the other previous games, it's not a bad thing, i love Pokemon but there have been 3 Pokemon games released in the last 3 years.

 

A lot of other games are guilty of this like Assassin's Creed, Call Of Duty and various sports games.

[Justin_Case001 4,855]

All games and all consoles (and PC) are wonderful.  Let us set aside our differences and have gaming harmony.