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You know, I find it almost comical how ridiculously powerful the writers keep making Superman. It's like they're trying to prove something and who knows what that is.

YEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRT!!!!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rft94vTMA_Q

That.......isn't what I'm arguing. I've even said multiple times right from the start that Prime and 1 million would obliterate Goku (and now apparently nu52 can as well after his collapsing a black hole feat), so I don't know what you're debating me for. My point here is that their reasoning is stupid. All the feats that any of Superman's incarnations have demonstrated are measurable and have been so. None of them scale up to Omniverse level, so there's obviously a certain limit that he's reached. Whether or not he'll reach new limits in the future is to be seen, but making an even stronger version than that just for kicks based on the hype that Supes can be as powerful as he (or rather his writers) wants is a logical fallacy in these types of arguments. Let me emphasize this simply. I'm not against Superman winning. I'm against SA's logic. I hope that was clear this time. Let me put this in a way that DC fanboys will (hopefully) understand. Goku is known for always breaking limits. No matter what that limit is, he's always broken it. From that perspective, there's no knowing just how powerful Goku can become because he's always getting stronger. Does that sound similar to someone we know? He's demonstrated feats that go only to a certain point, but if we play with the fact that Goku can (and likely will) get stronger than what has been shown, what's wrong with having a Goku that reached his absolute max potential fight against Superman? We know that he hasn't reached his utmost potential because said potential keeps growing. So how is it ok to limit him on his established showings while making Superman stronger than his current showings would suggest? First off, SA had no reason to do so. Superman's Prime and 1 million incarnations are already stronger with their showings compared to Goku. Secondly, using the logic that Superman hasn't reached his utmost potential means the same has to be applied to Goku. SA is imagining a version of Superman that has reached his absolute max potential but limiting Goku to his current showings rather than using a version of Goku that has his max potential after said potential has stopped growing to its fullest. That's the kind of sh*t logic SA used.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VN6Yzv-iCw

Nope.

100% best isn't the same as hypothesizing where he would be based on hype. The fact that his power is limitless is the hype surrounding him. The "no limit" argument is a fallacy for a reason. The fact is, while his power is theoretically limitless, none of his feats barring a few outliers have ever been omniversal+. Not even SA's Superman's feats could be considered such. Realistically, Superman tanking Goku's Kamehameha should put him solidly in the galaxy level+ or possibly universal level durability, and that's just one example. If SA was actually using 100% Superman, first off they'd use only one incarnation rather than what can effectively be described as a fan-made version of Supes with all the feats attributed to every last incarnation of Supes that ever existed (possibly including pre-crisis), and then they'd only use feats that have been shown in the comics attributable solely to that incarnation they decide to use rather than hypothesize what he can do for themselves based on hype. They almost never do that in any of their other matches. Supes cannot be an exception.

I don't think so.

Not really. We can narrow down observable planets to those within habitable zones of certain star systems, plenty of which have already been found. That makes finding life, even intelligent life, hundreds if not thousands of times easier. The issue is then developing a telescope powerful enough to actually be able to see what's going on on the surface, especially one that takes consideration of how far light has to travel. What I mean by that is say for instance that aliens tried to observe Earth with a telescope. They'd likely end up seeing dinosaurs due to the distance light has to travel from here to their planet. That being said, if we do manage to identify primitive life on those planets, chances are that there could be intelligent life now. Physically getting there would be an even bigger problem, but considering how sci-fi technology has lately developed a trend of becoming real......

Inb4 there's a thriving tardigrade population on Pluto.

Within 50 years to landing on the moon, our satellites have reached Pluto. That's progress at break-neck speed. We may find life out there sooner than you'd think.

Just when did the CMC learn the Kage Bunshin no Jutsu????

Numerous planets found within the habitable zone of a sun-like star's orbit have already been identified by NASA, and there's a good chance there's plenty more out there. At least one of them has to have life in some shape or form. As the OP said, considering just how immeasurably vast the universe is with however many galaxies there are, I find it nearly impossible that we're literally the only intelligent life in the universe. I also wouldn't be surprised if whatever other intelligent life there is doesn't even consider us intelligent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h79QpRJciE8

At any rate, that feat you decribed still wouldn't have been applicable since Goku is far stronger than Hulk. I wasn't so much disappointed with how short the fight was than with how SA made it look so easy for Supes. Considering they used an amalgamation of DCAU, new 52, Prime AND 1 million rather than just one of those incarnations (they are all very different from each other, something SA ignores either deliberately or because they're stupid, perhaps both considering they even say each new incarnation of Supes is different from the last iirc), Supes should have won because Prime and 1 million are certainly superior to Goku. SA is right in saying that Supes's power is theoretically limitless, but none of his incarnations ever actually reached that stage of limitlessness. Feats such as lifting the book of infinite pages are outliers and really shouldn't have been considered. Not to mention that feat suggests SA ignores the difference between lifting and striking strength. Taking that into account, Supes blitzing through the super Kamehameha was utter BS. Him taking it isn't unrealistic, but consider this. The battle itself is highly inconsistent. Supes says early in the fight that he "felt" Goku's punches, implying they did something to him. Am I supposed to think Goku's basic attacks are stronger than his strongest technique (barring the spirit bomb)? So even within the context of the fight itself, Supes shouldn't have tanked the Kamehameha the way he did. Unless they actually did use pre-crisis feats like the one you mentioned, which really wouldn't surprise me.

Isn't that panel pre-crisis? At least SA didn't use any feats attributed to pre-crisis.

@, stop changing avatars so fast xDDDD Look at this guitar. It's the most awesome guitar in the world. And I'm gonna kick your @$$ with it.

NINJA'D? HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?

There's awesome. And there's dating two Kuma girls awesome. Get on my level!

Two head injuries I received are currently tied for worst I've ever gotten. The first happened when I was in elementary school and a kid shoved my down a small crevice on the pavement. Being a low building, there were windows with a slight protruding edge below them, and my head hit the corner directly. That earned me three stitches whose scars can still be seen today 24-25 years later (I'm now 28). The other was playing space-monkey (holding your breath and pushing oxygen into your head as much as possible). I literally knocked myself out for a few seconds and woke up on the floor. Thankfully, I was with friends so help came around quite quickly. I was hospitalized for a night and earned two stitches on my hairline. This is much more recent as I was 14. I also have a slight cauliflower left ear which has been drained and treated professionally.

> Got a lot smarter > Still rely on no limit fallacy Asbel pls.

So I made a parody profile of SA's Superman on NF xD http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?p=54016912#post54016912 Hmm. Most of these would be interesting, but I have serious doubts about a few that I know of. Mystique vs Envy - Really? Envy has superb regen and superhuman stats. Mystique is at best peak human with the only thing making her special is her ability to transform and mimic other people. There's no way she's getting past Envy's true form without becoming paste. I can see why you thought of this, two people who can mimic anything they see, but Envy's powers go well beyond just mimicking. Zuko vs Roy - Both are peak human in terms of stats except for one thing (which I'll mention), but Zuko displays much better control over fire with his bending compared to Roy. Roy can shoot anything from large waves of fire to firebolts with pinpoint accuracy. However, Zuko is skillful enough to redirect any of that and he has at least hypersonic+ reaction timing as demonstrated during his confrontation with Ozai when he shot lightning at him. Zuko can also be scaled to Korra's feat of blocking an explosion in a split second. The timings of both feats were quite similar. Roy doesn't have that kind of reaction timing. Again, I see your reasoning behind this, tho I think if we're going to pit two fire type characters against each other, I'd rather see Zuko go up against Cinder (Killer Instinct) as it would be interesting to see how a firebender deals with a character purely made of fire. Speaking of avatar/FMA match ups, I'd be interested in seeing EoS Korra vs Father. Rock Lee vs Sanji - This might be somewhat interesting as both characters have similar speeds (Massively hypersonic+), except Lee is much stronger (both in terms of striking and lifting strength) and durable (town level vs multicity block level respectively).

> Refers to narutoforums and outskirts battledome > Still makes a hodgepodge version of Superman > Still uses the no limit fallacy Screwattack pls