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Microsoft 2016: "Project Scorpio will offer gamers the HIGHEST resolution, the BEST frame rates, NO COMPROMISES!" "True 4k, no (bullshit) checkerboard upscaling like the Ps4 Pro"

Microsoft 2017: "¯\_(ツ)_/¯"

Microsoft the company of deceit

Sony the company of arrogance 

Nintendo the company of obliviousness 

Where will it end? -.-

Only Bethesda games I have been able to truly "get into" were Fallout 3 and Elder Scrolls 4 Oblivion.  Spent over 1,000 hours on the both of em combined @_@

I'm pretty sure Scootaloo is a lesbian  

No way. Starlight is an old ass middle aged pony. No need to see her parents. It would be weird af.

We need to see more of Twilight's parents, if you ask me. What do they think of their son and daughter becoming such famous ponies? We need to see how this has effected them in detail  

1 hour ago, The Undefeated of the Weast said:

Well aren't we high and mighty

21 hours ago, Kyoshi said:

We get it, you have many problems with the X. We do not need any more elaboration on it.

9 hours ago, takai said:

Personally, I'd love to get one. (I wish it came in white though)

^One problem I have yet to mention, Kyoshi. The thing is ugly as sin >.>

^https://youtu.be/0m1-MuvUjWo?t=2m10s

It's literally a freaking box with no charm or design whatsoever! I mean, at least the Ps4 Pro had a cool look to it:

Idk... sometimes I kinda get attached to a console's design. It makes me overlook its shortcomings. Like the Dreamcast for example. That thing is bloody adorable! >.<

But with Xbox One X... it just looks like a shabby black brick e.e

4 minutes ago, SFyr said:

@K.Rool Addict, I think it changes the methods of improvement just a little? Supercomputers are made not only by getting the best parts, but also stacking a ton of them together and coordinating them, which means more cooling, more power draw, more expense, more components devoted to coordination--plus the length of communication pathways between parts may increase? (Which may be somewhat negligible, admittedly, but there's still a reason why RAM and cache memory is located so close to the CPU; it really does make a difference.)

I could see consoles and gaming PCs just going the route of getting bigger, which is fair, but regardless of whatever they do, I think it comes down to a cost/benefit matter. I guess I don't have any strong data on this point to back it up, but it seems like there would be less and less performance-to-cost as you cross this point, unless manufacturing parts gets dramatically cheaper? Which in turn would still mean less benefits from hardware sources, which has been one of the major sources of improvement.

But as I said, this area I'm a little less familiar on (yay markets and manufacturing costs), so don't take my word for it; you might be right that it's less of an issue, but, Moore's law and the steadily/predictably increasing transistor density has been one of the core driving forces behind better computing for decades, and, it's hitting its limit to my knowledge, or at least hitting the point where the limit is on the horizon save for improvements in other areas.

I would think the more complex and space efficient components would be the more expensive ones  Larger would probably be cheaper considering the less intensive engineering required to constantly shrink these transistors down.

Just now, Yugi012 said:

Same with PS4 or Xbox One, i originally never planned to get one because no games.

No games?

Horizon Zero Dawn

The Last Guardian

NieR: Automata

Uncharted 4: A Thief's End

Ratchet& Clank Remake

^All ★★★★★ games right there  

For Xbox I would highly recommend:

Sunset Overdrive

Forza Horizon 3

Cuphead

Scalebou- oh wait, nvrmnd LOL

^But yeah, that was pretty much all in terms of "exclusives" gracing the Xbox One console. For me , at least. You may be a big fan of shooters like Halo 5 or Gears of War 4.

The way I see it. Xbox One is the clear choice if you like either #1 Shooters or #2 Racing games.

For everything else, Ps4 completely demolishes Xbone  

(Inb4 people call me a Sony fanboy when just 4 days ago I was apparently a "Sony Hater" LMAO)

He was downright AWFUL in that Karate Kid remake >.<

That was the only chance I gave him lmao

Just now, Yugi012 said:

I plan on getting an Xbox because i liked Xbox 360 the best. So i am sticking with it if they can offer some good games when the new Xbox Scorpio comes out.

That's like me saying back in 2006 "I plan on getting the Wii since I liked the Gamecube the best!"

Microsoft isn't exactly what they used to be back in the 360 era -.- I'm not gonna tell you what purchases to make lol. You are free to choose the console you please. Just warning you before you drop $500-800 dollars on this thing o,o

3 minutes ago, SFyr said:

There's a notable principle called Moore's Law that I think has been a notable factor since around 1965; basically, transistors (one of the backbone components in all circuitry and modern electronics) are predicted to double in density per square inch every two years, give or take. Supposedly, this has had a large hand in increasing memory size, computation speed, and overall capability of computer components that deal with processing/logic. Heck, designing new components tends to play off of predicted hardware in other areas following this observation, even if they don't exist yet.

However, partially going off the word of a teacher or two of mine, we are either hitting a wall, or can see it on the horizon, where shrinking the components actually harms their functionality; at a certain point, they're just so small that they don't work right, face interference/instability, or are simply impossible to create. If I'm doing my research right, researchers and manufacturers have created transistors as small as 7-5nm, but at that point, noise/interference and quantum tunneling actually becomes a huge factor, and heck, at that point you're practically working with molecules of width anyways. You can't really decrease size much further at that point.

Anyways, so far, Moore's Law has been a core part of rapidly increasing specs/supercomputers/etc, as transistors and similar components being made smaller and smaller yields better performance and specs. And since graphics depends on specs, I think it's reasonable to foresee some kind of diminishing returns occur before too long, or at least generations where you can't really rely on better components to make much of a difference, and instead simply need more.

On the flip side, supposedly the plateau of miniaturization and transistor density leads into trying to increase efficiency in other ways, like better programming methods or redesigning basic computer architecture. Regardless, we likely can't rely on things to improve at the same speed they have been for much longer. Certain areas still have a good bit of improvement left, and may relatedly keep going as fast as it has been, but there is a wall there that we'll either see very slow progress afterwards, or some kind of massive change in computing in a different way to get comparable results. If I recall, this is actually a part of why quantum computing has garnered a lot of interest, because it would theoretically be a massive improvement over binary architecture.

Question:

Is it really all that necessary to continue to decrease the size of these transistors? Why not just have larger components to facilitate better performance? I get it for laptops and such, but for gaming PCs and consoles it should practically be a non-issue as I see it >.>

"Do you want to see a new Jaden Smith movie?"

Ah ok lol. I thought you literally haven't bought a new console in like a decade and a half xD

4 minutes ago, Yugi012 said:

I had a PS4, but sold it after a week.

^I did the same. "Rented" one from Gamestop as well as "renting" about 10 used games for around 5 days. Wasn't worth it imo. So I waited for E3 2016 and then Xbox One's dropped to $250 for a 1TB new console with 4 included games + a $50 Gamestop gift card. The Xbox One was "ok". It helped me cope after selling my Wii U xD. But all along I was eagerly awaiting the Ps4 "Neo". After it was NOT shown at E3 2016, I decided " Fuck Sony, if they aren't showing me the goods, I'm going with their competition" lol. So I had the Xbone for about a year give or take. Prices went right back up for it after I bought it; like a week or two later   But honestly, the Xbox One simply didn't do much for me. It was just good enough to keep me interested, no more no less. Then in November I got myself a Ps4 Pro =^-^= Have barely touched my Xbox since then, so just awhile back I sold it to a friend for a decent profit \(^o^)/

If you do end up getting a Xbox One X, which games are you interested in playing? I'm guessing you don't care much for Playstation exclusives lol

Banned for defiling that adorable digimon >.<

Ah, here we go. Finally someone who speaks my language =^-^=

I sure hope not. I don't want all my abstaining from Season 7 to be in vain! >.<

Just dropping in to say Starlight Glimmer is far superior to Sunset Shimmer (^.^)/)

2 hours ago, Yugi012 said:

Call me an edgelord.. but i have a Ps2. So i will in most case just watch and see. I am still waiting for Xbox Scorpio next year to see what games it has to offer.  I tend to prefer original games over remakes. But if anything have fun atleast!

You have never gotten a console since the Ps2? o.0

Wtf

1 hour ago, VG_Addict said:

Do you think that we're experienced diminishing returns in graphics in video games? I mean, it seems the difference in graphics gets smaller and smaller every generation. 

I don't think we're ever going to get another huge gap in graphics like we did between the 4th (SNES/Genesis) gen and the 5th (N64/PS1/Saturn).

What do you think?

Here's what I think. There is already a MASSIVE gap in graphics between the (Ps3, 360) generation and the (Ps4, Xbone) generation. Games are beginning to take on a lush, almost CGI presentation across the board. Something that was only once possible in cutscenes is now available in real time. Just check out this old Bioshock 2 teaser trailer from countless years ago:

^With our current tech, specifically being aided by Unreal Engine 4, we are perfectly capable of pulling off graphical detail like this in game. High end gaming p.c.s are pushing the boundaries of what can be accomplished in the graphical space. Just in the past few years, mobile GPUs have more than tripled in power. Just this gen with Nvidia tech we got the 10 series of video chips that are capable of demolishing 980ti SLI setups from just a few years back. Gtx 1050, 1050 Ti, 1060, 1070, 1080, Titan X and now 1080 Ti AND Titan XP... all in a single generation. The Titan XP possessing 12 Tflops and 12 GB of VRAM

But even on the VASTLY underpowered consoles, we get releases like this:

^Fully open world, at 4k 30 frames per second locked, with graphical detail rivaling max settings for some of the most graphically intensive p.c. games to date!

Graphics will forever be increasing at a rapid pace. I do not believe we will reach diminishing returns in graphical detail/ flourishes until much much later. Maybe around 20-50 years later. For now, revel in the work these insanely passionate artists and tech heads have put into getting beautiful visuals like this running in our games!

Aha! I see you changed your avatar, Duality >.> It looks far more "sexually explicit" now... not sure how I feel about that >.<

Moist  

Just now, ShadowDash13 said:

No hugs until you apologize!

Nevar!1!1!!

And no hugs for you either!  

It frustrates me easily when videogames take control away from the player with overabundance of unskippable cutscenes, quick time events, or just shitty unresponsive controls >.<

Does that count?  

No hugs for you! >:O

2 minutes ago, Kyoshi said:

Either way, I was in a very bad mood earlier, hence my posts and whatnot.

Aww, see how cute my Kyoshi-kun is? 

3 minutes ago, Kyoshi said:

I guess I wish people wouldn't that in such a provocative manner. I just want to enjoy gaming and I want others to do so as well. Sometimes it seems like some people don't want to do that. 

Too many "fans" act like little kids to be perfectly honest. "Oh you bought an Xbox One? Go kill yourself" lol.

Idk, I watch Digital Foundry videos like all the freaking time. I just love how mature and thorough their videos are (+ the smexy British accents ^///^). But the comments section is like a battleground filled with 2nd graders xD 

If I'm a Marshmallow why do I feel so rough?

I'm as strong as a Fluff, even that's not enough! D: