Why Are Bronies Disliked?

[Guest]

But doesn't the whole sh*t start with people being intolerant?

 

As you said before

 

They said it because they were intolerant in my eyes... they didn't like your "behavior" (I'm totally okay with that btw and would also be pissed if that would happen to me...) and said you're a shame and stuff...

My whole point is that you should not use the phrase "love and tolerate" if you want to get rid of people like this.

[TorqueEffect 112]

My whole point is that you should not use the phrase "love and tolerate" if you want to get rid of people like this.

 

I have not heard that term used since I joined the fandom over two years ago.

[Tigerpop198 696]

What is wrong with this fandom? Where to even start?

 

1: Brownies worship has been artists

2: Brownies like to clop to porn and love to talk about clopping on a regular basis.

3: They made MLP not safe to search on Google anymore

4: They cherish poorly written fanfictions

5: Some like to talk about mating of actual ponies

6: The glorious amounts of stupid everywhere.

Your kidding right. Your talking about, a slight minority there. Most fandoms do the same thing, but why are you targeting ponies. Never mind I know what your doing.

[Occasus 14]

My whole point is that you should not use the phrase "love and tolerate" if you want to get rid of people like this.

Ok, ok.

 

I'm new to all of this so I won't bother with all of this any more... gonna live my life like it is and with someone has a problem with that it's theirs and not mine...

 

By the way: I'm trying my best to execute that all the time...

Edited January 21, 2014 by Dr. Daniel Dash

[Guest]

I have not heard that term used since I joined the fandom over two years ago.

It's declining in popularity thankfully.

 

Now if we could start actually chastising people for doing things that are stupid, we'd be off to a nice start.

 

 

 

Your kidding right. Your talking about, a slight minority there. Most fandoms do the same thing, but why are you targeting ponies. Never mind I know what your doing.

 

I used to think that a lot of that was the minority... But now I'm not so convinced... I used to say that "you need to prove to me that they are not the majority", but now since I see it so often without even trying... I am more under the impression of "someone better actually prove they are the minority."

 

I mean if I recall, there was over 20,000 signatures to change the national anthem to the MLP theme... That's quite a big number... I mean granted there is probably over a few million bronies, but 20,000 does start to make one think.

 

According to this recent look at Rule 34: over 35,000 images for MLP have been submitted, making it the third most tagged thing on the site. However it is the first most searched thing according to Google results. Do you realize that Pokemon has over twice the images for MLP, yet it is not searched as much? That kind of paints a picture to me. What evidence do we actually have that these people do not make up the minority?

 

There is starting to come up more and more evidence that these people might not actually be the minority.

[zev_zev The outcast 415]

Dudes, you got me all upset, I came here hoping to get some " Love and tolerance", and you said that this no longer exists. But if it was once, why can't we back "Love and tolerance"? 

Edited January 21, 2014 by zev_zev

[Simon 4,554]

My whole point is that you should not use the phrase "love and tolerate" if you want to get rid of people like this.

I don't think anybody including you has the right to decide what type of person we should "get rid of".  Someone's racist?  Well that doesn't mean you should hate that person and treat them horribly just because they make a mistake.

 

Let me give you an example of what I mean.  I'm a law school graduate, and quite a few years back, there was a lawyer who was black and in addition to having his own practice did work for both the NAACP and ACLU.  That attorney got called for an ACLU case and gladly accepted.  The ACLU didn't realize his race at the time they asked him to take the case, but the case was representing the KKK in a freedom of speech action.  Yes, a black attorney who works for the NAACP represented the KKK.

 

Why am I telling you this?  There are bigger things to believe in than hate.  You don't just decide to push a person out of a community because they have beliefs you find disturbed or chilling.  Instead, why don't you try spreading a little love and tolerance? I'm not saying you have to like everybody, but if you quit treating someone like a human with feelings just because they have beliefs you don't agree with or understand, it's going to make it so the world can never move past hatred.

 

In short, I find it ridiculous that your way of dealing with a group that you find to be repulsive is to shut them out of a community that might be able to spread a little love into a hate filled heart.  I think that's the surest way to make sure they keep those beliefs and never change for the better.

Edited January 21, 2014 by Simon

[zev_zev The outcast 415]

What is wrong with this fandom? Where to even start?

 

1: Brownies worship has been artists

2: Brownies like to clop to porn and love to talk about clopping on a regular basis.

3: They made MLP not safe to search on Google anymore

4: They cherish poorly written fanfictions

5: Some like to talk about mating of actual ponies

6: The glorious amounts of stupid everywhere.

 

To prevent the spread of this, was created in Russia the order of the paladins, who tries to fight with all what you said. Unfortunately it is practically useless, we can't change people.

[Windseeker 546]

Because some men are leaking testosterone out of the pores of their skin that the very thought of another man liking anything that's geared towards woman makes their brain explode. I lost count how many times I been deemed a queer or fag for liking My Little Pony.

 

For some reason, I don't suddenly feel attracted to men when I watch the show; so Myth Busted.

[Simon 4,554]

Because some men are leaking testosterone out of the pores of their skin that the very thought of another man liking anything that's geared towards woman makes their brain explode. I lost count how many times I been deemed a queer or fag for liking My Little Pony.

 

For some reason, I don't suddenly feel attracted to men when I watch the show; so Myth Busted.

 

LOL.  No that's ridiculous of course you're attracted to men cause you watch the show.

Hey maybe that's a good experiment for myth busters... they can put two straight guys in a room with my little pony playing and see if they start clawing eachother's clothes off from MLP's masculinity depleting powers. 

[Occasus 14]

I don't think anybody including you has the right to decide what type of person we should "get rid of".  Someone's racist?  Well that doesn't mean you should hate that person and treat them horribly just because they make a mistake.

 

Let me give you an example of what I mean.  I'm a law school graduate, and quite a few years back, there was a lawyer who was black and in addition to having his own practice did work for both the NAACP and ACLU.  That attorney got called for an ACLU case and gladly accepted.  The ACLU didn't realize his race at the time they asked him to take the case, but the case was representing the KKK in a freedom of speech action.  Yes, a black attorney who works for the NAACP represented the KKK.

 

Why am I telling you this?  There are bigger things to believe in than hate.  You don't just decide to push a person out of a community because they have beliefs you find disturbed or chilling.  Instead, why don't you try spreading a little love and tolerance? I'm not saying you have to like everybody, but if you quit treating someone like a human with feelings just because they have beliefs you don't agree with or understand, it's going to make it so the world can never move past hatred.

 

In short, I find it ridiculous that your way of dealing with a group that you find to be repulsive is to shut them out of a community that might be able to spread a little love into a hate filled heart.  I think that's the surest way to make sure they keep those beliefs and never change for the better.

That was beautiful said... I think I got something in my eyes :'(

[Guest]

 

 

Well that doesn't mean you should hate that person and treat them horribly just because they make a mistake.

 

My brain... What... Did you... What? Seriously...?

 

We shouldn't hate people for being racist...? Racism is a "mistake"? What...? No. Racism is by far not a "mistake" it's disgusting, immoral, inhuman and you are a terrible person if you believe in true racism (I am not talking about racist jokes, but the thought that people who ACTUALLY believe that one race should be treated worse than another "superior" race).

 

 

 

The ACLU didn't realize his race at the time they asked him to take the case, but the case was representing the KKK in a freedom of speech action.  Yes, a black attorney who works for the NAACP represented the KKK.

 

That whole example is not really validating anything. He had the option to drop the case, just because someone chooses to accept intolerance doesn't mean that we all should have to. The KKK may be protected by freedom of speech, but that does not make their beliefs immoral and wrong. Nor does it mean that we can not ostracize them and not welcome them in places for beliefs that are hateful, discriminatory and ignorant as you can possibly get.

 

 

 

because they have beliefs you find disturbed or chilling.

 

There is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge difference between the beliefs of the KKK and beliefs that are "disturbing". Disturbing is if you wear a chicken suit and run around with a steel dildo. The KKK are not disturbing, they are morally wrong and hurting humanity as a whole with their beliefs. Please do not liken an entire race of people being put down and discriminated against for something they did not choose to bronies who want to look at MLP porn.

 

 

 

Instead, why don't you try spreading a little love and tolerance?

 

That is what got us in this boat in the first place. The people making this porn and doing these things take tolerance as approval. We should be intolerant at times when it is appropriate. That is not a good argument, and it's the same argument that allowed the problem to get this bad. It's the same argument that has been used to justify that one guy on Facebook who actually thinks he's MARRIED to a Twilight plushie. People tolerated it and even encouraged it. When people said he needs to see a doctor, people called them "closed-minded".

 

 

 

but if you quit treating someone like a human with feelings just because they have beliefs you don't agree with or understand,

 

I never said to treat them as inhuman. Please do not put words into my mouth.

 

 

 

In short, I find it ridiculous that your way of dealing with a group that you find to be repulsive is to shut them out of a community that might be able to spread a little love into a hate filled heart.

 

Has that worked thus far? Because this problem has only grown since the start of this fandom. I don't recall there being nearly as much porn when I first took a look at this fandom, there is certainly a lot more now than there was before, and the rate of its creation has increased significantly. Look at the stats above.

 

 

 

I think that's the surest way to make sure they keep those beliefs and never change for the better.

 

And tolerating their beliefs and telling them they are "okay" is going to convince them to change? No. They have not changed all this time, why would they suddenly now by doing the same thing?

[BassBrony 33]

We're easy targets. when i hated, i found bronies to be one of the easiest groups to bash on since it went against the social norm. 

 

We just need to laugh at ourselves every once in a while. At our core were adult/teenage men watching a little girls show, that's actually pretty funny 

[Guest]

I am seeing tons and tons of "it's everyone else's fault" from bronies here, but when does it stop being someone else's fault and become the fault of bronies themselves? When do bronies take responsibility for the hate that they receive? When does it become "not okay" to tolerate someone's behavior?

 

Once again: The evidence is pointing to the idea that these people are not the minority.

Edited January 21, 2014 by Guest

[Windseeker 546]

Another thing; there is a difference between "cramming something down someone's throat" and it just simply being everywhere. The reason for the countless amount of pony art on the internet is because the show brought much joy to us that we express it in some artistic form or manner depending on our other interests or perspectives. Hence, the so many crossovers and truckloads of pony media that fill almost every corner of the internet; its not our fault ponies are that damn multiverse compatible and lovable.

 

As for the rule 34; do keep in mind many bronies are hormonal teenagers who think boobs look good on anything, ponies will be no exception.

[Guest]

 

 

As for the rule 34; do keep in mind many bronies are hormonal teenagers who think boobs look good on anything, ponies will be no exception.

 

I was a teenager once. I didn't fap to cartoon horses. That's not really a good excuse...

[Strings 3]

I was a teenager once. I didn't fap to cartoon horses. That's not really a good excuse...

 

I'm a teenager now, and I don't fap to cartoon horses.

[Simon 4,554]

I'm not going to bother responding to everything you just said so I'll summarize.

 

1)  No, you shouldn't hate someone just because they're racist.  And certainly we're not supposed to.  That's an idiotic solution that causes a loop of hatred.  You hate people of a certain race, so we hate you, and then they hate us for hating them, and more people hate them for hating us?  When does the hate stop?

 

2)  No, I'm not saying their beliefs are okay, I'm saying that you don't hate a group of individuals just because of your preconceived notions about what those people are like.  Hey wait... isn't hating a group of people for preconceived and often incorrect assumptions about what they are like exactly what causes racism in the first place?

 

3) You really want to exclude people from places based on their beliefs?  So segregation but just based on beliefs instead of race? Gotcha. Maybe they should have to wear some sort of patch on their clothes so we all know they're racist?  Now should we assume their children and relatives are racist as well when we start grouping people for placement in racist individual relocation facilities or just bug their houses and observe them for any racist behaviors?

 

4) Who died and made you king of what people are and aren't allowed to think?  Sure I think racism is horrible, but I don't get to decide what people are and aren't allowed to feel.  One of the most powerful ways racism has been slowly eradicated over time is through freedom of speech.  When you start telling people they can't be racist, it makes it attractive.  People think that because it's forbidden, it must be something they want to have in their lives.  But as soon as people started telling groups like the KKK that they can feel free to have protests and say whatever it is they want to say, the groups started dying down.  They became ignored and died away.  If people follow your plan, it'll just increase racism and racial violence.

 

So yes, I'll be spreading love and tolerance.  Of course I don't want to stop you from whatever it is you think bronies should be doing, so if you want to say that we should ban racist people from being bronies because you don't want to be near them, then fine.  I'll love and tolerate your beliefs too.

[Windseeker 546]

I was a teenager once. I didn't fap to cartoon horses. That's not really a good excuse...

You said it yourself that pony r34 is one of the most searched topics on the internet; who do you think are the main viewers?

[Strings 3]

You said it yourself that pony r34 is one of the most searched topics on the internet; who do you think are the main viewers?

 

Well, it COULD be men past their teenage years, since a considerable amount of bronies are at that age.

[Simon 4,554]

Honestly, I could care less if every person on this forum looked at r34 and was a clopper.  There are much stranger fetishes out there than cartoon horses.  What bothers me, however, is not that things like R34 exist, it's that people outside the fandom assume that every brony is only involved in MLP for porn.  I think even those people who do look at r34 generally still got involved in MLP because they genuinely liked the show, so when you have things like what happened with Howard Stern where they made it sound like BronyCON was a place for people to get together and have horse sex in horse costumes and draw porn for eachother.

[Windseeker 546]

Well, it COULD be men past their teenage years, since a considerable amount of bronies are at that age.

The people supplying the art definitely are, I'm not going to make any examples out of fear of being bashed.

[Neon Fire 473]

I can definitely understand your friends' POV.  I don't like getting anything shoved down my throat, sometimes even in the fandom it happens.  And yeah, I don't really understand people randomly bringing into conversation a bunch of times "Oh guys and I'm a Brony!" yeah, okay, good for you, no one does really care, no need to bring it randomly into a discussion.  Unless the discussion is going in that direction, why bother bringing it up?

 

About seeing ponies everywhere, they can ignore it.  However, even being in the fandom, I honestly do not like everything being ponified, it's actually annoying to me.  And I even get people who keep asking why and don't understand, that's where the shoving down your throat part comes in.

[Guest]

 

 

No, you shouldn't hate someone just because they're racist.  And certainly we're not supposed to.  That's an idiotic solution that causes a loop of hatred.  You hate people of a certain race, so we hate you, and then they hate us for hating them, and more people hate them for hating us?  When does the hate stop?

 

Well what good does tolerating their hatred do? Also I never said to "hate" them, but to be intolerant of them. You can be a racist asshole, and any time you bring it up I will tell you what a racist asshole you are, but that doesn't mean I will put you in a dungeon and abuse you or go around spreading hatred about you. Just every time you bring your stupid views up, I will refute them and tell you how much of an ignorant idiot you are being.

 

There is a difference between intolerance and hatred.

 

 

 

No, I'm not saying their beliefs are okay, I'm saying that you don't hate a group of individuals just because of your preconceived notions about what those people are like.  Hey wait... isn't hating a group of people for preconceived and often incorrect assumptions about what they are like exactly what causes racism in the first place?

 

 

I am not saying to hate them first of all. I am saying to be intolerant of them. However there is a big difference between "preconceived notions" and factual things. In the argument of racists, I am not basing my intolerance off of pre-conceived notions, I'm basing it off of what they actually are. You can't be a racist unless you believe one race is superior to another. That's kind of the base requirement of being a racist. You're likening it to being "misunderstood", or "a minority of  the group make up that part" when it's not the case. Every racist is a bigoted person. That's kind of the requirement of being racist.

 

 

 

You really want to exclude people from places based on their beliefs?

 

No, I am saying you have the right to deny people spreading hatred or immoral things that are extremely damaging to society. For example, I can ask someone to leave my store for being racist to my customers. That is what I am talking about.

 

 

 

So segregation but just based on beliefs instead of race? Gotcha.

 

No, please stop putting words into my mouth. I am suggesting heavily discouraging beliefs that are damaging or controlling such idiocy. In the example of bronies, you can be a clopper and whatnot, but don't be as in your face about it. Keep what you masturbate to to yourself and learn some moderation.

 

 

 

When you start telling people they can't be racist, it makes it attractive.

 

When has anyone ever been racist because they were told not to. I wasn't aware that the world was nothing but rebellious teens going against parent figures. I am pretty sure if I put a sign on my store that says to not make derogatory comments to my customers that people do not feel more inclined to do so. Maybe one or two people who are deranged will, but most won't just because I have a sign up.

 

 

 

 One of the most powerful ways racism has been slowly eradicated over time is through freedom of speech.

 

Racism was declined because we began many movements to get rid of it. We had many campaigns to heavily discourage it and punish people for hate crimes. I don't know where you got the idea that telling people they can be racist if they choose to be helped get rid of it.

 

 

 

But as soon as people started telling groups like the KKK that they can feel free to have protests and say whatever it is they want to say, the groups started dying down.

 

That is not why the KKK has declined at all. They aren't racist because it's "edgy" or "hipster" to be racist, they are racist because they are ignorant assholes. The reason people don't join the KKK as much is because education has taught us that racism is morally wrong and people are being told again and again that the KKK's beliefs are disgusting and wrong, and we aggressively push for that idea.

 

 

 

If people follow your plan, it'll just increase racism and racial violence.

 

Actually it's not my plan, it's the plan we have been following for years and it has worked in declining racism. You should read up on it, if you're a law student, you should already know that racism declined because laws were put into place that prevented people from discriminating black people and court trials set standards. Also there were many movements to aggressively take down racism. I am surprised you do not realize this to be perfectly honest.

 

 

 

 Of course I don't want to stop you from whatever it is you think bronies should be doing

 

I think bronies should just stop caring about people hating them. However if they want to fix being hated, they should try and fix the problem and accept some of the blame. However I think the more sensible solution is just to not give a damn.

 

 

 

so if you want to say that we should ban racist people from being bronies because you don't want to be near them, then fine.

 

I don't give a fuck if racist people are bronies. I care that racist people try to push their ignorant beliefs onto others and are allowed to spread them while people stand around and say "well it's their right to do so" when it's disgusting and hurting society. If you want to stand by and do nothing, by my guest.

 

 

 

I'll love and tolerate your beliefs too.

 

So you had no reason to argue against them in the first place? If you were going to tolerate my beliefs, why did you just spend the past few minutes trying to tell me they were wrong? That's not tolerating, that's trying to persuade me into following your beliefs.

[Deesinn 393]

In my siuation, I have not had any hate. I wear my blatent brony shirts very often ever since I became a brony. I go out every friday night to a different bar (mostly because I have to, because I get called in to play different gigs) but even the nights I go with friends for pure enjoyment, I've never got any hate, mostly intrest or casual questions. Even at the grocery store, or the mall. On the internet, I get hate, because you're not talking to me face to face, and people are hiding under avatars and masks. It does't bother me because I know if I was hanging out with that person irl, it would be differant.