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Is MLP too feminist when it comes to reforming?


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OK, FiM already had three villains who got reformed:

 

- There's Princess Luna who almost brought eternal night to Equestria

- There's Trixie who enclosed Ponyville and became a dictator

- There's Discord who caused chaos in Ponyville

 

So what's the difference?

Princess Luna and Trixie were quickly forgiven as if nothing happened, but to Discord who is male took more time to be forgiven to the point the Mane 6 kept the elements of harmony with them and intended to turn him into a stone again, they were more pending of him which never happened with Princess Luna and Trixie.

 

Hmm, what do you think?

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MLP is based off of feminism, as the main characters are all female, and occasionally the male gender is used in satire.

However, the male gender is also given equal importance in the setting, as Shining Armour is depicted as an important royal guard, Soarin' is depicted as an important athletic figure, Big Mac is given the look of a hardworking no small talk man, but not much more is given to the male gender.

The rulers of the land are both female, and the Crystal Empire is ruled by Cadence and there are more female characters than male (at least with important roles in the show and environment).

MLP is very feminist, but not too much as too feel as the male gender is being treated as less.

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Luna is the princess.  She was punished for a long time and now her punishment is up.  

Trixie was corrupted by the amulet, it wasn't so much her fault.

Discord was never reformed.  He half-heartedly pretended to be reformed.  He still caused chaos in ponyville, and even betrayed everyone so Tirek could enslave them.

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Luna was an exception because she was transformed into Nightmare Moon.  The transformation back into Luna made it clear that her feelings really had gone away.  Trixie is also an exception to the norm here because she didn't do anything nearly as bad as the big villains like Discord and Nightmare Moon and she had only been causing havoc for a short time, not over a period of thousands of years like Discord.  On top of this, she similarly was being controlled by the Alicorn Amulet so once it was off of her they knew she wasn't the same person.

 

Discord on the other hand is an entirely different character.  He wasn't be controlled by anything and didn't transform to be evil from what we know... his entire persona is the spirit of chaos and disharmony and it's all he's ever known.  He's been causing issues for well over a thousand years, so there was no reason to trust him.  When he did start to change, he continued to do little things wrong because you can't instantly change... to me, his genuine transformation happened at the end of Season 4, not in Season 3.  While Season 3 was the start of him realizing the power of friendship, it wasn't until Season 4 that he had really accepted anybody other than Fluttershy as a friend, nor the other way around.  So obviously he wasn't going to get forgiven as quickly.

 

To put it another way, Trixie and Luna had nearly instantaneous transformations that were very obvious to the naked eye, so they were easy to forgive quickly.  But for a character like Discord, there is no way to tell if he was really reformed and the reformation happened over a longer period, so it took time for them to fully forgive him.  I don't think it had anything to do with his gender it was just because of the way the character was written.

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Luna didn't get off easy, she was banished to the moon for a thousand years. What's more, when she stopped being Nightmare Moon, she was remorseful for what she had done. Trixie left ponyville as a laughing stock and had to scratch out a meager living on a rock farm to survive. After the amulet thing (which, because of the nature of the amulet, wasn't wholly her fault) Trixie, like Luna, showed remorse for what she did. I think those characters have surved out enough punishment, and seemed to want to turn themselves around.

 

Discord, on the other hand, trolled the mane 6 at every opportunity and never showed any sign that he recognized he ever did anything wrong. The mane 6 could have been more kind to him, sure, but he wasn't exactly helping his case.

 

This doesn't have anything to do with gender. It's just about how those characters acted.

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There's a grimdark fic for you. The matriarchal system of a Equestria gets so out of hand that the males are rounded up and put in cages where they are essentially vegetables harvested for sperm.

 

MLP does feminism right. Nopony is a strawpony. It empowers girls by just having girls be who they want to be. That's all you need. :)

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No. Do the ratio of male to females, percentage of each as an antagonist, and how each reformation would have affected the ratio of reformed to total gender population.

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This has nothing to do with gender. After Luna turned back into her regular self, she was a princess. So of course no one was going to be mad at her. Trixie, on the other hand, was a jerk but she asked for forgiveness. And it was given. Discord?? Discord didn't care about reforming or friendship or any of that. He's a Chaotic being.

 

 

You can also argue that Gilda, who is a female, hasn't been reformed, but Silver Shill who is a male, was.

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What is "too feminist" supposed to mean? Too much advocacy for women to be equal to men?

 

Anyway, there are some clear cut differences between these characters that have absolutely nothing to do with gender.

Luna didn't get off easy at all, dude. She was banished to the moon for 1000 years by the hand of her own sister. I wouldn't consider that "quickly forgiven, as if nothing happened"

Trixie was corrupted by an amulet and later apologized and asked to be forgiven. Sure, it was her fault for using the amulet in the first place, but the situation wasn't entirely her fault and did not cause as much havoc as Nightmare Moon or Discord.

Discord, on the other hand, caused complete chaos all over Ponyville without showing any signs of regret. He didn't even have any concept on the importance of friendship until Fluttershy said she didn't want to be his friend anymore.

None of this has anything to do with gender, just how they behaved.

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Discord is the single most "naturally' powerful creature in Equestria!

 

Tirek does not count because his power is not natural, He stole all of it. 

Twlight does now count because her power was given to her.

Crysalis does not count because she also stole it.

 

 

Discord has the power to manipulate reality at a whim. REALITY! 

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