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[~Chaotic Discord~]

Deep in potential and ergo power strength and intelligence, but lacking in the experience and honing areas. Which is why Celestia took her herself, knowing she would be the best teacher for someone with that much potential.

[SBaby]

Deep in potential and ergo power strength and intelligence, but lacking in the experience and honing areas. Which is why Celestia took her herself, knowing she would be the best teacher for someone with that much potential.

Yeah, she's essentially Harry potter, only more powerful (presumably because of who is teaching her).

Edited by SBaby, 08 May 2012 - 06:49 PM.

[Twilight Yagami]

She's definetaly the most powerful unicorn pony in the show although I don't think she is more powerful than Celestia or Luna by herself. Remember in the episode "lesson zero." Celestia cancelled out Twilight's massive love spell in one fell swoop and plus Celestia and Luna have the power to move the sun and the moon-not exactly an easy feat. I don't know where she stands against stallions (particularly her brother) her power may be equal to his or even surpass it. One thing's for sure though, she stands above all other female unicorns. Now if she continues to study and hone her skills she may grow to rival the alicorn sisters; shouldn't be problem so long as it doesn't go to her head.

[King Otrepony]

I beleive that twilight sparkle is more powerful than celestia because as it was said before, she is 20-25 and half as powerful as Celestia who is 1000+!

[NASCARFAN <3 Twi]

In knowledge, and magic. She is very, very powerful indeed, in many aspects. She's had much, much experience in her life, her cutie make is even about magic, and not to mention that her very friendship is also power for her magic, and I think vice versa.

I think she maybe even more powerful than Celestia at this point. She is still very young, ergo she has a lot of potential left in her.

[Vinylography]

I'm of the opinion she's currently the third most powerful pony in the show (after Celestia and Luna). Celestia was surprised by her raw ability when she did her entrance exam* and we've see her perform a surprising number of magical effects. She could possibly be as powerful as Luna (or NMM) if she could get over her neuroses and self doubt. And obviously get more practice and experience.

I quite like the fan theory that Celestia has spotted Twi's potential to become a new NMM, and instigated the Friendship project to keep her from going over to the dark side.

*=An even funnier fan theory I've read suggests the dragon egg test is a Kobyashi Maru designed to test a students response to an impossbile task, and that actually hatching the egg wasn't expected. Not sure I buy it, but its amusing.

I think you need to think about Celestia's age.
She probably had a a buck loads of other subjects who could of had.

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And Celestia had time for her magic and experience to grow.
Unlike Twilight ho probably isn't going to last as far.

[WingedRatchet]

Time to re-inject my thought process, as it seems we are still arguing invalid points.... Epic Paragraph is rendering. Please wait... While waiting, please rewatch Season 1 Episode 6 "Boast Busters"

[Pandy_C]

I think you need to think about Celestia's age.
She probably had a a buck loads of other subjects who could of had.

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And Celestia had time for her magic and experience to grow.
Unlike Twilight ho probably isn't going to last as far.

I'm not entirely sure of the point you're making here. Could you spell it out a bit plainer please?

[duhgentee]

I'm not entirely sure of the point you're making here. Could you spell it out a bit plainer please?

I think he meant that Celestia might have had subjects similar to Twilight, and that Celestia is only that good because she had so much time to practice.

[WingedRatchet]

So from what we CAN confirm, again we KNOW this is true and this CAN be confirmed, Twilight Sparkles special talent IS Magic. She even goes on to explain that all unicorns are especially good at whatever their talent is. But If their talent happens to be Magic, much like twilight, we have a scenario in which the unicorn could have a nearly unrivaled power.

Furthermore, backstories Indicate that the Elements of Harmony are not simply "wielded". Like wands in the Harry Potter series, the elements choose their wielders. For what we can assume was a long while while the Two Sisters ruled Equestria, they wielded their power. We know for a fact that they both were required to use them, as that was established in the Discord event when both sisters used the elements to turn him to stone. However, the elements in this sense still only seem to be a weak amplification, as it requires a medium of power, and complete unification of the wielders. The Elements seem to represent a "Friendship" type Magic. I may refer to this later. The other being Love as a Magic. I think that they seem to behave as AC and DC currents, where Friendship acts as a DC and Love, a more recent revelation to us from the pony world, being the stronger AC current.

Love is what allowed Chrysalis to get her power. The ONLY way she was able to overthrow Celestia was by utilizing this power. Love also was what allowed Shining Armor to cast out Chrysalis and her swarms, which seems creates a contradiction, a contradiction easily corrected by a statement made by Twi in "Boast Busters" That being that Unicorns are highly skilled at their tallent. assuming that Shining Amor's special talent is force fields, this would make the field more powerful with Love as an amplifier compared to chrysalis who, not being a part of the pony species, does not have a special talent power.

Since you people seem to love equations Ill do it this way :
(* wil be used rather than + because we are seing an amplification, not an addition of power)

Anypony * Elements is not > Celestia + Luna (given elements have not chosen said pony[s])

Celestia=Luna
Celestia * Elements > Luna (kind of a no brainer there)
(Celestia + Luna) * Elements > Discord

Celestia < Chrysalis*love
Chrysalis < Shining Armor*Love
Chrysalis < Anyponies talent*love
Celestia > Chrysalis

Twilight > anypony with specific special talent
(Twilight + Friends) * Elements > NMM
By transitive property, we can assume:

(Twilight + Friends) * Elements > Luna
Luna = Celestia, therefore

(Twilight + Friends) * Elements > Celestia

Im at a loss here:

(Twilight + Friends) * Elements _ Celestia + Luna
Im thinking we have either a stalemate or the sisters would win, however this is the more interesting of it all:

Twilight*love > Chrysalis
(Twilight + Friends) * Elements > Chrysalis
[(Twilight + Friends) * Elements]*love ... Dear mother of mercy.... Equestria will be bucked

[Pandy_C]

I think he meant that Celestia might have had subjects similar to Twilight, and that Celestia is only that good because she had so much time to practice.

Maybe. But you have to be pretty good to impress a God Queen Princess. And we know Celestia was able to teleport another pony to the moon over one thousand years ago I'm not sure practice is an issue.

[zHiddenz]

Um.. Oh.. I guess her power is up to the writers .

Edited by zHiddenz, 10 May 2012 - 05:00 AM.

[WingedRatchet]

Maybe. But you have to be pretty good to impress a God Queen Princess. And we know Celestia was able to teleport another pony to the moon over one thousand years ago I'm not sure practice is an issue.

But she used the elements to do that aswell

[RealLifeSpike]

She Actually Beat An Ursa Minor, Who Knows Just WHAT She's Capable Of?

Edited by RealLifeSpike, 11 May 2012 - 08:50 AM.

[SBB64]

Powerful enough to be used like a machine gun...

[hironakamura]

To me, Twilight's not that special. There have been unicorns as talented or even more talented than her before. An example is Star Swirl the Bearded who was so talented he invented spells for future unicorn generations to learn from. There might even be more unicorn spell casters yet to be mentioned that are even more powerful than Star Swirl himself.

Twilight has only been copying spells, she hasn't made her own yet with the possible exception of the teleport spell that I think is her default. Even Rarity herself has used spells that Twilight hasn't like illusion spells in Suited for Success.

The thing is we haven't really met that many unicorns and if Twilight can learn spells from scrolls and books Star Swirl wrote then that means given enough practice and time, any competent unicorn can learn and do the spells like Twilight. However, normally, a unicorn only tries to spend time learning spells that makes their talent or occupation easier. Learning things they'll never use can be a waste of time.

Edited by hironakamura, 11 May 2012 - 09:32 AM.

[Twily]

She was taught by the ruler of Equestria.

And she's the Element of Magic. She was destined to be good at magic, I guess *shrug*

[Evilshy]

To me, Twilight's not that special. There have been unicorns as talented or even more talented than her before. An example is Star Swirl the Bearded who was so talented he invented spells for future unicorn generations to learn from. There might even be more unicorn spell casters yet to be mentioned that are even more powerful than Star Swirl himself.

You must remember that she's still quite young, and still a student. It makes sense that she's still just learning.

Twilight has only been copying spells, she hasn't made her own yet with the possible exception of the teleport spell that I think is her default. Even Rarity herself has used spells that Twilight hasn't like illusion spells in Suited for Success.

Just because somebody else used a spell that Twi hasn't doesn't mean she can't use the spell. Also, Rarity's special talent is making things fabulous, and illusions could fall under that.

The thing is we haven't really met that many unicorns and if Twilight can learn spells from scrolls and books Star Swirl wrote then that means given enough practice and time, any competent unicorn can learn and do the spells like Twilight. However, normally, a unicorn only tries to spend time learning spells that makes their talent or occupation easier. Learning things they'll never use can be a waste of time.

In Boast Busters, Twi said that most unicorns only have a few spells that relate to their special talents. All unicorns seem to have levitation and simple things like that, but other than that, they don't know much else. Take Rarity, for example; we've only really seen her use two spells, the gem finder and the illusions.
Also, in Boast Buster, Spike talked about how impressive and odd it was that Twi could use so many different spells, and she said that the reason she could use so many spells was probably because her talent is magic itself.

[BlackWater]

Well I can't say exactly how powerful she is at this point, but I do recall how much she did via magic in her entrance exam. If that was raw power when she was still so young, then I imagine she is far more powerful than she seems. Maybe more powerful than Celestia, but I don't know the extent of Celestia's power either.

[Derpy Mooves (Proc)]

Twilight has unlimited potential, therefore her power doesn't have a level. Twilight keeps reading, keeps learning. She will always be improving and learning new spells. Now I wouldn't say she is the most strongest pony magic wise because there are some stuff she can't do. Which is reasonable judging her age. With time she most likely will be the most magically gifted pony.