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  1. The other thing I want to say is, I hope they do something with the other sisters instead of just Maud. She's a one-joke pony, and while it's a good joke, I can't help but think that it will become stale. I didn't think about the possibility before, but after watching Jessie Wood's most recent review, I have to agree- this plot could have been far more interesting if we saw a new character being played with rather than a character that we already know everything about. Like Limestone, or Marble. Why Maud? Because people like Maud.

     

    Idk. But the CMC episode was promising. So now 3 strikes for laziness and a strike taken back for a good episode. So now 2 strikes for laziness?

     

    We'll see more going forward.

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    What the hell? This fandom seems more notable than shows like Spongebob, yet that one has countless seasons, yet our show would only get seven?

    SpongeBob has no continuity, and the Status Quo is God. Nothing ever changes, characters never grow, and the show has no overarching plot. You can't have a really long show AND a worthwhile plot. if a show has a meaningful overarching story, then it can't go on forever. If you try to make it go on forever, characters will get flanderized, or become Mary Sues, you run out of ideas for big storylines, and overall seasonal rot sets in.

     

    The reason is that a show with a meaningful story must reach a meaningful resolution. If we watch something with a storyline, then we want a resolution. Keeping it going on without end, trying to delay and delay the resolution of the main plot can only go badly. SpongeBob, Family Guy, and the Simpsons can go on forever because their plots are contained with a given episode, and there is no real need for growth and development of the characters. Dr. Who and Star Trek go on forever because they constantly have full  refreshes of the cast. They don't add a character or two- they completely finish off a character(s) and then start with new ones.

     

    Those are the two ways to keep a show going. Have no continuity and no growth and no development OR completely replace the main cast every few years, starting a new story. Trying to keep a story going with the same characters forever just won't work.

  3. I didn't like it much, at least far less than all the other openings so far. I didn't like what they did with Flurry Heart, what with her being, as you mentioned in the OP, 'everything the doomsayers predicted'. The one thing that made this episode 'meh' rather than 'bad' was that Starlight is a likeable character. Yes, her arc was rushed but then her backstory was weak to begin with, and for what they had I think they've done a fair job with it...although I still want an explanation of her power.

    Still seems like they plan on trying to "get away with" the way her redemption went. And they will.

  4. @@snowflame, @@SaburoDaimando, @,

     

    From a story writing perspective, it's a little different. In real life, a person can have hundreds, thousands of personality traits. But writing a character that complex necessitates most of the focus be on that single character, and to be a more introspective style of writing. In a show that follows multiple characters, making them all deep enough to be interesting, but not some complicated that you can't follow them all, is a delicate balance.

     

    Particularly for a light-hearted, large cast, child oriented show as MLP is, you can't give them struggles as subtle as the conflict one might get following a show focused on one character. Even adults would find that much complexity overwhelming with a cast as large as this.

     

    In addition, it's important to remember that with a large cast, each one needs to have unique goals and flaws. Sure, you can write a story about, say, Rarity being arrogant with her success and her vision. But that story has been done with RD.

     

    The other thing is, there's a limit to what conflicts are believable for a given character. And even further, MAYBE there could be something besides Rarity expanding shops. And MAYBE you could write a sequence of stories about RD going further up in the Wonderbolts. But in an ensemble cast, such furthering of goals is really just grasping at straws. At a certain point, you can't do the subtleties of long-term goals for a given character.

     

    And with some characters, what do you see beyond the now? After Twilight has learned to be a good teacher, what's left? At that point, she will effectively be Celestia's successor. Become more than Celestia ever was? That's going to approach Mary Sueness.

     

    As for RD and Rarity, what do you see? Rarity is already expanding. If we start seeing her trying to become a multinational corporation, it just takes us way beyond the comfortable scale for MLP. RD going up the ranks- I suppose. But that's such an involved plot, there would need to be a lot more screen time given to her to achieve it.'

     

    New goals- I mean. What other goals do you have in mind? People don't have 500 dreams and achieve them all. That makes it less relatable,and less realistic. In real life, you pick a dream or two, and pursue them.

     

    I understand that people don't want MLP to end- but it won't. Too much money for it to die. But trust me, as somebody who knows about story writing- a given story needs an end. And some of the best shows ever, do end. They reach a conclusion- because that's what people want from a story. It's dull if it drags on forever. All good things must end.

     

    Anyways, that's my piece on the subject of character goals. I feel like the time of the current Mane 6 should end soon, and maybe start a new story with a new cast in the same world. That would probably be best for the health of MLP, and the fandom.

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  5. I will say the humor is on point, and I only cringed a couple of times. Pinkie Rarity is best Rarity lmao. But I was more stating the plot as an example in a string of meh storytelling decisions. By itself it was an okay episode.

     

    @@Wind Chaser, As for my comment about Flurry Heart- it's that she was used not once, but twice  as a lazy plot device.

  6. You're right, but the reason is because Twilight's character has just about reached the peak of its growth. She can't really develop any more than she has already, without becoming a Mary Sue. Same for some of the other characters. They're all achieving their goals, and reaching their cap of growth. Any focus on them is becoming very tricky without flanderizing their characters or making them too perfect.

     

    This is the reason seasonal rot occurs. As characters hit their respective story ends, the show runs out of material. And then new characters are stuffed in in an attempt to find new threads to pursue.

     

    The only characters that really still have room to grow are Fluttershy, whose goals are still unknown to us; Spike, who could use some help; RD, who has one more goal to obtain- and it's coming soon; and Pinkie Pie, whose goals are also unknown to us. AJ never had much room to grow from the start, Twily is in the same position Celestia was S1-3, Rarity now has multiple shops, and the CMC have their Cutie Marks.

     

    When character goals start being met for the main cast, the show is starting to run its course.

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  7. So, today's episode was a complete rip-off of Gift of the Magi. Despite good humor, I cringed every time I saw a cloned plot point from this classical tale of gift-giving. Aside from basically stealing a story and putting ponies in it, a completely predictable plot, and a moral that could be known verbatim without even finishing the episode, it seems like the third strike in a row that shows the beginnings of less involved storytelling in MLP:FIM.

     

    The other strikes were how Princess Poof was used in the season opener, and the redemption-forgiveness arc that lasted all of 5 minutes, and doesn't look like it's going to be given more screen time after the opener.

     

    What do you guys think? Does it seem like the writers are starting to get a bit lazy? Any other occasions that I missed? Or do you disagree with the qualms I had with Flurry Heart screeching a conflict into being, an unsatisfying redemption of a promising villain, and a carbon copy plot?

     

    Let me know below.

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  8. So I did not read the thread since it was so long and quite likely filler with too much negativity for my liking.

     

    Anyway I do not think that the baby was a problem. The episode was not quite perfect (as a season opener mostly, I expect best from them) but I still liked it. As long as the adress the alicorn issue in the future Flurry Heart is not an issue for me.

    yeah. As long as there's never an episode where the premise is "Oh noes, Sunburst's spell is wearing off" I'll be content in that department.

  9. I'm glad they nerfed it. So, the contrivance of the OP baby will only be contained to the opener. Spike was written very well, and Tia and Luna did something. Sunburst was interesting, and I kind of liked him. I was disappointed that the S5 finale is going to be the extent of Starlight's redemption. In all, there were goods and bads.

     

    Hopefully gong forward, Spike remains in this "assistant teacher" kind of role. And hopefully they don't do anything like "the spell is wearing off! princess alert!" for easy plots.

     

    I'm still nervous at the lack of the old writers tho.

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  10. So, the S6 opener was today. And you guys will have seen me skitzing out a bit in the weeks leading up to it, so here is a discussion thread for my thoughts, and everybody elses.

     

    Addressing the elephant in the room that is Princess Flurry Heart, her role in the opener was every bit as contrived and Poof-like as the doomsayers predicted. But, thankfully, they nerfed her with a spell, so going forward, it should be fine. No Poof. Good. Fingers crossed that they don't do something like "the spell is wearing off" for lazy stories going forward.

     

    Spike was written very well, and showed a bit of maturity, kind of being an assistant teacher to Starlight now- a turn that was unexpected but makes for a nice fresh of breath air. If Spike is written this well going forward, as somebody who learned from Twilight, and is now helping someone else learn as well, this could make for a good change.

     

    Speaking of Starlight, I was still left in wanting for more attention given to her redemption, given that a 30 second montage for Starlight was equivalent to all of Rainbow Rocks for Sunset. I was hoping they would show some kind of regression, or more explanation on how she got from "Friend leaving" to "Karl Marex" but there was not. Less time was given to her and Sunburst than there should have been, and he just completely moved past her confession, and I feel the whole plot with the baby and the Crystalling took away from these two. Might have been more space without the blizzard plot.

     

    Unfortunately, this is the real minus of the opener. It seems like the writers want us to accept the little song as the entirety of Starlight's redemption arc. So, while the problem with the baby has been reduced going forward, the fact that they are going to force us to accept the bit of lazy writing in the finale has given me new inhibitions.

     

    There won't be any struggles with acceptance like Sunset had, nor any struggle internally as Discord have. We are supposed to accept Starlight as is, everything forgiven, immediately shoehorned into the "Twilight's pupil role," and while that role is something I can get used to, the fact that the entrance into that role was so lazy is something that will remain as a bitter taste in my mouth.

     

    Anyways, those are my thoughts. Let me know what you guys think below!

  11. If the premiere is anything to go by, Spike will be done so much justice this season. It seems him and Starlight will be good friends, at least I hope, that could be what the little dragon needs. A close friend to help. Starlight fits this perfectly and the premiere seems to point in that direction. 

    It was disappointing that we didn't see the Starlight Forgiveness montage retconned, and I'm not happy that the writers are going to get away with a lazy redemption, but her role is something I'll get used to. As a friend for Spike, seems interesting

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  12. So, at the end of the premiere

    they nerf Flurry Heart

    thank god.

     

    So, the opener was kind of eh. The plot was every bit as contrived as we expected it would be, but going forward, it looks fine. Also, Starlight told her cringeworthy backstory again, and there is no further addressing of this point. Nor will there be I think. But at least the biggest problem has been dealt with.

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  13. Idk. I was still unsatisfied with her redemption, and  it does indeed look like that 2 second montage at the end of the finale will be the only redemption process we get. Since she's jumping right in with the main cast as if nothing happened. I really wanted more time to her forgiveness arc like sunset in RR, but nope.

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    Haber looks very promising, so does Levigner, and Polsky is still very good. The other writers didn't impress me that much, but Haber didn't impress me that much either in season 4 and now he's one of my favorites.

     

    Levinger left too. And Haber has some pretty big misses.

     

    @,

    But with the 3 best writers gone from mlp, and one completely invested in the movie, that leaves only two  writers who we know, and both of them have had average-to-bad episodes, with maybe a couple of hits. And neither of them has really been completely on point with characterization- something which is especially important for the success of this show.

     

    I am not saying the show is doomed with certainty, but a few recent storytelling decisions, some of the plot premises for S6 episodes, and the loss of the best writers all bring this to serious question.

     

    You are free to like the show as you will, and I'm glad you're managing to be hyped. But I want to say- don't be concerned if S6 is the last season of G4. There will still definitely be MLP. But since most of the characters are achieving their goals, and reaching their maximum potential, I think it is time to start wrapping it up. All good things must come to an end. It's a part of life. But one good thing ending doesn't mean another good thing can't come. There will definitely be a G5, especially with bronies and pegasisters around. And, with hope, they'll keep it in the same world.

     

    But I want G4 to end strong before it starts puttering out into nothing. And it definitely would not hold up into season 26. Most shows that go that long, especially cartoons, have gone to heck in a handbasket. Shows like Star Trek and Dr. Who last that long because they refresh the cast every few years. And that's the way to make a show last. You need to know that there is only so much to be done with a given group of characters, and you need to know when to end their story and start a new one.

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    He has written what I consider to be the worst episode in the history of the show, Flight to the Finish an episode so bad I can't even watch it all the way through.

    That might terrify you, but if he wrote what I consider to be one of the best  episodes, then maybe there is still hope.

     

    I loved flight at the finish. It was very relatable and heartwarming, and covered intense subject matters of bullying and disability. The only flaw is that they didn't really answer the question of will Scootaloo fly or not- but I understand that this was to prevent divisiveness and controversy. But great songs, great characters etc.

    But opinions. I loved that episode so I have faith in him.

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  16. I am just a bit confused about your comments to the show changing to comedy slice of life, because for me, the show was mostly slice of life from the very beginning.

     

    Slice of Life was always the meat of the show, but I am referring to a specific brand of slice of life- namely the kind of random, whacky kind of slice of life. MLP's brand of SoL was character focused, growth-focused, and moral-focused. Josh Haber's brand is more of the random goofy antics kind of SoL. they're different kinds of stories.

     

    Obviously it's possible that it will stay along those lines, but so far, it looks like more random antics based on the synopses we received. And as I said, whether the SoL will be good largely depends on whether the new writers can do well with long-standing characters.

     

    EDIT: Also worth noting that the season is being sold as an adventure season, but is appearing as a comedy slice of life. If worldbuilding was supposed to be the goal, random character antics isn't really the way to go that.

  17. Personally, it seems like the show is going in the direction of a random, slice of life (but also fantasy adventure) comedy. Which is a type of show i love, and a show that Josh Haber can write. But it's not quite the MLP we normally expect. MLP is  a slice of life show at its core, but we love the adventure stories as well. That said, Josh Haber doesn't do adventure well, so it should honestly go back to a more season 1 feel, or it will tank under Josh Haber's inability to write a high quality adventure. The key is also whether the new writers can maintain the characterizations we know and love. It will fail even as a Slice of Life if the characters aren't right.

     

    So, here's my bars

    Story Expectations- low

    Characterization- uncertain

    Slice of Life Comedy- dependent on characterization, and therefore uncertain

  18. I have gone from slightly concerned because of the Flurry Heart thing, to more concerned. At this point in time, I am not going to hold S6 to any standard of storytelling and morals. Hopefully the characters remain well-written, with good comedy and slice of life soon. But as for good stories and relatable morals? I'm not expecting much from S6.

     

    I think there is still hope we'll have an enjoyable season, but I predict that S5 will have been the height of the show, with S6 ranging from potentially enjoyable to utter garbage, as possibilities.

     

    However, that cautious optimism took a hit when I saw some of the synopses of the S6 episodes. Looks like we're going to start hitting cliches, references, and tropes left and right. If done well, then we might just have MLP shift to being a Slice of Life comedy as opposed to a complex, relatable story. And that will be okay I guess- that's something Josh Haber can do.

     

    But that's if, and only if, they stay original to the best of their ability. Also, it's completely possible we'll see some characterization shifts with all of the long term writers gone.

     

    So all in all, the Flurry Fart thing has me really concerned for the opener, but the synopses so far suggest she won't exist much outside of the opener. Fair enough. That takes care of that one, and we'll simply have a terrible two parter. Also, not much mention of Starlight, which is also a plus.

     

    On the flip side, the synopses suggest that the show is taking a sharp turn into the territory of a typical, random slice of life comedy. And while that's not necessarily a bad thing, it wasn't the best thing about the show. The best thing was the stories and the characters, and half of that equation looks grim, while the other half is uncertain with all of the new writers.

     

    That said, I really don't know anymore. I'll watch. Best case scenario, somehow they keep the story quality we're used to (but I'm not setting my expectations to this, with that god-awful opener). Most likely, we'll have a random slice of life comedy in the vein of Ranma 1/2 or something like. And that slice of life comedy may sink or swim depending on whether they maintain the standards of characterization we know and love. Worst case scenario, we have a trash heap with characterization errors, continuity flaws, and cliched trope-ridden attempts at comedy.

     

    But whatever scenario occurs, I think it is in the show's best interests to cut it off with S6, and then move on to G5. Good things must end. I personally feel that G5, when it occurs, should also be written in the world of equestria, and carry the visual language of G4, but with new characters, and a new story. Equestria is a big, cool world, and I don't want G4 to be the last we see of it.

     

    So, there are my thoughts.

  19. Everypony. Natasha Levinger and MA Larson have both left the show. That makes me even more concerned. At this point, I'm not resting on any real story quality of the tier that we're used to. Hopefully the characters are still entertaining enough, but I'm setting my expectations very low for everything besides comedy and characterization

  20. I think you're being generous. I don't see her having more than 3 episodes, tops, 'devoted' to her. I used air quotes there, because when you have a baby character, the story tends to focus more on the ones taking care of the baby, and not the baby her/himself.

    That's how a baby story should go. You actually pointed out one of the things I've been trying to say the whole time. What you just said- well, that's the ideal. But the issue is, they went for "OP baby causes a problem, other ponies have to fix it."

     

    Rather than have the conflict focus on caring for/rescuing/ saving the baby, which would be wayy better, they made the conflict "Baby creates blizzard." Which is a ridiculous idea, and incredibly lazy.

     

     

     

    That Magic that Flurry Heart has caused may have something to do with Magic Surges that always happen with baby ponies, as we noticed with Pumpkin Cake back in Season 2.

     

    That wasn't any better. It just wasn't this magnitude of bad writing.

     

     

     

    Not looking at that promo but would be cool if Flurry Heart becomes evil that would make my day.

     

    If only. Much doubt. But I would only like that scenario if she was a changeling or actually some ancient entity. Wouldn't want to have an Anti-Poof any more than I would want a regular one.

     

     

     

    've been a fan of this show long enough not to jump to conclusions too quickly or freak out over promotions and story arcs. I can think of a few better ways to start season six than this, but I understand the obligation the writers have to the almighty marketing division of Hasbro.

     

    So, write the baby in like Dill Pickles- the only well-written baby I can think of off-hand.

     

     

     

    These people here having in depth conversation debate, and here I am, thinking "lol her name is Flurry and she made a flurry" Have fun building your text walls, I'm out :D (I for one am remaining optimistic about the new season)

     

    I genuinely envy you. I really wish I could just turn off my concern and enjoy the show without thinking about it.

  21. ok, first of all. You clearly have no idea what a Deus Ex Machina is.

     

    A Deus Ex Machina in literary terms is a solution to an impossibly unsolvable problem that arrives quickly and suddenly without any kind of prior introduction or build up. Flurry hearts apparent unstable problem is not a deus ex machine, it is a situational device that makes her a pseudo antagonist or a problem for the heroes to solve.

     

    To your second point, how is babies a bad story telling choice? This confirms that ponies have sex, baby ponies exist, and that they live and are raised by their parents and don't automatically poof to another planet to be taken care of by aliens until they are adult ponies and then materialize on the planet again like in so many video games where children do not exist.....ever.

     

    How do you know she is OP? How do you know she is more powerful than all the princesses? It is well established in many works of fiction and myth that baby magical creatures powers are unstable. All she did was summon a snow storm unknowingly. Baby Cakes magic and flight powers show super pony strength and magical power and concscious control of that power with understanding and knowledge that twilight sparkle didn't have until YEARS later! and no one complained. We just accepted it as a humor plot device and moved on.

     

    to your question at hand, we are just going to have to see the episode...and again. You clearly do not know what a Deus Ex Machine is.

    I said if she becomes a Deus Ex Machina. Nowhere did I imply that she already was one. And her being a pseudo-antagonist because of "oops baby magic" is pretty bad too.

     

    Babies have problems with them that make them easy to write badly. I've said what I mean by it several times in the thread, but in essence, a well-written baby doesn't do much. They shouldn't have waves of impact on the world around them like summoning blizzards (hint hint). They should be pushed to the side a bit, and they should just sit there being a baby. Laughing, giggling, smiling, crying, etc... And the story potential of a baby comes from how the characters react to the baby. A well-written baby is Dill pickles. He isn't "special" (hint hint) and he doesn't cause any major catastrophes (hint hint). The stories with Dill after he was added involved things like jealousy, responsibility, protecting the helpless, and so forth. These are good stories that can be done with babies. And hitting that middle ground of a good baby is hard. It's too easy to make them either unbelievable or a non-character.

     

    Hopefully they still go for those story possibilities, and that would ease things a little bit. But in making her OP as heck, the writers have made a declaration that she WILL be special. That she WILL affect the world around her adversely. And when a baby is like that, they  become a major risk for lazy storywriting. In taking the step of OP baby, they have now set a precedent for the kinds of stories we might expect. OP baby causes a blizzard. OP baby farts a poison cloud. OP baby starts world war 3. Normally I wouldn't jump to such conclusions that those are the stories were going to get. And indeed, back with the first trailer, I remained neutral. But since this trailer came out, it's clear they're going to do that story at least once. And that  story, is lazy and cliched, and almost never goes well.

     

    "All she did was summon a snow storm unknowingly."- do you hear how this sounds? Alicorn or not, this sounds ridiculous. Besides, there are far better ways to write in a blizzard than "the baby sneezed." Also, that statement assumes that it was acceptable for the baby cakes to be as powerful as they were. As a matter of fact, several people I know didn't like that episode either. Though accidental magic is a trope and very common- I'll give you that- but accidental magic of that magnitude is pushing it. Harry Potter may poof away a window- under a lot of stress. Twilight was surprised by a loud explosion . Other cases of accidental young magic in fiction involve significant stimuli. The fact that the babies consistently flew and used magic without any prompting was pretty bad. Only now we have that, and way more excessive.

     

    And that's where I, and a few others stand.

  22. People aren't having 'misgivings', though.  They're jumping to conclusions.  There's a difference.  People on this topic have already decided they hate this premiere and the character before we even see it.  Ergo, this is nothing more than a topic designed to bash said character.

     

    The average post here has been 'Oh, I can't stand her because she has powers.  I'm done with this show.'.  And this is about the third or fourth topic I've seen on this very character, with posts along these lines.

    Several have said they are waiting until the premier before they make a final decision. It is perfectly acceptable to have low expectations, and it's even more acceptable if people have logical reasons which have driven these expectations.

     

    You are very much overgeneralizing here. There is an active discussion here about why we have misgivings and concerns. It's not like this is a blind OMG DIE PRINCESS FLURRY FACE! That may be the emotion many of us have. But people are offering logic and reasoning as to why we feel that way.

     

    You say it's designed to "bash" as if we are making a game of trashing her, but that is not the intent at all. The intent is to offer my feelings, an explanation as to why I feel that way, and a prompt to ask others if they feel the same, and offer any reasoning they have. Many people have posted positive feedback on Flurry Heart here, and if this were truly a "bash" thread, we would have ripped at anybody who disagreed- which is not the case. This is a civil discussion exploring why the baby has a negative impact for some viewers. Nothing close to "bashing."

     

     

    A friend of mine made an interesting point about Glimmer's backstory, namely that no backstory they could've come up with would've justified her actions. The fact they went ahead and cobbled together such a lackluster backstory was just additional salt in the wound.

     

    Don't forget Glimmer.

    In the immediate wake of Starlight Glimmer, I saw a lot of discussions that offered far more logical triggers to drive Starlight's actions. The main issue is that it was so weak and childish, making it far less relatable. The two most popular alternatives I saw were having Starlight be bullied, or be a long-term blank-flank- serving as an interesting parallel to the CMCs. But they went "My friend left omg waaaaa DESTROY CUTIE MARKS!" A childhood tantrum lasting for years.

  23. @@SBaby,

    Having misgivings and concerns doesn't mean we aren't calm. It means we are thinking about things from the perspective of what the baby can possibly be, and not many of the possibilities are desirable. What desirable outcomes are there? Outcomes that don't involve the baby being a hollow plot device, existing only to provide conflict, with no other merits to it?

  24. I honestly don't see the problem with Flurry Heart. This isn't the first time we've had an OP character in the show. Celestia is OP. Luna is OP. Cadence is OP. Twilight is now OP... yet the new foal is at fault. Why? Because everyone is overreacting to her. She's only a baby, and everyone is already calling her a Mary-Sue... we won't know her flaws until she's older. For now, she'll just be a baby.

    And it's not like we even have a whole lot of information on Flurry yet. We haven't seen enough of her to judge her. I'm waiting to see the premier before I decide if I like her or not.

    I don't agree with the word Mary Sue for baby Flutter Face. She doesn't have any characterization. No flaws, no strengths. Because she's a darn baby. Babies can't have character and still be believable.

     

    The fact that she's "just a baby". Is a large part of the concern. Babies are not characters yet. They are more like objects, to which the show and the characters react. Which is why it's so important to not make them powerful or special. It's pretty much like adding a really cute, happy rock to the show. A cute happy rock could function the same way, and has in past media. But if you give the baby powers rivaling the strongest characters on the show, that cute, happy, squishy rock is firing magical beams willy-nilly, serving no purpose other than to offer conflicts and/or solutions.

     

    Making the baby OP is entirely different from making proper characters OP, because they can have depth, story, etc. Babies can't have any of that stuff and still be proper babies. So, that just leaves them as a stupid, lazy writing device at worst, and a boring, useless, non-character at best. And making a baby OP magnifies how garbage those two possibilities can be.

     

    That said, I can understand waiting for the premier. But OP baby is a bad step.

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