Here No Longer

1 hour ago, A.V. said:

 

And they're not forcing their beliefs on anyone; they simply don't do a specific service.

 

Huge difference as well.

They don't do it because apparently their beliefs don't agree with it, and forcing other people to get wedding cakes elsewhere if they don't believe the same thing?

Not a huge difference at all.

23 minutes ago, A.V. said:

 

Yet you don't see the irony in forcing them to disobey their beliefs?

I'm not forcing them to disobey their beliefs at all... I'm telling them not to force them on other people. Huge difference...

3 minutes ago, A.V. said:

 

 You're not applying that to all cases, are you?

 

Because while homophobia (that is, active malice toward LGBT people -- not merely disagreeing with them) does exist, it's a long-established fact that certain religions do forbid LGBT lifestyles as well as contributing to them.

So it's okay for them to force their doctrine on other people at a f***ing bakery? Okay.

1. I disagree with this point for the most part. Freedom from control should stop simply with things such as robbery, embezzlement, or rape. In other words, things that actually harm other people and animals in a tangible way for an unjust reason (butchering shouldn't count here. More for animal assault and rape and other offenses of that nature). Religious freedom laws did this in the past by allowing vendors to deny LGBT people wedding cakes because they simply don't like them, and plenty of colleges have done this as well with their "speech codes".  If people don't like that they have two eyes or two arms, that's their problem and quite frankly not mine. They will just have to pay the surgery bill and deal with impairing themselves and horrifying other people for the rest of their lives which sounds bad enough to dissuade people I'd think.

2. I can agree with that point, mostly because I see exactly where it leads. However, I only agree to an extent. I only agree with you to the point where people working minimum wage aren't earning enough money to sustain themselves. Which in some places is actually occurring, but I won't list specific places here. Let's just say that the list is substantially larger than people may think or, as I've observed, even accept without attacking me for telling the length of the list and some countries that would be on it.

3. I totally agree with this point, as in this case "freedom from pain" should never had to do with anyone's feelings in the first place. When it gets to that point, it ends up actually becoming an infringement on people's freedom of control, as it doesn't allow people to say things unless it caters to specific people. I see this in the process of happening. Though I frankly don't know who will make it happen first here in the United States, between triggered American Nazis along with Christian fundamentalists and triggered Black Lives Matter activists along with AntiFa. My biases tell me the former will get that privilege first, but only time will tell. Hopefully neither side get the freedom to dictate others.  

I can relate to most of this really well... In fact, I've actually been in the process of writing something similar...

Just now, BronyNumber42licious said:

I'm not taking away from Justin's point. But one must also recognize when someone, or a group, is well beyond the point of discussion. And I see a lot of social justice warriors going insane about everything that isn't "woke" enough. So the question is, does a rational liberal find more in common with a rational conservative, and leave the extremes nut jobs behind? I think that is the question he answered. 

But that still leaves so many unresolved issues. I've seen too many people talk about tolerance, then turn around and call someone a Nazi for not agreeing with them. Theoretical talk is cheap. Specific issues and a fundamental principle can prove it.

I think the original post answered that question for you. Most people find much more in common with more moderate political factions than either extreme.

How does this have to relate to people getting along?

Just now, BronyNumber42licious said:

It's a matter of numbers. You can always find 1 example of anything. 

That's true, but also applies to what you said as well.

Just now, BronyNumber42licious said:

Yet you don't see conservatives throwing a fit when a liberal tries to give a speech at a college.

I've seen conservatives thropw a fit whenever a liberal says something too. Stop attempting to be divisive.

I agree. ID Politics is one thing that has to stop.

Honestly, if anyone says dogs are smart, I'd show them that.

It seems like they're really trying to look worse than EA...

I think they got the EA and Hi-Rez disease.

6 hours ago, Vulcan said:

Also Urgot rework made its debut

Wasn't really playing League at the time though. Bad support player p*$$ed me off so much I stopped playing. But the rework in general is probably the best they've ever done.

54 minutes ago, A.V. said:

 

I'm sorry, but that's yet another ironic strawman -- as @Yellow Diamond put it.

An opinion cannot be a strawman.

Call of Duty games seem to have been, for the most part, mediocre at best since Modern Warfare 3. I've just been avoiding the franchise altogether to be honest, and WWII sounds like the bottom of the barrel.