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I feel the same way, but with EVERYTHING. If you like something, own it but don't flaunt it. /Poи3s, /sexuality, /religion, /all the things. Occasional references in casual conversation is okay (I try to encourage it) but making obscure bridges between talking about a puppy and then ranting about gay marriage and your beliefs on it makes me go Dafuq.jpg and then I roundhousethaface.exe and make you crylikeabitch.gif

 

Jk I wouldn't make you cry.

Liek ef u cri evritiem.

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I rarely go into my religious knowledge (just look at my posts on the forum) unless a topic calls for it and I am willing to put my two cents in a practical, grounded manner. However, because I have theological background, people IRL automatically assume I'm going to shove the Bible down your throat every chance I get. It gets really annoying, and people often either take me for a know it all right away (without me saying much of anything), or just want me to stay out of conversations pertaining to religion (neither of which makes sense). I got my degree for my own growth, and I don't really "flaunt it".  I do point it out when a conversation needs a practical ground before people start their one sided flame wars. But other than that, I stay out of religious arguments, or try to practically simmer things down as mediator using what I know.

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I consider myself non-religious. But if you try to push your religion on me, I will pick one and push it on you. If somepony wants to know about your beliefs, that's one thing, but just spouting them off is arrogant, and rude.

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When i was little, a bunch of orthodox jews tried to coerce me into a synagogue with candy. It made me suspicious when i was little, but now it's enough to make my blood boil. It made me doubt my faith, later on making me abandon it altogether.That being said, people shoving their atheism down a religious person's gullet is just as bad. 

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You can't shove atheism down someone's throat

 

Only psuedo-atheism (believing in a religion that contains no higher power which allows you to then "convert" people whereas logically you cannot "find no sufficient evidence" for something and spread your "finding of no sufficient evidence")

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You can't shove atheism down someone's throat

 

Only psuedo-atheism (believing in a religion that contains no higher power which allows you to then "convert" people whereas logically you cannot "find no sufficient evidence" for something and spread your "finding of no sufficient evidence")

 

I can see your point, i was talking about badgering religious people to forsake their faith.

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You can't shove atheism down someone's throat

 

Only psuedo-atheism (believing in a religion that contains no higher power which allows you to then "convert" people whereas logically you cannot "find no sufficient evidence" for something and spread your "finding of no sufficient evidence")

 

"You fucking idiot, don't you know God isn't real? There is no evidence, why are you dumb?"

 

You can shove atheism down peoples' throat. I'm atheist myself, always have been, but I dislike when people say things like this.

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"You fucking idiot, don't you know God isn't real? There is no evidence, why are you dumb?"

 

You can shove atheism down peoples' throat. I'm atheist myself, always have been, but I dislike when people say things like this.

Your belief at that point is that there is that there isn't a higher power than you (supposedly) because you do not have sufficient evidence to believe in one

 

You still have a belief rather than lack of one; that is to say, your belief is a declarative statement "There is no god" rather than " I don't find enough evidence for me to believe there is"

 

Difference in wording does sometimes actually mean the world's difference

 

but that's off topic isn't it?

 

On topic: Yes I hate when people do that. 

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That does bring up a good point. At what point is it considered "rubbing it in?" (Rhetorical question!) I only ask it because many atheists seem very divisive about their tolerance levels. Some draw the line at the rational point of someone clamming damnation for their refusal to observe faith.

 

Which is bullshit, by the by, living with God doesn't necessarily require you believing It exists.

 

Others, however, seem to get apoplectic at the mere expression of having faith. A friend of mine said he was once at lunch in the cafeteria and clasped his hands to say a quick prayer of thanks, some jerk slapped his hand on the table and told him to knock it off.

 

I will admit, I will be the first to defend the grounds of faith, religion (all religions), and spirituality when it is challenged; here and elsewhere. However, I do make it a point to say that I'm not trying to convert anyone to anything. Some of us find faith in our lives, others spend their lives searching for it, meanwhile still other never even search.

 

I'm not saying which, if any, are "correct." All I'm saying is that self examination and open mindedness, are the only things I try to convince people of.

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@@Steel Accord, I respectfully disagree, for my own reasons. I basically shun at everything spiritual, but that's just me.

 

That being said, i don't make an assertive effort in sharing my views for one reason - unlike the atheist who would aggressively bash at a theist, i don't wish my views to be associated with hostility, but with respect. A principle i live by is that everyone should arrive to their own conclusions about their life and their surroundings. If someone wishes to hear my views that's fine, but i find little use in trying to assault someone with them.

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Your belief at that point is that there is that there isn't a higher power than you (supposedly) because you do not have sufficient evidence to believe in one

 

You still have a belief rather than lack of one; that is to say, your belief is a declarative statement "There is no god" rather than " I don't find enough evidence for me to believe there is"

 

Difference in wording does sometimes actually mean the world's difference

 

but that's off topic isn't it?

 

On topic: Yes I hate when people do that. 

 

Doesn't mean you can't though. You can still push people to try to make them change what they believe and that really bothers me.

 

I dunno man, I kinda get what you're saying, but it doesn't change anything. It's still annoying when people run around bragging about being atheist, acting like they are geniuses or something.

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@@Steel Accord, I respectfully disagree, for my own reasons. I basically shun at everything spiritual, but that's just me.

 

That being said, i don't make an assertive effort in sharing my views for one reason - unlike the atheist who would aggressively bash at a theist, i don't wish my views to be associated with hostility, but with respect. A principle i live by is that everyone should arrive to their own conclusions about their life and their surroundings. If someone wishes to hear my views that's fine, but i find little use in trying to assault someone with them.

 

That's the same thing I say.

 

People should reach their own conclusions. If the've been raised on the Bible and know nothing else, how can they say they have faith? At the same time, how can one reflexively reject all religion brokering no argument that they are 100% right, without being just as dogmatic to a lack of dogma?

 

People's views should be respected and that goes both ways.

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I don't think God would appreciate that... /s

But in all seriousness, I'm a Christian and I think it's annoying when other Christians try to force their way of thinking onto those who don't think the exact same way.

Exactly dude I also am a christian and i hate it when my fellow church goers rub christianity in other people faces. Im a person who will mention it and if they deny it i leave it be.

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I'm a Christian but even I agree that that gets really annoying.

 

Especially Jehova's Witnesses. Ugh they are so annoying...STOP COMING TO MY HOUSE!!!

 

I agree with that. Jehovah's witnesses are the worst, they always wake me up and the stand at my door for so long. Stoooooooooop.  :P

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That's the same thing I say.

 

People should reach their own conclusions. If the've been raised on the Bible and know nothing else, how can they say they have faith? At the same time, how can one reflexively reject all religion brokering no argument that they are 100% right, without being just as dogmatic to a lack of dogma?

 

People's views should be respected and that goes both ways.

That wasn't the part i disagreed with anyway. I do understand you however, and actually share your sentiments. I also think that religion, or spirituality in general should continue to be debated because, well, nothing ventured, nothing gained (in terms of knowledge anyways). Those that advocate atheism by attacking theists (verbally or otherwise) are actually hindering their efforts because their views draw negative connotations when considered by theists.

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I am non-religious, and I think it's annoying when other non-religious people go out into the public and hate on other people because of their faiths.

 

I also think it's annoying when someone who is a part of a religion tries to force their values and belief system on me.

 

Bottom Line: Don't be a dick, let people practice whatever faith they wish, or not practice any faith. It's their choice to make, not your's.

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There are so many denominations of various religions and whatnot, so I don't like making blanket statements about Christianity, Judaism, etc.

 

I manage my reactions on a case-by-case basis; I know plenty of Christians that I consider "low-impact", i.e. they keep their beliefs to themselves (or at least only bring it up if it's necessary or relevant to do so) and we get along just fine. No one tells me I'm going to hell, I respect their right to their beliefs, the world keeps a-turnin'. Heck, even Christians that make their faith their defining characteristic are fine by me, even if I can find that sort of thing a little off-putting. That being said, I also know Christians that think homosexuality is destroying our society, try to convert me every chance they get, and deny science to a point that makes me grind my teeth in frustration. I have no problem telling these people that, while I respect their right to their beliefs, I in no way respect their beliefs themselves, nor am I required to do so.

 

I guess my point is that I don't think religious expression is inherently bad, but if your specific religion/ideology is obscenely out of touch with reality and society and you try to push it on other people, that's when I have a problem.

 

no you're just taking the piss out of Jehovah witnesses now about them waking you up early, they wake up early so they can pray at 6am on the dot

 

if its that much of a problem just dont answer the door, theirs no point in complaining about it on a public forum

 

you're still hating on them for what they believe in and that's bang out

 

would you make gaging noises for two men kissing each other?, i don't think you would so why are you saying "Jehovah's witnesses are the worst, they always wake me up and the stand at my door for so long Stooooooooooooooop" 

 

The issue I have with Jehova's Witnesses is their religion's main focus is on badgering people and trying to convert them. You can't really hand-wave it as "oh it's just their belief" since it's so dependent on interfering with people who aren't of their religion, and that if they aren't trying to convert every chance they get they're not following their faith. I worked with a Jehova's witness before, it was torture. I'm sure they can be perfectly nice people, but it's their dogmatic approach to conversion that I don't appreciate.

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