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Continuing the fight risks him killing the hostages, and even if he didn't, if you were worn out, you would not have had a chance in that situation. It's easy for people to claim Twilight Sparkle made an unwise choice in hindsight when they look at what could have been, but actually being in her situation is a different matter. If I were in that fantasy world scenario and especially if I were worn out from the battle at the point of the stalemate with Tirek, I would have to weigh up my options carefully, and agreeing to the trade would become a consideration, since I would become fearful about the likelihood of him offing one of my friends. Using your head matters just as much as using your fists, or in this case, hooves. If I continue the fight instead of accepting the trade, and he kills one of my friends as a result, then guess what? that becomes my own fault, moreover, I also lose my only chance to defeat him and all hope is lost. I don't push for an impossible outcome, because it simply is not a wise strategic choice.

Rainbow Dash in MLP FIM has her flaws @Night Sky however I have seen people treat each other worse in real life while not making any effort to change their behaviour, cultists who worship billionaires that support criminal behaviour and genocides. Even a domestic abuser is worse than Rainbow Dash, IMO. Rainbow Dash at least maintains solidarity with her team, she showed defiance against enemies like Discord in The Return to Harmony episode, she treated Scootaloo with respect despite her own insecurities or fears of not being able to fly. I don't believe she would sink to the cruelty shown in the fan fiction Rainbow Factory, that's not her at all. And honestly fan fictions like that paints a narrative of the Mane Six that is entirely unnecessary and dark in my opinion. Some fans may enjoy stories like that, but I find that fan fiction as messed up as the Little Ms Rarity fanfic, or the creepypasta story about Pinkie Pie being a cannibal being another one.

Fluttershy is my favourite of the Mane Six as you know, but if I were in that fantasy world of MLP FIM picking favourites to me would not feel right, and yeah perhaps there would be some Ponies I'd gravitate to more than others in terms of friendship or respect for who they are as an equine citizen, but that does not mean I would feel comfortable letting them all know. And I still think Rainbow Dash means well, she showed it in more episodes than I mentioned although I don't remember them all off with perfect detail, when I watched it I have seen Rainbow Dash show her loyalty to her friends that helped them maintain peace and security by defeating their villains. Rainbow Dash was too pushy in Dragon Quest episode, and I know Fluttershy did promise Rainbow Dash a favour in return for what RD did for her, but pressuring her to go on a dangerous trip to full sized dragons knowing full well she is afraid of grown up dragons, was out of line. So yes, sometimes RD does become brash and ego driven. But if Rainbow Dash did not have such an adventurous spirit, she would not have encouraged Fluttershy to improve her wing power in Hurricane Fluttershy episode. Her determination and act tough demeanour has been a valuable asset to the team on more than one occasion. Rainbow Dash also believes in the strength of her teammates, she does not give up on Fluttershy just because she is well, shy, she is aware that Fluttershy is stronger than she lets on, and that's what I respect about her.

it's easy for people to get caught up in their criticisms of Rainbow Dash and some of her questionable behaviour in other episodes, like when she blew up the weather factory in Tanks for the Memories, and I think if I were her friend in some fantasy in alternate timeline Equestria I would not be too happy about her behaviour myself, but that does not mean I would immediately cut her off from friendship, she does have redeeming qualities, she does not tolerate behaviour that puts the lives of her friends at risk as shown in Wonderbolts Academy episode, when Lightning Dust needlessly created a tornado to show off, even Spitfire agreed that was unnecessary and extreme. Also she scolded her parents in Parental Glidance episode for recklessly launching fireworks at Rainbow Dash and other Ponies flying with her. Some fans complained about RD doing that too, but I would be upset too if my parents did that to me, especially for something as stupid as flattery, I would have an argument with them about that the same as she did in that episode.

Like the episode of MLP FIM Hurricane Fluttershy showed, there is strength in numbers. Rainbow Dash was right to encourage Fluttershy to push herself, because every improvement and positive contribution helps.

Terrible, cannot sleep, up early hours of the morning and sleep deprived, again.

In a hypothetical fan crossover of the two cartoons, Mr Burns says "Smithers! get down there and steal the recipe for the krabby patties, we could make a fortune off of this!"

I see your point, however what else could Twilight Sparkle had done? Princess Celestia was trapped in Tartarus, along with Luna and Cadance, getting their help was impossible. Twilight Sparkle was on her own and she had tough decisions to make, the trade was not going to be possible at the beginning of their fight, however forcing Tirek into cowardice made that opportunity present itself, at which point, Twilight Sparkle had two options 1) Continue the fight, but in so doing, increasing the risk of Tirek getting desperate and threatening to destroy one or more of her friends, Twilight Sparkle probably thought this outcome was not only likely, but certain, which justifies her decision further, she may have been too tired to continue the fight for all we know, in which case she would have lost the fight if the fight carried on regardless, but if Tirek did not know this, the risk of him taking out one of the hostages is still a danger she did not want to chance. 2) Initiate the trade at the stalemate, while she did not know if her new magic would put an end to Tirek, at least they had a chance. Using your gun analogy, Tirek already possessed the gun, metaphorically speaking, so whether or not Twilight Sparkle gave up hers wouldn't have had an affect on the outcome if there truly was no way for her to stop him with her Alicorn magic, Tirek had the weapon both to use against his hostages and Twilight Sparkle herself. If Twilight Sparkle believed continuing the fight was too much of a risk she obviously had a good reason, Tirek had nearly all of Equestrian magic which made him extremely difficult to beat, and there are no easy answers here. You might have attempted to continue the fight if you were in her situation, but if you lost, you would have cost your friends their only chance to stop him.

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MLP FIM had a positive affect on me, and a friend who recommended the show to me. Helped me let go of my ego and embrace femininity, and when I did that, I treated people better and with more respect, over time I became more patient with people even if they were rude to me. And that did not make me weaker, it made me stronger, emotionally. While I still complain about things from time to time, responding with hateful comments is not helpful.

I agree. I've played flash games that are better than them ones.

Sometimes you have no choice but to deal with two highly risky options battle, it is a common problem in a war situation, military commanders know this, and we don't, or shouldn't, need to tell them how to do their job. Yes, in MLP FIM episode Twilight's Kingdom, Tirek could have killed Twilight Sparkle's friends anyway, but that would have been more likely if Twilight Sparkle had continued the fight, why? because Twilight Sparkle is an active threat in that scenario to him. Twilight Sparkle without her magic, Tirek saw no reason to destroy them because in his mind, he had already won, to him, it would be like hitting a helpless child, he saw no point. Coulda woulda shoulda is irrelevant, he got what he came for and he decided to move on. Disarming your enemy sometimes means tricking them into thinking you're no threat to them, it's called psychological warfare.

In summary, Twilight Sparkle in MLP FIM at least knows how to handle a hostage situation, as shown in Twilight's Kingdom episode. In Dragonball, Goku does not. That is one failing that I cannot overlook about that fictional character because it matters in a situation where characters are at war. Goku and his friends in both Cell and Buu saga were saved by plot armour, nothing else. Goku was less foolish in OG Dragonball, where he would try to reason with King Piccolo instead of pursuing a situation which could have resulted in Tien being killed. In DBZ, Cell keeps the Z squad hostage, and Goku's plan was to give Cell a senzu bean, which had a high probability of going badly wrong. Trusting Goku in Dragonball to deal with a terrorist is like trusting Hotrod in the Transformers 1986 movie to deal with Megatron who got Optimus Prime killed, and while it may pay off sometimes in the end, it only ever does so by luck and plot armour. Twilight Sparkle in My Little Pony Friendship is Magic episode Twilight's Kingdom chooses not to risk having her friends killed when the opportunity to avoid that outcome presents itself, as shown in her deal with Tirek, her magic in exchange for the safety of her friends, which then made it possible to defeat Tirek with their new power up. If her friends died, Tirek would have won.

As Yamcha said in Dragonball Z during the Cell games in English dub, "This is Cell we are talking about, who cares about being fair" right after Goku foolishly tosses a senzu bean to him so he can get his full power back to battle Gohan. No matter how fans try to dress it up, that was a poor strategy that relied on pure chance, of Gohan reaching SSJ2, at this point in the story Gohan is a child after all. Goku is a rubbish tactician, if he wants to buff himself up, do it in a sparring session with his friends, outside battles for the fate of the universe. Again, in that episode of MLP FIM, Twilight Sparkle winning the fight against Tirek was not certain, how do you know it was the more risky option? did you even pay attention to the damage their fight caused in those 2 short minutes? for all we know, there could have been civilian casualties off screen that we don't know about as a result of it being a children's animated TV show. Collateral damage is not a valid defence for war crime. We don't have the numbers, and I know I am going off headcanon here, but I would not be surprised if that battle alone led to the deaths of at least 100 Ponies in Ponyville off screen. If the fight had continued it is entirely possible Equestria would have been destroyed by the time their battle ended, and even if it hadn't, a detail you're forgetting is that if Twilight Sparkle did not pursue the trade for her friends who were held hostage, Tirek may have threatened to harm one or all of her friends in an effort to coerce Twilight Sparkle into backing off. Tirek could have killed one of them any time he wanted, then how would their rainbow magic defeat Tirek? that plan would be dead in the water, if Tirek had decided to kill either Rarity, Fluttershy, Pinkie Pie, Rainbow Dash or Applejack.

I'm not denying that fiction is meant to entertain, the point of the thread is that it is a good thing giants from BFG don't exist, because if they did we'd all be in serious trouble. On screen they are entertaining, and that is what keeps people watching, we would not enjoy this half as much if it was all slice of life where characters just discuss their relationships like a Soap Opera all the time. People are more entertained by anime such as Pokemon, Dragonball and One Piece. I don't believe I could ever get into One Piece although I know some people like it, a story about pirates, but it goes on for about 1,000 episodes I think. Dragonball, yes, it is entertaining to watch their battles sometimes, however character growth and plot inconsistencies are a problem which is why I am not drawn to that anime as much nowadays. I've seen far more incompetence from Goku and Vegeta in DBZ/Super than any of the main characters in My Little Pony. Twilight Sparkle would not let enemies reach full power just because she wants a challenge, she would do her best to avoid that outcome if at all possible. The only reason she gambled her magic in a trade for her friends with Tirek in Twilight's Kingdom in season 4 finale, is because it was her opportunity to outsmart him, she could have carried on the fight, but victory was not guaranteed, by that time, their battle had already taken out most of Ponyville, lots of property destruction, she did not want all of Equestria being brought down just to prove how mighty she was, she wanted the fight to end without further destruction. With DBZ characters it's different, Vegeta in DBZ up until end of Buu arc, did not really care about the destruction his battles caused as long as he showed his alpha male superiority, he was a terrible person, who should have learned from his mistakes in Buu arc, but didn't, remember that mistake he made in Cell saga where he let Cell get his Perfect form? does the same thing again with Buu, negating his character development, which left a lot of Vegeta fans upset, yes he did sacrifice himself to attempt to destroy Buu, but that outcome could have been avoided if the man with a big ego had listened to Supreme Kai who tried to mediate the situation, then Goku threatens him to give into Vegeta's demands, which was stupid. Even though MLP FIM world has its problems, I think I would rather exist in that fictional world as a Pegasi than our one. Queen Chrysalis in MLP fiction is dangerous, but even if humans didn't start a nuclear war, economic inflation and environmental damage are two things that are actively making people's lives miserable. Environmental damage does because it leads to situations like untreated sewage being dumped on shorelines and in rivers, which can and does make people sick. All well and good suggesting people should not swim in it, however when it is hot during a summer season, excessive heat can and does kill, and going for a swim does help bring your body temperature down, some people did take that chance, and sometimes they get away with it, sometimes not, then again, nobody lives forever, you or I could end up dead from a stroke tomorrow, so we got to appreciate life while we still have it.

Thank you, it has been said that Pinkie Pie shows symptoms of ADHD and I kind of agree, it was never confirmed, but the implication is there, which makes her acceptance into Mane Six better in my opinion. Despite all this, they consider her a friend and not a burden to dispose of and I think that is definitely an important lesson about kindness and inclusivity.

Is it wrong that I find Pinkie Pie's innocence endearing and sweet when watching My Little Pony? like I find it difficult to get mad at her when her playfulness stems from a genuine desire to make others happy and not to annoy? I know she has a habit of getting up in others faces too much sometimes, but fear of loneliness, as well as a desire to avoid boredom, is relatable. She kind of reminds me of Innocent Buu from Dragonball, after he spat out Evil Buu. Acts child-like, although Buu likes the simple life and does not wish to get too caught up in the petty distractions caused by other people, minding his own business, there is nothing inherently malicious about this. And similar to how Mr Satan keeps a watchful eye over Buu to make sure he doesn't do something destructive or careless in DB, in MLP the rest of Mane Six watch over Pinkie Pie to make sure she does not hurt herself or others during her antics, Fluttershy gently though visibly annoyed, tells Pinkie Pie that her confetti cannons scare animals, for example. But they want to have fun, that is relatable because who doesn't get bored? Honestly it feels like some fans want to have their cake and eat it too sometimes, in the first instance they want less fighting and more story telling about relationships, but in the other instance, they also say there is not enough action in how they deal with villains, like with King Sombra. We cannot have it both ways, sometimes relationships does mean dealing with hyperactive individuals with a penchant for playful chaos, some people may think this is stereotyping, but fine, you want to pretend humans like this don't exist, be my guest, but I won't stand for that.

*Bouncy bouncy bouncy* Pinkie Pie playfully hops around, so cute.

Wow, the games in Action 52 are so bad. lol

Wondering why they don't just call "Snake Oil" items, a scam.