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  1. Now, MLP's taught a lot of great morals in its time. What morals hasn't the show taught, though? Do you think it'll ever tap into the world of non-friendship morals?
  2. Note: Because season five is halfway through, I edited the OP. One of the lasting elements of Friendship Is Magic's story structure is the moral. At the end of each episode, the audience gets to figure out what the final lesson actually is. Normally, it's said through the friendship report, but there are also secondary morals that often get lost in the shuffle. Over the course of the series, FIM has undergone a huge evolution in the morals they teach. Early, they were simple and occasionally clichéd. "Don't be stubborn and let others help you," "don't jump to conclusions," "compromise to get the best results for everyone," and "don't judge the book by its cover" are some of the more obvious from season one. But that doesn't mean there weren't always mature ones. "Don't assume she's a damsel in distress just because she's a woman" is possibly the most mature in season one thanks to Faust's feminist visions. That branched in season two thanks to the removal of the E/I rating, and the morals crept into some that are still absolute, yet a tiny bit mature. One of the best came from Hurricane Fluttershy: "Your contribution to a team and friends is always important, even if it's small." Season three kinda stagnated that with the exception of one: Sleepless in Ponyville. This episode kinda bludgeoned the moral of "face your fears," But that's merely a surface moral. The true moral is to not let your fears deter your relationship with others you care for. This is a very mature moral for this show back then because this lesson rings true for everyone. It rings true for Scootaloo. It rings true for me. It rings true for just about everyone else here in this thread. But if there's one problem about the morals, it's how absolute they often were. They had a very matter-of-fact tone and didn't offer any depth in case this kind of solution doesn't work. Some were two-dimensional, but they never got over that humph to make the moral very deep. This changed in season four. Right from the start, you had a guess that the direction of the morals was going to be really different. Instead of being totally absolutist, the themes and conflicts were deeper and more complex. More importantly, the morals were maturer, deeper, and occasionally grayer. There were extra layers in the conflicts and approaches to them, creating layers to the morals. Flight to the Finish's moral is fantastic. In essence, "No matter who you are, you're great as you." Because of Scootaloo's perceived disability, this was huge because it doesn't talk down to her nor the audience. Often, a lot of kids and adults with disabilities feel ostracized by society because of how society treats them. Western society has a very ableist tone. This moral and the overall treatment of it was a slap to the face to this dangerous culture. Rarity Takes Manehattan: Don't let someone's ability to take advantage of you cause you to abandon your biggest quality trait and, specifically, who you are. Suri used Rarity's biggest character quality — hr generosity — for her own gain without care for Rarity's feelings. When a lot of us are taken advantage, we feel reserved and question whether we should keep up with that trait, for trust is fragile. Pinkie Pride: Don't let your pride hurt others. Pinkie had every reason to feel jealous and discouraged because someone else came to Ponyville. Cheese not only had the same qualities as Pinkie's. But he can execute them much better. She learned her lesson once the piñata crashed on top of Dash. Breezies: Sometimes the kindest thing you could ever do may be the toughest solution. Toils: Actions have consequences, and rash and careless decisions risk hurting others. Think before you act. TT123: One way of learning may work for one person, but possibly not for someone else. Each person learns in their own unique way. This is my favorite complex moral of season four because it's also one of the best and presented in one of the show's best conflicts. What also makes this moral so complex is how much it legitimately affects everyone. Kids aren't the only ones learning this lesson. Adults learn it and understand it just as much. Kids and adults can really relate to a moral like this one. Equestria Games: Your biggest critic is often yourself. Although I hate how the episode's executed, there's no denying how great this one is. We all have our doubts, and we often criticize ourselves extremely harshly because we always feel we can do better. Although Rainbow Rocks isn't written well, their moral is also really good. It's okay if you don't have all the answers. Try to allow others to help you solve your problems. These complex morals aren't exclusive to the TV series, either. They're found in three Micro-Series issues. Rarity's tells you to set aside your personal discomfort to help those in need. Thanks to the overall theme, Pinkie's Micro offers one of the best morals in this series. Even if you can't possibly do them personally anymore, it's never impossible to continue to be involved in what you love doing. CMCs: Friends aren't toys. They have feelings. Never take advantage of them. Let them grow up at their own pace. Season five not only continued the trend of very mature morals. But they're even grayer than last year's. The Cutie Map: Friendships don't have to be like-minded. Every single one of us is different in one way or another. This two-parter used the cultish themes, Starlight Glimmer totalitarianism, and creepy atmosphere to help accentuate it. Castle Sweet Castle's morals are in relation to Twilight mourning her library. The first is simple: don't plug in your desires onto others. The second (to echo Voice of Reason): Home is really where your heart is. But the biggest one is the deepest: It's not the tangible object that makes your house a home, but the memories from within. Consider the fact that Twilight had to relocate because the Golden Oak Library was destroyed by a villain who wanted to kill her. Moving into a new home isn't as easy as you think it is. Because of the allegory of death, Tanks for the Memories's moral is related to death. Don't be afraid to mourn. Let all of your emotions and grief out. Don't keep your grief bottled up. Possibly the most complex of the season comes from Amending Fences. Like Toils, each action has at least a consequence, but it twists it very differently. Sometimes you think your actions are inconsequential. But you don't really know how your choices will affect others. Your actions might seem simple or petty to you, but they could really impact other people's lives wither for the better or worse. To help bring the moral home, the moral wasn't dictated; you had to figure it out through the conflict. Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep? revolves around the concept of self-harm. Luna tormented herself because she couldn't forgive yourself. This is followed by the moral similar to Equestria Games: you're your own worst critic. But they twist it by instead of being critical of yourself, it's about being able to forgive yourself despite having others forgive you. Prior, MLP's morals were very straightforward, black and white, way too vanilla, and oftentimes filled with unfortunate implications (like Princess Promenade's implications of friends not being equal if one's a princess). FIM still has the simple morals, and the implications still exist if the connotations are there. But there was more care in making sure the morals don't talk down to the audience for the most part. But once more, one of the biggest evolutions so far is the complexity of the morals in seasons. Quite frankly, it's something a family cartoon like FIM desperately needs. When you're delivering a complex moral in a show with a very young base demographic, you're telling kids, parents, and the entire periphery demographic you treating them like intelligent human beings. You're not talking down to kids when you're writing a mature moral. You're saying that they're just as capable of learning and understanding deep and mature morals as adults. Kids may not have the complex brain maturity that most adults have, but they understand respect: Three-dimensional morals give kids the respect they deserve and ups the overall quality of family TV altogether. Considering this franchise's dumbed down past, feminine background, very young base demographic, and family-friendly/gender-neutral atmosphere, all the more important. Hopefully, this experiment continues into the second half of season five, six, and the subsequent film. Kids deserve high-quality cartoons, and one way is to deliver and execute mature morals well. Young kids need these morals so they can grow into maturer human beings and look up to this show for guidance. I've said this often, and I'll say it again: Kids see fictional characters as role models, and having them learn well-executed, complex lessons will only help them. Likewise, their parents need family shows with mature morals so they can give kids the option to watch these shows and not worry about their kids' intelligence being dried out. So I have several questions: What do you think of the evolution of the morals in this show? What works? What doesn't? Explain. Are you looking forward to the idea of very mature and deep lessons in the second half of season five and beyond? What is your most favorite complex moral in Friendship Is Magic? Not moral altogether. Just the three-dimensional moral. Explain. What mature morals do you want FIM to show, deliver, and have the characters learn firsthand? How do you want them executed? Please provide examples of how the characters learn them.
  3. I don't know if its just me but I feel like the morals and messages usually get overlooked because most fans are more concerned about the Plot or character development. I feel like the messages and morals are one of the best parts about this show along with songs and characters. Most shows of this target audience have some kind of educational value. Maybe not on the same level as shows as Dora the Explorer but more similar to Arthur or Hey Arnold. I mean I feel like a lot of these messages are inspirational and the most memorable parts of this show for me. Does anyone else feel the messages in FiM are overlooked and deserve more credit?
  4. I've noticed that in recent episodes morals seemed to be gone and that the writers are just reiterating "be nice to people", they also seemed to be just giving general life advice as well. Do you think this is true? If so do you like or dislike the change? Do you think there are more morals they could have done?
  5. Well, first time drawing with a drawing tablet, got to say, It's easier than with mouse. Also, can anyone explain why I made this?
  6. One centerpiece of Friendship Is Magic is the moral. Every episode, movie, or comic has one, from simple (don't jump to conclusions, never assume the worst, don't judge a book by its cover) to complex and mature (sometimes the biggest critic is yourself; learning one method isn't better than another; your retirement doesn't mean you can't connect from what you love [the Pinkie Micro]). Typically, these morals are dictacted somehow, either in a report or journal. Sometimes a character will dictate the final moral through a voice over (Applejack in Apple Family Reunion or Spike in Equestria Games). But there are also times where the moral isn't explicitly stated, which is the crux of this topic. One thing about the lesson reports is how sometimes they're really…absolute. Some episodes tend to have not just a main moral, but a secondary one, too. But when you state a moral, the minor morals tend to get lost in the background or forgotten. This is perhaps one reason why I prefer season three's direction of them (and some of four's). Outside of three episodes, they're written or told in a monologue. Sure, you had characters tell the moral at times, but the secondary morals don't get pushed in the background. In Wonderbolts Academy, there were two morals: a difference between being reckless and pushing yourself too hard; being the best shouldn't come out of the expense of others. For Whom the Sweetie Belle Toils used "don't jump to conclusions," but the secondary moral is much more mature and really deep: "Actions have consequences, so think before you act. If you don't, you may do something you'll later regret." Pinkie Pride: "Seeing your friends laugh is more important than proving you're the better party planner" is the main moral (stated in T'sK1), but another includes don't let your pride get in the way of others' happiness. In my opinion, this is the biggest example. Even though Pinkie wrote the moral in the journal, you never hear it until the finale. By not stating it, it leaves the multiple morals ambiguous and equal to one another while not letting it overshadow the conflict. It's a hidden gem to I don't see talked about much, and it's a direction I prefer to see someday. So, how do you like your morals's presentations? Either explicitly stated at the end or not stated at all? And do you think FIM should experiment more with delivering morals more subtly like in Toils and Pinkie Pride?
  7. So do you have an idea for a really bad moral for this show, whether it's just stupid or a really horrible message post it here.
  8. Here's some questions I came up with today: Imagine yourself in a post-apocalyptic situation. This can be a zombie apocalypse, an extremely devastating world war, a pandemic wiping out most of humanity, maybe a widespread, devastating natural disaster, anything you want to imagine. Let's say this disaster ended for some reason or is not as pervasive as it used to be, and human civilization ended or nearly ended and the government fell. You survived through this apocalypse. If you had a group, they either all died or left you or something. Imagine what you want, but I want you to get this idea: You are a post-apocalyptic survivor, civilization has been destroyed or almost destroyed. The world is anarchic now with a much smaller population and you are alone. What will you do? You are alone and out in this wild, anarchic world to survive. Taking into consideration scarce resources, the fact that you can't trust everybody, your chances of survival, and more, answer these questions: How much will morals and ethics matter to you at this point? Will you try to manipulate, steal from, and even kill people to get what you want/need or more of what you want/need? Will you give things to anybody who asks (even if you need that stuff) and do as much as you can to help people? Something else? Where will you be? Will you be in a city, where there could be a bigger presence of people? Will you be in the countryside, where there would most likely be less people and you could grow food? Perhaps you'll be in the woods or jungle or something, where there would be more food but there could be animals that could kill you easy? How would you feel about groups? Will you try to go it alone and avoid people as much as people where you won't have to worry about trust or conflict or anything? Or would you try to find a group, where there'd be people to support you, solve problems together, even though there's the risk of being killed by someone, there being conflict, losing friends, and such? What about weapons? What would you carry? Let's be realistic and not pick any fictional weapons, rare weapons, and such. Think about easily accessible weapons. What would you carry and why? Think about weight, too. Feel free to discuss this and maybe give a critique of someone else's answers. Also, should I add a poll? Tell me if I should or shouldn't.
  9. Deus Ex Machina has been present in MLP since the beginning with examples dating back to G1 and while G4 has used it as of season 3 I have noticed an increasingly annoying overuse of deus ex machina. For those of you unfamiliar deus ex machina is a situation that seems insurmountable and nearly impossible gets a highly unbelievable/improbable solution out of nowhere. The elements of harmony and other things similar are while good examples of this were somewhat more forgivable with the show not having a heavy action focus. But in season 3 and to an even greater extent season 4 this has become so blatantly obvious as to be quite irritating. In the Crystal Empire two parter Twilight conveniently managed to master dark magic seemingly overnight which while we know she is a quick study and the element of magic this seemed rather convenient. And of course there is the princess of all deux ex machina's where Twilight became a "princess" in a rushed season 3 finale that had almost nothing to do with the season itself with only some vague hints like her "destiny" for example that could be interpreted as anything tying it together. The cutie mark switching idea and trying to master a spell even Starswirl The Bearded couldn't both had great potential but were executed unbelievable poorly. The situation was solved by fixing the problem which is understandable but the solution was because Twilight understood "friendship" and Starswirl The Bearded didn't making the lesson of the episode if you "understand friendship" and a teachers pet that you can ascend to the pony equivalent of godhood. In Rainbow Falls the fact that Rainbow Dash is a gifted flier has indeed been established but the fact that she is some pegasi Obi Wan Kenobi by being the only hope for Ponyvilles team to make it and so good that even the Wonderbolts want to use deception to steal her is completely ridiculous. Bulk Biceps or Macho Pony was a cadet at the Wonderbolt Academy and all of a sudden he can't fly? And it has been established on multiple occasions that Fluttershy is not one for crowds or public performances and yet she is on Ponyvilles team? The episode treats it like Rainbow Dash is the only pegasus in Ponyville that can even fly properly which again is ridiculous and inconsistent. We know Rainbow Dash is fast and has a lot of potential to make it into the Wonderbolts but while Rainbow Dash is fast so is Soarin and Soarin also has years of experience to back it up as well yet this episode treats Soarin as if he were completely incompetent. At the end of Twilight Time we saw the CMC all of a sudden master tasks Twilight tried to teach them that they had trouble with, tasks which they admit they haven't been practicing at lately. And in the latest episode
  10. OMG Fluttershy's a bloodthirsty carnivore! ROOOARR!!!! Well aside from that particular scene and a few others, MLP: FIM is known for its very "kid friendly" themes, which include a lack of blood, swearing, and obviously overtly blatant sex themes among other things. Unfortunately its neither consistent nor reasonable at times, considering their censoring of Derpy, questionable episode morals and role models, and equally overt and blatant examples of racism and bigotry that sadly have far reaching implications or aren't sufficiently addressed. Vegetarianism is one of those interesting areas that drew my attention. Not just ponies it seems, but also other sentient creatures seem to avoid the consumption of meat. Dragons might very likely consume meat, but the show successfully dodges that bullet by showing that the likes of Spike have a fond taste for gems and minerals. The show even manages to successfully avoid the discussion of alcohol by having ponies get drunk off salt instead: I guess that's the Equestrian version of the Salty Spitoon. Ponies of course are by no means pure herbivores. Not counting meat, they've consistently been shown to consume eggs and dairy products, among other things. A lot of fanfiction writers seem to gloss over this point, which boggles me. Apparently its so shockingly wrong for Twilight and co to realize that humans or any other species or society like Griffons kill and eat meat. Yet its perfectly fine for the ponies that they apparently round up certain animals and exploit them for their own gain, including food production. Let's just see the wiki's analysis of how Fluttershy, the Element of Kindness, treats her chickens: Domesticated chickens are seen for the first time in the episode Fall Weather Friends. Applejack and Rainbow Dash needed to escort a few baby chickens through the mud pile to the other side as one of the tasks of Iron Pony competition. In Applejack's case, they run away because too much mud was splattering on them, whereas Rainbow Dash safely carried them while protecting the chickens from mud with her wings. These farmland birds play a more prominent role in Stare Master. When they refused to go to chicken coop for sleep, Fluttershy "convinced" them to do so with her stare. Yes, kindness my ass, pardon my Equestrian. That's nothing short of coercion and duress to some otherwise helpless chickens. I'm not trying to be a bleeding hippie here, but that's not only rather hypocritical of the Element of Kindness, also considering she's supposed to be good with animals, but its a bit inconsistent with the show's vegan animal friendly theme. Of course if that were just all there was to vegetarianism on the show that would be the end of that controversy. But unfortunately it isn't. You also have characters like Daisy Jo the intelligent talking cow: And they're being rounded up, herded and ignored as if they were just slaves farm animals. Then of course you have questionable scenes like this: I'm not even stepping into the territory of mules, yet but really. I don't know who I'm angrier at for this sanctimonious duplicity, the ponies for consistently behaving like they live in a racially pure bubble, or Hasbro and the writers who make the ponies preach morals like friendship, kindness and understanding, tolerance and then pull of stuff like this and crass mule jokes (let's not forget this is from the same show that also tries to teach about race and stereotyping in society). It would be one thing to treat farm animals like "farm animals" for example, if they were portrayed as such. Its a whole different concept and standard though when those same animals can talk and interact intelligibly. Believe me too when I say I'm being critical. I am a big Applejack fan and yet despite that I find many of her interactions with other characters and species questionable. Coming from a show that seems so strongly concerned about promoting its image and "values" at times there really is a lotta horse shit that's smeared our ways at times. So much for promoting vegeterianism.