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Really depends on the time, RD's much less obnoxious in EG, however pinkie was turned into an exposition fountain in the EG, RR, and LE movies, which didn't feel good, then the other shorts turned up and made things much better for her, fluttershy i like the same for both, not much changed imo, Rarity just felt dull and boring to me, AJ felt better, but not much, and personally i prefer Sci-Twi over Princess Twi, it just feels more realistic as a high schooler than a princess in a castle, and i can see how that'd be much more relatable for some people, Pony twi seems to be less... out there as a princess, and Sci-Twi revives memories very well!  

The one i felt was better, was actually not part of mane six, it was

I feel like something to do with the Mean 6 clones would catch my attention, otherwise i feel like that as long as a good writer handles it, we'll get a good episode, possibly better than good.

So i've just rewatched the episode, and i've got to say tirek was hilarious, if i'd list a major positive about the episode it'd be either the humor, or cozy glow as a villain.

I have to definitely agree with Dark Qvivut on the CMCs, extreme waste of potential in my opinion, i would have thought something that would imitate Dark Water in the comics where the CMCs were the driving positive force solving the problem, instead of their appearance in the episode which felt more like filler than actual character.

However i will point out something that i see within the episode, the children were SO gullible, oh our classmates looks like they're in pain and sacrificing themselves, let's just walk away awkwardly, if the students atleast showed some disagreement aside from a face, that would have made slightly more sense, there was literally an unicorn who saw Cozy Glow yelling and locking the CMC behind doors, instead of even warning his classmates, just moonwalk away, sure that works.

15 hours ago, Ganondox said:

They weren't suspicious because she said racist things to them, they had completely made up with her by the end of What Lies Beneath after she tricked them into revealing the catacombs by saying racist things, and Smolder was suspicious BEFORE she used racism to DISPEL the suspicions, which she successfully did. The real reason the student six were suspicious (aside from Smolder and Gallus, who are just cynical, others like Ocellus were trusting) is because they were the only ones who knew about the catacombs, and the spotted her coming out them without explanation. It's worth noting that why they were snooping they noticed her standing up them against Neighsay. What actually went wrong with her plan is that Neighsay bungled it up by imprisoning them, and then releasing Sandbar. If you look back at the CMC scene you'll see that Sandbar was actually trying to get Cozy Glow's help, they just happened to stumble upon her being evil. Regardless of all the nuances of what went wrong with her plan, the key point is that if she made those racist remarks in order to further her plan. 

Look, your argument is wrong either way, so I don't care about how it's phrased, you're the only one arguing about this nuance. I just paraphrased you for convince, drop it already. And knock it off with your remarks that it's my decision, it takes two. 

I gave way more in summary than that, yet you claim I'm the one twisting your words. If my actual summary was inaccurate, then why don't you explain how? You're just blaming me for not understanding when you make no effort to explain yourself. "You're taking two words out of my entire argument and emphasizing it to the point where that's all you can see: "feels autistic"." No, that was just the only part I CHOSE to comment on, and I was pretty clear about that. I specifically mentioned there was more to it, it was just irrelevant to my point. You're not fooling anyone. 

I was pretty explicit on why I replied, and I didn't contradict myself, I elaborated on the point. "I was just addressing the one thing I found important to address is the last thing I need is people thinking autistic people are like Cozy Glow." "I didn’t reply to persuade you, but to challenge your assertion for everyone else who was reading as your assertion had some nasty implications due to being based on false premises." " I don’t care about your opinion, I care about the argument you made that you are trying to defend by saying it’s just your opinion. My issue is you essentially justified Cozy Glow’s evil by equating it with autism. That’s what you’re saying when you confuse using your friends as tools for self-gratification with not knowing how to make friends, the former is evil and the later is autistic, and then you write her off as more sympathetic than Starlight Glimmer. That’s bad on two accounts. Autism is no excuse for being evil, nor does autism lead to being evil. " " I don’t care what you belief and I can’t change how you feel, but I care about what you’re adding to a dialogue far greater than you where many people might be listening." "You can’t just excuse evil by trying to write it off as mental illness, it betrays a misunderstanding of mental illness and let’s evil go unchallenged." I've been pretty damn consistent. Seems like you're just confusing "thinking autistic people are like Cozy Glow" with "Every autistic kid alive is as morally inferior as Cozy Glow" (And you got mad at me for twisting your words? Seriously, what the hell?) and me challenging your assertion with wanting you to rephrase it. 

You made the claim, you started the argument. If you can comment on the episode then I'm allowed to comment on what you wrote in the discussion of said episode. This is your wording: 

"Cozy Glow- Some kid who feels autistic (Not the insult.), and manipulative sure, but she also has no horn, and didn't have nearly as horrifying a plan as starlight, and just plainly didn't understand friendship to the point where it begins to be portrayed as insanity. "

Sure, it doesn't actually make any sense outside of context and even in context I'm still left wondering why you thought it was significant that she has no horn, but it can clearly be seen that you claimed that she feels autistic and that she just didn't understand friendship, and I was just commenting on that. You're the one who then blew up by then demanding that I comment on every else, and I refused. 

If you think that sending pms could end it, then why haven't you sent me a PM instead? I specifically sent out the invitation for you to PM, but you didn't PM me, you replied. You can't blame me for continuing it when you're making the choice to reply in the comments, you're not even giving an excuse for why. It's pretty obvious that you just want to get the last word, you just won't admit it. I'm willing to give you the last word if you end with something I'm okay with ending on, but you haven't, you've just tried to shove all the blame onto me. 

You're literally just repeating yourself with your claim that I was slyly rude. I gave a counter-argument, you refused to address it, that's it. Are you going to continue debating this, or are you going to let it go? Do you want an apology or what? If you've conceded, then why are you still arguing with me about arguing? Let's end it. Or we could continue, half the comment is actually on topic. Make your move, the balls in your field. 

 

This conversation being half off topic doesn't make it any better for other people to view, If you want to continue arguing out in the public just for your purpose of grabbing backers, you can continue replying in public, you're continuing to slander and twist my words, i'm going to start pming you from here, since you've rejected invitations to either end this conversation or to keep it away from flooding the chat, see you there.

So making it half on topic justifies flooding chat? Sure, i'll respond to the on topic argument,  "I was just addressing the one thing I found important to address is the last thing I need is people thinking autistic people are like Cozy Glow." And you didn't need to start this argument here in public if you were only addressing it to me?  " I don’t care about your opinion, I care about the argument you made that you are trying to defend by saying it’s just your opinion. My issue is you essentially justified Cozy Glow’s evil by equating it with autism. That’s what you’re saying when you confuse using your friends as tools for self-gratification with not knowing how to make friends, the former is evil and the later is autistic," You're not posting my argument of deconstructing that statement, No, i don't defend my arguments by using the opinion card, and i've already politely suggested it to you to stop slandering me by implying i do, actually, most if not all of the quotes you posted directly show you either stating points that will later be contradicted, or points that twist my words. : "I was just addressing the one thing I found important to address is the last thing I need is people thinking autistic people are like Cozy Glow." "I didn’t reply to persuade you, but to challenge your assertion for everyone else who was reading as your assertion had some nasty implications due to being based on false premises." " I don’t care about your opinion, I care about the argument you made that you are trying to defend by saying it’s just your opinion. My issue is you essentially justified Cozy Glow’s evil by equating it with autism. That’s what you’re saying when you confuse using your friends as tools for self-gratification with not knowing how to make friends, the former is evil and the later is autistic, and then you write her off as more sympathetic than Starlight Glimmer. That’s bad on two accounts. Autism is no excuse for being evil, nor does autism lead to being evil. " " I don’t care what you belief and I can’t change how you feel, but I care about what you’re adding to a dialogue far greater than you where many people might be listening." "You can’t just excuse evil by trying to write it off as mental illness, it betrays a misunderstanding of mental illness and let’s evil go unchallenged." I've been pretty damn consistent. Seems like you're just confusing "thinking autistic people are like Cozy Glow" with "Every autistic kid alive is as morally inferior as Cozy Glow"

Yellow = Later Contradicted Red = Slandering/Word Twisting/Not Getting it Orange = Both.

What? Because i stated something that started the argument? No, the argument wouldn't have happened if you didn't respond to that statement, see why you're not arguing with everyone else at the same time? You replied, you started an argument, the argument would have been cut short if you decided to use polite wording, and that would have been better than this.

"it can clearly be seen that you claimed that she feels autistic and that she just didn't understand friendship" If i would have wanted to make you think she didn't understand friendship DUE to autism, i would have said "Some kid who didn't understand friendship due to possible autism", it's like getting "Your house is filled with bombs" from a guy saying "Your house is on fire." "I'm still left wondering why you thought it was significant that she has no horn," Ah yes, maybe due to Starlight's magic almost destroying all of equestria? 

Your counter argument wasn't on you being slyly rude, It's obvious that i'm not conceding for this second argument, which is based off of you twisting my words and painting my picture horribly, no, i wasn't pushing the blame on you, I have said in my reply that you can make the note, just do it in a way that can end the argument, or turn it to pms, you're not doing very well at that if you're doubling down on justifying your slanders out in public.

1 minute ago, Ganondox said:

The thing you’re not getting is that “hiding her racism” wouldn’t have helped her. She said racist things because in the situations it helped her, that’s true for literally every situation where she said something racist. As such, it demonstrated social skill. So what it offended certain characters? She doesn’t care, she still got what she wanted, and that has nothing to do with autism.

The argument will end once it reaches a resolution. You’re not driving it towards resolution, you’re just arguing about the argument which goes absolutely nowhere.

I READ all your replies. Your arguments made no sense, so I can’t argue with that. The one thing I got out of it that did make sense is you found Cozy Glow more helpless and innocent or something like that, stuff about her being a filly whose still growing and thus shouldn’t be punished so harshly. Is that incorrect? The reason you’re taking offense to my analysis is because you don’t see evil as evil, you see it as a symptom of her being delusional or something, but I’m telling it as it is, not necessarily as you intended.

You don’t need to change your wording, you said what you meant. I’m not going to tell you what to say, it’s  your view, not mine. Everyone else can just read the commentary and come to their own conclusions. Also, I didn’t start the argument, you did. Look at many other people challenged you. I’ve been trying to end it, you just won’t back off. 

Is it rude to tell a man that you can’t take a man seriously because he’s wearing a silly hat? You chose to take offense, even when you conceded in the end.

And no, I’m not going to move this to PMs because I DON’T want to continue this non-argument, literally the only reason I’m continuing is because it’s in a public space so other people maybe be following it. I’m not leaving it on the note you left it on.

Just now, Ganondox said:

1. Yes you did. You claimed Cozy Glow wasn’t a model student based on such. Any other discussion of what model student could mean is irrelevant based on context. This is exactly what you said:

”in fact if she was extremely good at socializing, she would have refrained from expressing racism in the first place.”

You’re only insulting yourself by taking offensive to me paraphrasing your own words, I never called you racist or anything. 

We’re not even arguing about it anymore, you’re just taking offense to what I said. I am so done with this, but you haven’t ended on a note that I just leave. 

What part of I don’t want you to change the wording don’t you understand? It’s the idea you are expressing that I object to, and replacing autism with some other word isn’t going to change that. Cozy Glow is NOT innocent, she knew what she was doing and suffered the consequences for such. You can’t just excuse evil by trying to write it off as mental illness, it betrays a misunderstanding of mental illness and let’s evil go unchallenged. You are entitled to your opinion, but you also need to accept the consequences for expressing your viewpoint.

I did not whine about political correctness, quite the opposite. I politely requested for you to change your language, and you learned something in the process. I believe people should try to accommodate others, so I have nothing against political correctness. You in turn whined about political correctness in response, which was fine as it lead to me explaining WHY it’s objectionable.

 

”in fact if she was extremely good at socializing, she would have refrained from expressing racism in the first place.” in context was that she would have hid her racism instead of showing it in front of anyone, not that racism was a reflection of bad social skills? It was extremely obvious, why would i insult everyone who weren't good at socializing by calling them racist?

To end an argument you can either accept to end it, or to just not reply, arguing again doesn't work in your favor.

You're again implying my entire point was that she's autistic so she's free from all evil, that is not the point, if you want to see my points for why i didn't enjoy her punishment, read my other replies, if you don't want to change the wording, what was your point of arguing anyways? you had the point of me putting out my opinion of her being autistic being wrongful as it'll lead others to think of autism to be similar of cozy glow's mentality, and that point clearly isn't valid anymore as you're refusing to give me a rewording option. "you also need to accept the consequences for expressing your viewpoint." Exactly, so if you start an argument, accept that you'll need to end it.

Just now, Ganondox said:

Look, how you look is not my responsibility. I’m just replying to what you said. The implicitions of what you said is your own. I didn’t make anything up or twist anything. If you want me to stop, you gotta stop making these claims. Take some responsibility for yourself.

I don’t want you to change your wording (and how am supposed to tell you what to say when you just claim I misinterpret what you said anyway?). You said what you said, I commented on it, and that’s the end of it. I’m frankly tired of argueing with you. I don’t care about your opinion, you can believe Cozy Glow is autistic against all evidence all you want, I was just challenging your claim. 

She doesn’t have any autistic symptoms though. As you could come up with was that she is obsessed when she’s really just ambitious. 

You know what I don’t appreciate? People who constantly whine about political correctness. As a matter of fact, I can’t take people who complain about that seriously when they then complain about being misrepresented. Words are words, you can’t have it both ways. 

Multiple things wrong, first off, "Your belief that racism is a reflection of bad social skills is irrelevant to how autism actually impacts people." is extremely straight forward, in that statement you're pretty much saying "You thinking racism is related to bad social skills doesn't mean autism impacts people that way", i never stated that racism is a reflection of bad social skills, painting me in that way is just insulting. And, you were the first to bring up ending the argument, so, if you disagree to end it, very well.

So this argument was pointless? You brought up that you didn't like the way i worded it and that Cozy Glow wasn't autistic, and then you don't want me to change it? I have literally said that i believe Cozy Glow is most likely not autistic already, i'm asking for a wording change, if you don't want to give one, that's that.

She feels obsessed, she repeatedly lies, i'm not an expert on autism, and like i've said, if you want me to change the wording that's perfectly fine.

But weren't you the first to whine about political correctness? You whined about me using "Autism Victim", i never whined about political correctness, i'm pretty sure that was you the entire time.

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And it also made Tirek look like an idiot later, because he admits that he didn't thought his plan through of Cozy Glow draining all of the magic away, eventhough we should believe that Tirek is that big smart and mighty conquerer.

 

Honestly i believe it wasn't tirek being smart, it was discord being er...

Let me explain, Discord is intelligent, he doesn't have to have a plan, to make a plan, however, as is chaos, when something goes out of his plan and surprises him, he knows nothing of what to do, he's stunned, and panics, in a way he behaves like a child, easy to manipulate, shunned by consequences.

2 minutes ago, bwrosas said:

Overall the finale was pretty decent.  
 

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There were some funny moments, from Starlight's sarcasm, to Rarity's "Woah", there were very light-hearted moments.  Also, it was nice to see Cadance there at the meeting as well.

 

And I will say, that things really picked up in the 2nd and 3rd act of Part 1 and really picked up in the 2nd part.  

 

As far as Cozy Glow goes, as a villain, she was exactly what was needed.  A villain, that even in the moment was able to stay one step ahead, except when she disrespected the Tree of Harmony.

 

Now as far as punishment, Some may agree with it and some will not.  But let's be honest, yes Starlight and Tempest did things that deserve a sentience to Pony Alcatraz.  But question, did they attempt murder on several occasions and not give a darn, some will say "yes" and that's fine.  But were they willing to give friendship a second chance. The answer is yes. Especially when you understood their backstories.  

But what about Cozy?  Well let's see, she mocked what the elements were about, was going to let the Young Six and Starlight die, heck she was already technically killing Starlight by having her kept in that orb, tricked the Mane 6 and Spike into traveling into Tatruas and trapping them there., Drained all the Magic from Equestria, then try to escape to another school to continue her plan, and through all that, not once did she give a flying F*** about anyone but herself.

So yeah, I'd say she got what she deserved in the end.

 

Overall, again as I said, a pretty decent finale.

what you say?

 

5 minutes ago, Ganondox said:

 I’m not trying to twist your words, I’m just trying to stay on topic. Anyway, beliefs are NOT deliberate, but that’s beside the point. The point is that Cozy Glow didn’t say racist things because she’s actually racist, it’s to get her social leverage. For example, shutting down Smolder’s challenge to her legitimacy. It has nothing to do with her ability to act as a friend if she so desires. 

But you’re not argument they aren’t equivalent correctly, it’s the truth that matters. You took evil and called it autism instead and then argued that makes it less bad, but that doesn’t help. Instead it both legimitizes evil and vilifies autism. Since this has been clarified, let’s stop arguing about arguing as that gets no one anywhere. 

Your opinion is strictly personal to you. Your argument meanwhile is in a public space where it is subject to scrutiny. I don’t care what you belief and I can’t change how you feel, but I care about what you’re adding to a dialogue far greater than you where many people might be listening. See the difference?

If she’s not only not significantly socially impacted, but socially gifted, then why even label her as having autism? Having ambitions is not enough to make someone autistic. 

Victimhood requires a perpetrator, that’s why regardless of how much some with a disorder suffers they aren’t victims. The disorder is part of them, it’s not something sepperate that acts on them. But again, suffer is also a medical term, and many people on the spectrum are adamant that they don’t actually suffer in the way the term is commonly used. Sure, their abilities are impaired in some areas, but variation of ability is true for the entire population, not just those considered disabled. Two more things. If you’re trying to argue in favor of a group, don’t use language they would find offensive, regardless of whether you’re right it certainly doesn’t help your cause. Second, experts in a field also know the terminology a field uses, and as you admitted yourself you’re not an expert. 

35 minutes ago, Ganondox said:

I’m not debating whether or not she’s a model student with you anymore. She can pull it off to get what she wants, that’s all that’s relevant. Your belief that racism is a reflection of bad social skills is irrelevant to how autism actually impacts people.

(it’s very easy to be indeliberately racist, people do things without thinking it through and absorb beliefs from their surrounding culture)

I don’t know why you are going on about everyone with autism having to be like Cozy Glow as I said nothing of the sort. What I’m saying is that Cozy Glow’s profile is so far from autism that the fact you feel she’s autistic reflects a fundamental misunderstanding about what autism even is. If you can misinterpret autism, than so can other people. I’m here to correct that as autistic people are often confused for sociopaths despite being VERY different.

The fact the whole school didn’t suspect her makes it all the harder to belief that she’s autistic.

That filly nearly destroyed all the magic Equestria, and unlike Starlight Glimmer she did it deliberately, and would do it again. WHY is it wrong to send her to Tartarus while sparing Starlight Glimmer? What it boils down to is you argued that she’s more deserving of sympathy because she’s an autistic filly or something, I really don’t care to get into that argument.

No, that’s not what I was saying at all. I don’t care about your opinion, I care about the argument you made that you are trying to defend by saying it’s just your opinion. My issue is you essentially justified Cozy Glow’s evil by equating it with autism. That’s what you’re saying when you confuse using your friends as tools for self-gratification with not knowing how to make friends, the former is evil and the later is autistic, and then you write her off as more sympathetic than Starlight Glimmer. That’s bad on two accounts. Autism is no excuse for being evil, nor does autism lead to being evil. The fact she blatantly isn’t autistic makes the argument all the easier, but even if she was I’d being pointing out the fallacy all the same. Notice how I’ve also been making an argument about how sociopathy isn’t evil on the side, when she actually does display sociopathic traits.

No, it isn’t. Someone with autism could be as manipulative as Fluttershy, or Zephyr Breeze, or maybe even Rarity (though that’s starting to push it), but what Cozy Glow did is on a whole ‘nother level. Maybe she could boost herself by reading the The Prince or How to Win Friends and Influence People, but that can only get you so far. It’s not going to help her when she needs to improvise and she can’t because of neurological differences. She managed to not just win the favor of the crowd, but turn them on unanticipated rivals. That’s the nigh impossible part. 

Maybe because they aren’t victims of a crippling disorder? First off, people aren’t victims of any sort of disorder, that’s just a misuse of the word of the word victim. Second, autism is complex, and MANY people would take offense to your claim, people both on and off the spectrum. Unlike “autism victim”, “people suffering from autism” is medically correct terminology due to an alternative definition of suffering, but people WILL chew you out even for using that. The fact you use the phrase makes it clear you know very little about autism. 

Just now, Ganondox said:

Regarding her being a model student, DonManguz hit the nail on the end. The context is in regard to whether or not she’s autistic. Being deliberately racist has nothing to do with autism, and the fact she can get on Twilight’s good side while still being a jerk to others shows she has advanced social skills, not very autistic at all.

Everyone shares traits with anyone, that doesn’t mean they all have every condition. I fear people may use Cozy Glow in order to interpret autistic people’s behavior as having malicious intent, that’s why I’m cracking down on this.

She got the whole school on her side, that’s pretty masterful. It’s not merely that she lied, she lied effectively. That requires advanced perspective taking. If autism could be defined, the defining trait would be difficulty with perspective taking. What Cozy Glow did would be incredibly hard for someone with autism.  

I read your original post, your whole point was essentially that Cozy Glow is more sympathetic than Starlight Glimmer so why is she punished but not the later? Now it seems you’re trying to move away from that just to justify your opinion that Cozy Glow feels autistic, even though objectively she’s probably the least autistic character in the entire show.

I frankly don’t care about your opinion, we can just agree to disagree. I didn’t reply to persuade you, but to challenge your assertion for everyone else who was reading as your assertion had some nasty implications due to being based on false premises.

You missed my point with the analogy. I was a “so what” to your claim that autistic people can manipulate. What she pulled off here requires far more than just being able to manipulate, it requires being a master as the show established it.

Finally, I’d appreciate if you didn’t use the phrase “autism victim”, it makes it very hard for me to take anything you say about autism seriously. 

Why does stating that people are victims of a crippling disorder make it hard to take my points seriously? Is that just something you personally have trouble with or...

6 minutes ago, Pixel Dusk said:

Pretty cool episode, Cozy is an interesting villain which I'm sure we'll see again...
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1) Magical animals are literally animals fused with magic.
2) Tirek was back! (at least for a bit)
3) We now know the Student Six's elements!
Yuna = Honesty (I mean, she is pretty honest with her feelings)
Sandbar = Kindness (thought this would go to ocellus or yuna but fair enough)
Silverstream = Laughter (this was obvious)
Gallus = Magic? (I mean... ok?)
Ocellus = Generosity (good enough)
Smolder = Loyalty (perfect)
 

 

Just now, Ganondox said:

So what she’s said racist things? She doesn’t appear to actually be racist, she just uses it as a tool to get what she wants, and she hasn’t gotten in trouble for anything she said so how does that make her bad at what she’s doing?

Yes, she sees her friends as tools, but that has nothing to do with autism, that’s more of a sociopathy thing (though again I caution against equating sociopathy with evil). The reason you sometimes see claims that autistic people see people as tools says based on symptom of autism in early childhood called hand-as-tool. Bad theories about autism hypothesized that this meant people with autism viewed others as objects, but this is clearly not the case in many individuals. My believe is that the behavior is just a crude attempt at communication that makes no respect to taboos. 

Sure, a person with autism can manipulate, and someone who is legally blind can hit a baseball. That doesn’t mean you’re going to recruit them for the major league, only people with incredible vision get that far. Effortless manipulating so many people like Cozy Glow is like that for someone with autism. 

Cozy Glow had no concern about friendship in and of itself, it was just a means to an end for her. Sure, you can have your own interpretations, but it’s pretty clear that she is not intended to be a sympathetic character. 

I’m not digging back through the thread through every counter you made. If your opinion hasn’t changed yet, it’s probably never going to change. I was just addressing the one thing I found important to address is the last thing I need is people thinking autistic people are like Cozy Glow.

 

 

9 minutes ago, DonMaguz said:

She was a model student in Twilight's and the rest of the main characters eyes, even if they had shown to the audience that she really wasn't. She played Twilight amazingly by luring her with her own administrative skills, which Twilight saw as something really valuable about Cozy Glow's importance as a star student.

Just now, Ganondox said:

Just realized I made one little typo that Jeric seemed to base his entire response on. I wrote the modern definition is important, I meant to write the modern definition ISN’T important. 

idk man, not her fault if you didn't properly word it. And you DID call it a borderline deus ex machina.

Predictability can't be fully measured, it varies based on the person, so honestly, the argument about it being predictable is pretty much irrelevant and will easily rile up a toxicity feud.

If you've been out competed in an argument and use "I don't care!" as an argument you're pretty much arguing for the sake of arguing, but just don't get too heated up.

47 minutes ago, Ganondox said:

She wasn’t ignoring others feelings, she was using other’s feelings to get what she wants. That’s not autistic at all. She also wasn’t obsessed with anything in any sort of autistic manner, she was just power hungry. 

Yes, I’m sure, because she was a model student. She was great at friendship. It could be argued she didn’t understand the purpose of friendship, but that’s just a matter of perspective, she got what she wanted out of it so why should she care?

Countless other people have countered the rest of what you said, it would not be fruitful for me to go into detail when I’d mainly just be repeating others. 

14 hours ago, Ganondox said:

While I disagree with pretty much everything you said, the one thing I’m going to comment on is your claim that Cozy Glow feels autistic. I have no idea how you could come to that conclusion, she’s about as far from autistic as you can get as it would be nigh impossible for someone with autism to manipulate crowds like she did. Her problem is not that she doesn’t understand friendship (yes, I know what Twilight said, but context), she had them all fooled, it’s that she’s freaking evil. There is nothing autistic about that. 

I respect that you disagree with my opinion, however it'd be better if you point out everything else you disagree about, so that i can get a better understanding of your points.

To me, the movie felt mediocre, they've done wonders with EG, however this movie felt flat, a blatant piece of advertisement, Villain was a cringier tirek rip off (His previous designs were much better imo.), plot felt cliche in many ways, many characters were completely irrelevant, however other than that it felt likeable?

I could see how bronies and non bronies alike could have seen the art style in the Movie to be hard to get used to and unlikable, i personally didn't have too much of an issue with it.

To be honest i feel like they were anticipating a fantastic work of film featuring heavy lore patching and fantastic, enjoyable moments, and the movie disappointed them.

To me, aside from season 8 both have been great, just that the fact that inexperienced writers without a proper understanding of the characters are being put to write episodes, which spoil the episode's value.

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Starlight was sorry for her actions. Cozy wasn't. That's huge difference. And Tartarus isn't really a hell. Just magical prison. And she will calm a little bit there.

And why should she protect herself? Cage protects her from Cerberus. If she was an unicorn her magic would have to be silenced or something. She could escape otherwise.

Somepony grew faster than the others. I always thought that while age when someone is considered mature is useful in the eyes of law it's stupid in any other. Some will became adults at that age, some will sooner, some will later. What it have do with Cozy? Well, you said child do not care for consequences. Yet she knew that suggesting RM7 Tirek will result in their trip to Tartarus. One may say Tirek influenced her in many ways but she wrote to him. Even before she was in allegiance with other villains. And still smart enough to not being caught for such a long time. She clearly sees consequences. Hence her cutie mark. And her age? Let's see... how old could CMC be? 14 now? Less? More? She's in similar age. One's look may be pretty deceiving. And looking young works in her advantage. 

Really, she's genius. Using crowd to do dirty job. She knew what she need to say, when she need to do it.

 

5 minutes ago, Clever Hoof said:

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Am I the only one who wondered how sun could rise when magic was gone? Celestia wasn't using magic later but sun rised like nothing happened. Also why pegasi could fly? When Tirek drained their magic they couldn't.  How Starswirl knew that they have three days? If somehow Celestia could manage to raise sun why she have done this? I mean no sun rising = no day = everything's fine 'cause there will be no 3rd day. Huh? What do you mean by "time does not work this way"? Why did Ocellus didn't use any form of her magic? Was it drained too? It was drained only in Equestria?

Where was Discord? Where he was?! Was his magic drained too and he get stucked somewhere?

About Cozy Glow. How did you know? Some of you seemed to know it but how? I admit I was fooled. She was mastermind. Cunning, dangerous, not-a-unicorn. TBH I think it would suit her better if she was an earth pony. And I think I understand why she was sent away to Tartarus. If adult would have done things she did, they would be send to Tartarus without questions. But a child? Well, she clearly understands consequences of her actions and she acts like that on purpouse. It was all carefully planned. Usually innocence protects children and often they aren't even aware of the results of their action. This is way we treat them differently. And she knew. She's a child just in body. 

They could have done different things you may say. But what? Talk to her? She was too mad to do it right then. What, gave her extra friendship lessons? Crimes cry for just punishment. It's not like she's going to spend whole eternity then. She can be redeemed someday. 

 

Walking guards... They have pegasi. They could fly there why they didn't? They want all Eguestria to be doomed, right?

 

20 hours ago, Senko said:

Ok my views . . ..

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1) There's something weird going on with the magic here Tirek stole Pegasus and Earth Pony magic but cosy's scheme only seems to affect unicorn magic which is odd.

2) Poor CMC's just a throwaway joke. Same with Starlight being caught off camera and no Discord sigh.

3) With regard to Cozy's fate this comes back to what I've said before about age of responsability. As we've seen with the CMC's there does seem to be a bit of "if you have your cutie mark you're old enough to take responsability for things". The CMC's are being called in by adults to help with their foals cutie marks for example. So Cutie may be getting judged as an adult not a child in pony eyes.

4) Related to the above lot of people are saying its bad throwing a filly in prison for life but there's a few things we don't know. One is she there for life, for a period of time (it does seem to be the only pony jail) or just being held in a safe place until her trial. Ponies might be putting more emphasis on true remorse in judging someone than any legal methods and Cozy has shown she feels none as demonstrated at the end. Starlight and the others were saved by the flying members of their class but the magic just vanished for all we know dozens of ponies could have been injured or even killed by her scheme. They use a lot of magic in their construction work as just one dangerous field where a sudden failure could easily kill someone.

5) Tartarus was a bit of a dissapointment as aside from Tirek and the bugbear its pretty much all animals. Animals we've seen are capable of living free (everfree forest) or even being domesticated (the manticore bowing next to Trixie in her show). They could have at least had shadowy figures off in the distance. Also what is going on with letting young ponies be pen pals with one of the worst villains Equestria has seen?

6) Those school ponies have a LOT of apologizing to do, I see many remedial lessons in their future. Also everyone now know's about the sub basement with the friendship tree in it. We also know why his teleporting looked different it wasn't his magic doing it but an artifact.

7) Nice that Neighsay's apology came about as a result of being directly shown ponies can be evil and teaching other races about friendship can have long term benefits.

8) The student 6 trying to graduate as they saved Equestria puzzled me as well where was Spike getting those graduation scrolls from as Celestia was standing right there.

9) Interesting new filly with that rainbow hair at the start.

10 Cozy really wormed her way into Twilight's graces weird she had a student as an assitant.

 

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Yep I noticed that as well curious though it makes sense for her. Then again there were a lot of balls just floating around in random places which was strange as well.

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Another difference is Starlight's big revenge scheme was preventing Twilight and the others from being friends nothing more, when she found out how big a change that made she backed down. At which point only she, Twilight and Spike even know about it and Twilight says she's not a bad pony.

 

Cozy on the other hand tried to steal magic from all Equestria, committed treason and tried to set herself up as Queen. When she was stopped her response was "I will have my revenge and everyone knew it was her Including Celestia and Luna.

 

 

Just now, ShootingStar159 said:

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If this was the end to her story, I’d agree, but it clearly isn’t, so I’ll withhold judgement until I see more.

 

3 minutes ago, ShootingStar159 said:

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Let’s be real, the reason Cozy Glow wasn’t reformed is because the writers want to use her again as a villain in the future. And I’m sure the reason they locked her in Tartarus is because they have already planned out the stories for season nine and have her there for plot reasons.

 

Just now, ShootingStar159 said:

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I didn’t actually say she deserved to be thrown in Tartarus, I only said that the fact she sat through all those Friendship classes and all the experiences with the CMC’s, her teachers and her classmates points to a form of sociopathy or psychopathy, one that far more obvious than anything Starlight exhibited. I made zero judgements on whether or not she deserved that extreme a punishment, and I certainly never said it was funny.

 

Ah, i understood you wrong then, but.

5 hours ago, The Nth Doctor said:

Can we just celebrate that

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THE ROYAL GUARD WAS FINALLY USEFUL AFTER EIGHT YEARS

That alone makes this episode worth it