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Clopping: Ethical behavior or no?


~Lawful Jordo~

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blog-0545067001355426917.jpgWelcome back to my blog where I talk about... Whatever I feel like. Today, I talk about the big one. As fellow Bronies, we have all probably talked about this in the past, or at least looked on in either curiosity or disgust. It is the biggest thing our fandom is criticized for. I am referring to of course; 'Clop', or 'Clopping'.

 

For the few of you who may not know what that is, 'Clopping' is when someone pleasures him/herself to explicit art of characters from My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. As the subject of this entry implies, I will be dealing with sexual themes below. If that isn't really your cup of tea, then yeah... You probably shouldn't continue to read this. Also, to any readers out there who happen to partake in 'Clop', don't worry; This isn't a mindless hate rant.

 

 

You still here? Alright, time to get down to business. So before I get started, I have to go on record and say I am not a Clopper myself. This is just a serious breakdown of Clopping, and what we should consider acceptable behavior. Where do we draw the line on what is ethical behavior or not?

 

 

Many onlookers outside the fandom, and even some from inside our fandom tend to view 'Clopping' as an unnatural act, or at the very least a strange one. While it is indeed out of the ordinary, does that really make it a bad thing?

 

 

The most common complaint I've personally heard on the issue is when people compare 'Clop' porn to bestiality. Can we really claim that they are the same thing? Characters from MLP quite obviously resemble earthly equines, but is it really all that similar?

 

 

Personally, I don't think so. Unlike real world horses, the ponies of Equestria are sapient beings. They are capable of reason and problem solving, as well as having morality. They have personalities, are capable of communication through language, and even have a full society capable of sustaining itself. Bestiality by it's definition is sexual interaction with an animal, but can something capable of human level intelligence truly be called an animal? I don't think so, and I think it is quite arrogant of us as humans to think otherwise. Calling anything capable of real intelligence an animal is basically dismissing them as inferior, and that is ignorant. Yes, I realize I am talking about cartoon characters, but my argument still holds up in that respect. My point is, Clopping is not the same as Bestiality. I have yet to meet a Clopper who wants to run out into a field and screw a horse.

 

 

Now, time to address the 'unnatural' part. Is it unnatural to pleasure yourself to a cartoon? While it is no doubt an out of the ordinary fetish, it's not all that unnatural.

 

 

To quote from the book 'How the Mind Works' by Steven Pinker;

 

"Another part of the sexual male mind is the ability to be easily aroused by a possible sex partner; Indeed the faintest hint at a possible sex partner. Zoologists have found that males of many species will court an enormous range of objects having a vague resemblance of the female; Other males, even females of the wrong species. The Human male is aroused by the sight of a nude woman, not only in the flesh but in movies, photographs, drawings, post cards or dolls. He takes pleasure in this mistaken identity."

 

By the way, for those of you who don't know, Steven Pinker is a professor of psychology and the director of the center for Cognitive neuroscience at the Massachusetts institute of technology. The guy knows what he's talking about.

 

 

His words basically debunk the notion of 'Clop' (Or even cartoon porn in general) being unnatural. Personality may also feed my point. Most of the characters on MLP are females capable of rational thinking. They have their own personalities, and some may find themselves attracted to these particular personalities. I do not believe attraction to MLP characters to be purely a physical attraction. People who are attracted to these characters see elements of humanity in them; elements of humanity that they happen to find appealing.

 

 

In this regard, I find it insultingly offensive for people to judge others for clopping. Human beings simply cannot choose who/what they are attracted to. It is hardwired into our biological coding. Shunning people for being attracted to 'Clop' material in my eyes is no different from Shunning gays.

Outcasting others for what they cannot control is idiotic, and frankly barbaric.

 

 

'Okay Jordo, I get it. It's perfectly natural for human beings to be attracted to different things. Still, couldn't Clop be harmful?'

 

 

Maybe, it depends on how you look at it. While the act of Clopping is, for the most part, harmless to the Clopper him/herself in a physical sense, it could have a negative effect on others.

 

As Bronies, we must realize we are watching a children's show. While there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, we may be accidentally exposing the children to this 'Clop' material.

 

Now before you fly off the handle, no; I am not going to spew 'Think of the children' moral bullshit.

 

It is something we as adults have to consider however. I know that the same argument could be made for regular porn, that if the children were to see it we would be killing innocence. There is a difference. Regular porn is not as accessible to children; for the most part you have to make a sincere effort to find porn on the internet. Unless, you know, you get unlucky.

 

Clop material on the other hand, is very easy for children to stumble on. All it really takes is one bad Google search MLP related. I've done this myself actually; I would be innocently searching something MLP related then WHAM!..... Porn. (Before someone points it out, yes my safe search is always on HIGH)

 

 

In the end however, we have to realize where we are. This is the internet, and the internet is a very nasty place. NSFW (Not safe for work) will always thrive on the internet, regardless if cloppers existed or not, so pinning the blame on them is simply not fair.

 

Personally If I had my way, children would just stay off the internet. I view it a lot like if you let your child browse various bathroom graffiti. They are eventually going to stumble on something they shouldn't have.

 

 

 

 

One more thing you all may have noticed, I'm not referring to Clop material as 'Rule 34' for a reason. If I did that, it would imply that My Little Pony is the only form of Rule 34 when that simply isn't true. Rule 34 exists in practically every fandom in existence. By it's very definition Rule 34 states: If it exists, there is a porn of it. It would be unfair to pin all of the bad rap on My little Pony.

 

 

 

In the end, I find nothing wrong with Clop myself. It's only natural for human beings to be attracted to different things, and to judge a person on that is moronic.

 

 

~This has been Eljordo,

 

Till next time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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TL;DR Version: There is nothing wrong with Clop. Leave the poor Cloppers alone.

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*golf clap*

pretty much yeah, r34 exists, deal with it, i always find it funny how we have bronies moaning about people hating on them for being different, only for them to start hating on other.

to people who don't like cloppers

I'm one, do you think of me any differently? 

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"Regular porn is not as accessible to children; for the most part you have to make a sincere effort to find porn on the internet."

 


 

It's just as easy to stumble upon "regular" porn as it is to stumble across drawn stuff...Just saiyan.

 

Also why the Safesearch function on Google exists :/

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you have a good point, I am no clopper myself, but I´ve met a few, and I can tell you the same I told them: It is okay for me, I can understand it (or I imagine I can), it is a part of our fandom, so i respect it,  and noone deserves to be hated for doing it... same time a clopper should have enough insight not to insist on showing other (bronies or not) their clop-fiction (is that the word) if they once made their point that they don´t like it... just as a symbol of respect/ politeness

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Wow, I read the entire thing on a phone, in class and took class notes at the same time, yeah I'm good!

 

Any way this was well written and I agree with you completely

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"Regular porn is not as accessible to children; for the most part you have to make a sincere effort to find porn on the internet."

 


 

It's just as easy to stumble upon "regular" porn as it is to stumble across drawn stuff...Just saiyan.

 

Also why the Safesearch function on Google exists :/

 

There is a difference. Look at the target audience; Little girls. Imagine yourself as a little girl who loves MLP, you head to Google and search up your favorite character. You have now entered a minefield. 

 

My safe search remains on high, and I still run into Rule 34 through relativity innocent MLP searches.

 

 

 

 

 

you have a good point, I am no clopper myself, but I´ve met a few, and I can tell you the same I told them: It is okay for me, I can understand it (or I imagine I can), it is a part of our fandom, so i respect it,  and noone deserves to be hated for doing it... same time a clopper should have enough insight not to insist on showing other (bronies or not) their clop-fiction (is that the word) if they once made their point that they don´t like it... just as a symbol of respect/ politeness

 

 

Well yeah, that's just proper etiquette. If someone is not fond of something, it's generally rude to shove it in their faces.

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I have nothing against clop, I just despise all pornographic material in general to be disgusting and evil.

 

Also I am NOT saying that people who do a deed to said content are disgusting and evil.

 

 

I simply think it is wong, but I dont judge.

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I have nothing against clop, I just despise all pornographic material in general to be disgusting and evil.

 

Also I am NOT saying that people who do a deed to said content are disgusting and evil.

 

 

I simply think it is wong, but I dont judge.

 

And nobody is taking that away from you. If you don't like pornography, that is your right.

 

It's when people try and force their own morals on others where things go sideways.

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There is a difference. Look at the target audience; Little girls. Imagine yourself as a little girl who loves MLP, you head to Google and search up your favorite character. You have now entered a minefield. 

 

My safe search remains on high, and I still run into Rule 34 through relativity innocent MLP searches.

 

There is the problem. Parents who let their children use the internet without supervision.

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There is the problem. Parents who let their children use the internet without supervision.

And I agree with you. I believe that parents need to watch over what their kids are doing, especially with things like the Internet.

 

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That's it? Just no? Don't want to let us know why you have said point of view? Alright then...

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This is my opinion on clopping: If you find a white unicorn filly sexually attractive... then you need help. If you feel the need to make porn of her, and then fill the f*cking internet with your twisted sick art work... then you need more than help.

 

But then again, everyone needs help in some way.

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There is the problem. Parents who let their children use the internet without supervision.

 

Then that's a failure of parenting, not a failure of the fandom or google.

 

Anyway, I only find humanized MLP R34 to be cloppable. Yeah, you can have sexy ponies, but it isn't all that arousing, like some of the more humanized stuff is.

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I don't approve of it (in 100% pony form). Considering that this show was made for girls to show them that no, you don't have to be concerned with your appearance to the guys (among other things) I just kind of find it ironic in an offensive way.

 

I'm sorry if I sound feminist or anti-clop, but sometimes you just need to say how you feel.

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Why do we even have to talk about cloppers? There's just as many people who fap to other R34 material from any other fandom or show. All it does is end in argument, anyway.

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I don't approve of it (in 100% pony form). Considering that this show was made for girls to show them that no, you don't have to be concerned with your appearance to the guys (among other things) I just kind of find it ironic in an offensive way.

 

I'm sorry if I sound feminist or anti-clop, but sometimes you just need to say how you feel.

 

That doesn't really make sense. There aren't enough males or romance in the series to make guys caring about appearance a theme. In fact, the closest thing we have to that is Spike going after Rarity, and Spike frequently comments on her appearance, while she cares about her appearance all the time :/

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Agreement to all of this I give.

 

The internet can be a "dangerous" place and in my opinion should be kept away from children. It's like the controversy about tv. So many parents complaining that shows like Family Guy were terribly influencing children. In my opinion it should be upon the parents to moderate what they watch and take more of an interest in their child then to take the easy route and place the blame on the tv station or show writers.

 

This can be applied to the internet too. If parents took more of an interest in what their children were doing and moderated them, we wouldn't have this problem or at least the problem would be much less frequent.

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Why do we even have to talk about cloppers? There's just as many people who fap to other R34 material from any other fandom or show. All it does is end in argument, anyway.

Well it's obviously something that outsiders (and some in our own fandom) who don't understand it, or find it strange. It is something that exists in our fandom, and I personally think it won't do anyone any good if we just ignore it

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This is my opinion on clopping: If you find a white unicorn filly sexually attractive... then you need help. If you feel the need to make porn of her, and then fill the f*cking internet with your twisted sick art work... then you need more than help.

 

But then again, everyone needs help in some way.

This may be the most narrow-minded and insensitive thing I've heard all month. Way to go, you prejudiced ___. (I'll let you fill in the blank)

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This is my opinion on clopping: If you find a white unicorn filly sexually attractive... then you need help. If you feel the need to make porn of her, and then fill the f*cking internet with your twisted sick art work... then you need more than help.

 

But then again, everyone needs help in some way.

 

I have to stress this again; Human beings cannot choose what they are attracted to. This is not my opinion, this is biological FACT

 

It really isn't fair to say these people need help just because you aren't attracted to the same thing. There is no difference between saying cloppers need help and saying Homosexuals need help.

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That's it? Just no? Don't want to let us know why you have said point of view? Alright then...

 

Well if you want the full story...

 

I expect human beings to hold themselves to a higher moral caliber than to chase after everything that they're physically attracted to

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I have to stress this again; Human beings cannot choose what they are attracted to. This is not my opinion, this is biological FACT

 

It really isn't fair to say these people need help just because you aren't attracted to the same thing. There is no difference between saying cloppers need help and saying Homosexuals need help.

I should rephrase that: If you actively search out porn of a white unicorn filly because you can't control your sexual attraction to her, then you need help.

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I love how this broke down everything about clopping and cloppers. Its well written and the author doesnt have a bias for anyside of the argument, but I cant say the same for others. I feel that it is entirely hypocritical to be a brony and say "Love and Tolerance" if you are hating on a part of the community because of their interests and what they do. One quote that I come across alot is,"cloppers are a disgrace to the community" I find that to be more of a disgrace. How can such a loving community have members that hate one another? I am a clopper myself but I dont throw it in peoples faces and brag about it, I love mlp and everything about the community but because I'm a clopper I am hated by some of the people I have become great friends with because of it. In my opinion, if your truly a brony than you shouldn't hate on others because of who they are and what they do. I hope some anti cloppers that hate cloppers can remember the great quote,"Love and Tolerance"

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