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Re: "The Top Ten Worst Brony Youtubers"


Night Shine

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Hello! I just watched a video wherein I disagreed with literally everything the guy said:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o36wk8QtHVw

 

I will now present a series of arguments in the form of letters addressed to the guy who made the video, Jabmorenowned, defending the content creators that he attacked from three different philosophical viewpoints (you will probably find one of these much more agreeable than the others):

 

1) Empiricist: Truth is objective and values are subjective

2) Subjectivist: Everything is subjective

3) Platonist: Truth is subjective and values are objective

 

 

1. The Empiricist Defense

 

 

 

 

THE EMPIRICIST DEFENSE

10) This video itself is a "top 10" list regarding a bunch of popular brony users. If that is the only reason that people came to watch this video, your argument against JHaller is nullified on the grounds of blatant hypocrisy.

9) If musicians—or any artists, really—are inspired by a certain thing, they will oftentimes create art in response to or appreciation of whatever thing this is. By saying that AcousticBrony “slapped a pony image onto his content”, you are ignoring the very nature of art. Also, you addressed AcousticBrony as one person when the name refers to two. Argument nullified on the grounds of ignorance.

8) I found no definite logical grounds to argue with you. Next point.

7) For the majority of these content creators, you argue that they are the “worst” because they have a noticeable lack of talent. You skirt around this point with LittleshyFiM by not only affirming his talent before stating your criticism, but also by saying that you do not like his content instead of stating that his content is objectively bad. You used a subjective argument, “I don’t like it”, to prove an objective point, “worst”. Technically that fallacy could be applied to almost all of your arguments, but that would be ignoring the other fallacies you utilized.

6) No definite logical grounds.

5) An expansion on the subjective-objective fallacy: During the video, you state that the ponification of originally non-pony-related ideas as fully objectively bad, under the subjective argument that it is…wait, did you even state why, or did you simply expect everyone to agree with you? I think the best reason you state that this is objectively bad is that it is “annoying”.

4) Despite that BronyDanceParty used the PonyCreator as a way to start up in animating, he worked hard to animate those models—and you even said that he stopped using these as models when he no longer needed to!—and besides, all of his animations are original content that he worked hard to make, which nullifies your two primary arguments, that these content creators are either lazy or unoriginal. You did not state in your argument that BronyDanceParty was unoriginal, so your only standing argument is laziness. Grounds for argument that a content creator is lazy would extend to their content creation process being not difficult at all. In that case, go make me an animation with PonyCreator, sir, and if it is not as high-quality as BronyDanceParty’s first animation, then I will continue to reject your argument. You also state that he “cheated”, implying that there are objective “rules” for how and how not to become popular that everyone can agree upon, when in reality there are no such rules. If you were to flesh that out into a solid argument, then you would need to at the very least define those rules as you see them. Argument nullified by the fact that your only logical basis for argument is one minor aspect of BronyDanceParty’s process of creating difficult-to-make original content (that he uses PonyCreaor).

3) I found no definite logical grounds to argue, although I will say that your statement “I remember when we were friends on Newgrounds…THEN, you made the video screaming the MLP Intro and you were the new one-hit wonder” implies that you ceased to be friends with him based solely on jealousy at his popularity. Wow.

2) First of all, the statement “TRUST ME NO ONE CARES” is false, pure and simple. Second, I will once again bring up the subjective-objective fallacy in your argument against content creators stating that their content is objectively bad based solely on your subjective argument against ponification. Third, you stated that he “FORCES HIMSELF to make as many __ Reacts To or __ In A Nutshell videos as possible”…which implies that you have based your argument in the foolish assumption that he also does not like the content he creates and is in it simply for the popularity. These three grounds nullify this argument. Actually, I think that third point applies to most of your arguments—you ignore the prospect that these people are creating content simply because they like to, and assume that they are doing it only for the popularity. All of your argument are therefore nullified because Envy is a subjective property and not an objective fact that decries anyone as “worst”.

1) Instead of at least attempting to present a logical argument like with the other ones, you simply display a part of his content and arrogantly assume that everyone will agree with your opinion. In this case you are basing your argument solely on the concept that everyone should agree with your opinion without fleshing out any logical arguments to support it. Also, you ignored that Jack T. Herbert is first and foremost a musician, which destroys both of your assumed arguments which you based this video upon: “If this content creator is lazy, they are bad” and “If this content creator is unoriginal, they are bad”. Argument nullified based off of ignorance. It is, of course, ironic that these are the grounds for all of your arguments, given that this video is itself not difficult to create—it would be easy to accuse you of laziness and using this video to get popular.

 

Video nullified based off of

  1. Hypocrisy
  2. Ignorance
  3. Subjective-Objective Fallacy (assuming one’s opinion regarding what is enjoyable to be wholly correct)
  4. Presenting emotions as a logical basis for objectively condemning others
  5. Assuming that others will agree with you

 

2. The Subjectivist Defense

 

 

 

 

 

THE SUBJECTIVIST DEFENSE

So basically, you are telling me what I should and shouldn’t like, based on your own opinion. Y'know, the last time somebody tried to shove their opinion down my throat about my love of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic and its fan creations, I told them a simple and commonly-used expression, which I will now repeat to you:

 

Screw you, I do what I want.

 

If I want to like somebody's content even though you think it sucks, then that's your problem, not mine. If I want to subscribe to someone who you think doesn't deserve it--sucks for you! Honestly, other people are not going to like the exact same things you do. That's called "everyone has their own opinion".

 

Deal with it.

 

 

3. The Platonist Defense

 

 

 

 

 

THE PLATONIST DEFENSE

Why would you even make a video like this? There’s a reason that you’re the first person to do it, you know. People love to make Top 10 lists of Brony Youtubers because they like to celebrate what they love, and vice versa—they have not yet made a Bottom 10 list because they do not enjoy actively hating on things that they don’t love.

This video is basically just a fifteen-minute rant where you call these content creators, these people, terrible because you just so happen not to like their content. If you don’t like their content, fine. Just give it a freaking dislike and move on. You don’t need to attack them just because they like to make certain kinds of videos.

This fandom—this community—is centered around celebration and appreciation of something that we all love. We all express that love differently. Some of us make fan music, some make fan art, some make fan fiction, and some make fan videos. But we’re all doing it for the same reason: to express our love for this show and the community of friends who love it together. Some people become “popular”, yeah, and that’s just because some people enjoy their form of expressing appreciation for the show. There is nothing wrong with that! This isn’t a machine that automatically gives people popularity in response to the “quality” of what they create. This is a community of friends that express appreciation together, and if a lot of people think one person’s method of expressing appreciation is really cool, they will like it and you can’t stop them.

You said that a lot of these people are the “kinds of bronies you dislike”. Well, sir, allow me to explain why you are the kind of brony I dislike. Why would you attack someone just because a lot of people like their content? Why do you have to inject your jealousy and hatred into the middle of our celebration of what we like? Our community is based on friendship and celebration, but for some reason I cannot fathom, people like you have to start firing shots at other people within the community.

Sir, I want to be friends with you and with every other brony. I do not want to have to say anything cruel to you…but if you are going to take out your jealousy on the creators of popular content instead of realizing that the jealousy is your problem and you have to deal with it, then I will defend those who have done nothing wrong except for be liked against those who are cruel simply because no one else is.

Your opinion on what kind of content is “good” is not greater than the opinions of everyone else, which is what you are implying. You are arguing that the opinions of everyone who appreciates and celebrates the content these people create are all wrong. You are one person condemning the opinions of tens of thousands, who are simply trying to enjoy what they find enjoyable. I am sorry for being so mean, but frankly sir, I am defending the optimism of millions against the pessimism of one.

 

 

 

 

...do you think that any of these was legitimately convincing? Also, should I include a defense from the only other viewpoint (Objectivist)?

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