Torques

Just now, Key Sharkz said:

I'm going to try and level with you:

Why are you getting so upset over a cartoon horse? You're turning away potential friends over this, why? You're making enemies here over this, why? It's not even worth it, man. Let me help you out, tell me why this is so important to you?

I see something very wrong and you come here to just shit on a character I care about, and you didn't consider anything I said, your haphazard response and blatant ignoring of my example is infuriating and shows you don't care, and I can't stand it. 

I can't stand how Trixie was treated, thats why its so important. 

He brings retarded legal jargon to cartoon slapstick, you come here to shit in my thread and ignore all of my examples. 

3 minutes ago, Key Sharkz said:

Translation: I'm blatantly ignoring Trixie's efforts to improve her life, blatantly ignoring all of his examples in this thread, ignoring that Trixie isn't some one dimensional bully obsessed with revenge, ignoring how the super special main character gets forgiven for worse instantly

Fixed it.

Just now, Key Sharkz said:

you are not even going to read counter-arguments

That wasn't even an argument I reacted to, holy fuck. 

Just now, Key Sharkz said:

Way to try and pass blame on a couple of stupid kids. The fact is that Trixie is an adult and should take responsibility for her own lies. She knows lying is wrong, and she did it anyway, she is to blame for her own misfortune there.

Why the fuck should she have to pay for what two other able minded ponies did. 

Just now, Key Sharkz said:

Because instead of improving herself, doing some soul searching and wondering where she went wrong she instead blamed her problems on others catching her lies and went after a magic talisman to try and fix it instead of honing her own talents or skills.

She DID try improving herself, she DID try rebooting her career and fixing her problems. I'm not even going to read past this garbage you wrote in 5 seconds trying to win, its pathetic

Just now, Lord Valtasar said:

i know you try to defend her,but by denying her flaws you actually take away from what makes her great.everypony in the show is flawed in some way,thats what makes them interesting

I'm not denying her flaws, you're just making her reality even more depressing. 

1 minute ago, Lord Valtasar said:

i think thats exactly the point of Trixie,she sucks even at what her talent is supposed to be,but she won't just accept it,so she uses bragging and boasting as a means of getting attention and as the saying goes,fake it till you make it,so maybe she believes that by acting like she's great and powerful she'll eventually actualy become great and powerful

Jesus Christ. Stop.

6 minutes ago, Key Sharkz said:

Doesn't work that way, you post a thread people get to respond. You don't get to dictate how they respond.

That being said I am responding to how you are upset over a character that really clearly didn't have a chance to be good in the first place. Furthermore we know the next season is the last one, what point is there to complaining about a character's writing NOW? We know they are not going to fix it in 1.5 seasons before the show is over.

I'm telling you you're annoying, your input about Trixie is shallow, and you didn't address anything I said.

Just now, Key Sharkz said:

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This isn't the thread to just come here and shit on Trixie without reading or addressing anything I wrote down, go away.

2 minutes ago, Jedishy said:

Trixie did not get punished other than being shunned for her bad behavior.

Trixie lost everything, was humiliated at a scale we would never have to face, lived for years with that while trying to reboot her career, proving she isn't revenge obsessed bully. Her magical purpose was laughed at. I'm pretty sure Trixie did get punished hard, while others like Glimmer do far worse and are immediately forgiven.

What lesson does she need to learn at this point, how much do they need to flanderize and ignore the little good she had, how stupid do they need to make her so they can have specialmuffin starlight come in and fix everything before people here start getting mad.

Just now, Jedishy said:

Third I have shown that what you do to your friends is different from how you act with strangers both morally and legally.

Its not okay to drag your friends around morally or legally. You can't just drag people around because you have the ability to, and no, it was against their will.

1 minute ago, Wholly Windcharger said:

I never got in the guy's face.

I never said you did...

Just now, Wholly Windcharger said:

Nope. It was basic skepticism. I was in the front row. It was never about me outperforming him. It's about him showing professional and good sportmanship rather than him proving he was better than everyone else. If I really was disruptive, he could easily have security toss me out.

Being a good sport means not getting into someones face and belittling them at the start of their own show, that guy probably would have taught you a lesson had you done that.

2 minutes ago, Lord Valtasar said:

well not really.she didn't outdid their tricks,she just stoped them from performing them
we're on the same side,the difference is you defend Trixie as a person,and i defend her as a character with believable personality with actual motives(which is kinda rare to see in cartoons lately)

"AJ made a point of being so much better and used some rope tricks, Trixie used rope tricks on her and put her down a peg; RD got aggressive and used her flight to control the weather, Trixie used magic to control the weather and give her a shock (the same terrible shock, mind you, that Dash uses to "terrorize" innocent bystanders in Nightmare Night, so hush you with any claims she was assaulted); RY called out her style and looks and trashed Trixie’s stage to make herself look better with magic, Trixie user her magic to trash Rarity’s mane to have her look worse. She was challenged with shows of rope use, weather control, and object transformation, and she proved she was better at those things"

Just now, Lord Valtasar said:

but thats exactly the point of the episode,Trixie isn't good at what she does,she deals with it as she deals with everything else,trying to show everyone she's better than she actually is

She DID show she was better than them at what they brought forward. With magic. For her magic show.

Just now, Wholly Windcharger said:

I actually went to a stage magician show a few years ago. And when I heckled the magician with skepticism, he didn't assult me like Trixie did; he actually used the skepticism to help move the show forward into the next trick, like a professional showman should. He was a very good sport about my doubts and heckles and genuinely amazed me by the end of the show.

@Jedishy @Torques @Lord Valtasar

Did you go up on his stage and try outperforming him. Did you get into his face and belittle him.

13 minutes ago, Jedishy said:

assault and not ok

It's so annoying how you ignore Twilight assaulting her own friends with magic, how she recklessly endangered children and the town, gets forgiven with no consequences, how Dash was more than willing to assault her, and here you are complaining about Trixie when she defended her own show.

2 minutes ago, Jedishy said:

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If you're not going to read or blatantly disregard my arguments and everything I spent time writing out, someone else can deal with you. Already went through literally everything in your paragraph. 

Just now, Jedishy said:

sometimes good people do bad things and get away with it and sometimes bad people do good things that get ignored

Don't lecture me about life. This show lets terrible people get away with crimes all of the time while it punishes others for doing far less and continues to treat them without respect, I'm not turning a blind eye and I'm getting sick of your shallow responses. 

1 minute ago, Jedishy said:

You really think that legally or morally or whatever the two are the same?

You think its moral to drag your friends around and brainwash them. 

Not only that but Trixie could have really zapped Dash but chose not to, she made a much bigger bolt against the ursa.

Just now, Jedishy said:

Oh and Rainbow Dash shocking her friends in ponyville is not the same as a stranger doing it.

>It doesn't count you guiez!

Trixie didn't assault her any worse than what Twilight does on a daily basis dragging other ponies around, or how glimmer brainwashed her own friends and was immidiatly forgiven. You are completely oblivious to the flaws in this show.

7 minutes ago, Lord Valtasar said:

Starlight got forgiven because they couldn't defeat her,they did try to just stop her at first,pairing Trixie with her is a way of telling us the world is unfair and the powerful will always have more oportunities,and by that she continues to be a very a relatable character(even if it was unintentional which i'm not sure it was)

The world in this show is vastly unfair to the point where its absurd how much fortune and talent Twilight and Glimmer have, how much they get because of who they are, when they don't uphold the message of this show.

Trixie nearly killed herself because the princess of friendship tried separating her from the one friend she had by bringing old, bad feelings back into this, and would rather have tea with Celestia than support Trixie trying to better her life while she was happy to forgive Glimmer for all the worse things she did. Twilight is supposed to be an example of this show.

It only took Trixie nearly killing herself for before she could finally have one friend. Twilight really is a bastard, she gets all of these wonderful and beautiful things handed to her, and she doesn't even uphold the message of this show. Twilight knew about Trixie suffering and didn't care.

Just now, Jedishy said:

Oh a bully has nice traits too? So? I am sure their victims find it soothing to know that they are more then just a bully sometimes. Sorry but other traits do not negate the bad ones. 

Trixie was the one bullied and dragged through shit. 

Just now, Jedishy said:

She attacks ponies with magic trying to push Twilight to step in, in her first episode. Then she chooses to come back for revenge when she was a jerk that got served. As for her boasting well boasting is fine right up until you use it to bully others. Rainbow is cocky but she never uses her speed to pick on others even though she could. Also her "trying to fight the Ursa" is the equivalent of tossing out a two punch combo and then letting the criminal run rampant because that did not work. She tried the rope and the lightning and that is is. But you are right she made a token effort. 

Did you even read what I posted. 

"The episode was a mess. One of the earlier interviews with Thiesen on EqD, and I believe a reddit AMA, had him say that the original script / layout had to be hacked down and it stuck with him over how much overtime they had to do to make the episode make sense.

In the end, they still messed up; they accelerated the initial reason for "conflict" so fast/poorly that they made 3 of the M6 look like petty hecklers and gave valid reasons for Trixie to act out on them. They were front row audience of a free show and were making a fuss about it from second zero, before any callouts; nobody that isn’t a jerkass does something like, but the M6 were made to act that way so Trixie would start her challenges. At that point they’re hecklers, and as anyone that’s seen standup comedy knows, hecklers get humiliated and used to entertain the rest of the audience; of course, making the M6 feel bad is a mortal sin for most of the fandom, as we all know from the way people flipped over Gilda making Fluttershy cry.

The merit of how she treated the challenges is contestable, but as far as I’m concerned was fair given the circumstances; AJ made a point of being so much better and used some rope tricks, Trixie used rope tricks on her and put her down a peg; RD got aggressive and used her flight to control the weather, Trixie used magic to control the weather and give her a shock (the same terrible shock, mind you, that Dash uses to "terrorize" innocent bystanders in Nightmare Night, so hush you with any claims she was assaulted); RY called out her style and looks and trashed Trixie’s stage to make herself look better with magic, Trixie user her magic to trash Rarity’s mane to have her look worse. She was challenged with shows of rope use, weather control, and object transformation, and she proved she was better at those things, put some hecklers in their place, and got cheers from the public. If this had been a M6 character putting on the show in front of a hostile audience, we’d be expected to cheer for them; but it’s not, the show’s always had a clear double standard when dealing with what the M6 can do and what other characters can do.

Trixie messed up by lying about a fantastical event only idiot children or yokels would take seriously in the one town populated by idiot children and yokels that lied on the border of The Forbidden Forest; but the aesop didn’t deal with lies or boasting. RD, AJ, and RY messed up by heckling a performer during their act and having as big of an as her; but the aesop didn’t deal with not harassing artists or biting down your tongue over pride. The wonderdolts and Spike messed up by taking the show too seriously, putting their idols on mile-high pedestals, and fighting over them; but the aesop wasn’t about the dangers of fanboyism. In the end the aesop as about how you should feel OK to prove you’re good at something if you think you’re good at something; it was all about Twilight. And the aftermath was Trixie losing her home, her possesions, her job, and her pride, the wonderdolts getting prized with moustaches, Twilight becoming the town hero and Best Pony That Ever Lived, again, and some random pony having to retile their roof.

Oh, and showing that Dash was more than willing to physically beat up Trixie. But let’s just ignore that part lest we spark a debate on all of Dash’s deep faults and how we’re expected to see them as charming character traits…"

Also find it annoying how you ignored my examples of Trixie NOT being some one dimensional revenge obsessed bully. 

3 minutes ago, Jedishy said:

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What about the time Twilight brainwashed children and suffered no consequences whatsoever? Assulting the town with magic agaisnt their will, or how glimmer brainwashed an entire town, burned through multiple timelines,and tried killing the mane cast in her little fit? What about how sunset threw away her perfect life and tried murdering the mane cast, was more evil than Trixie while she was under the influence of an evil artifact, and was immediately offered the path to friendship while Trixie is greeted with spite?

Notice a pattern with these god awful characters and their blatantly unoriginal copies? If they can be forgiven, Trixie can be for a crime that was far less severe, and she would have never committed without the evil influence.

Just now, Senko said:

Which episode? If you mean discord he does that to everyone from Spike up to Celestia.

It's the writers telling us she doesn't have real magic, thats why discord insulted her for that reason. They pair Trixie with another pony who is a million times more magical and gets support and forgiveness where Trixie was dragged through crap.