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A case for no government, anarchy misconception

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I think we have misunderstood anarchy. Now I am not saying lets become anarchist right away, lets examine it. Because government(Govern-MEN-t)  has done so much "good" since government began.

 

Babylon 

Assyria 

Egypt 

Norse 

Greece 

Rome

Great Britain and still Great Britain today who controls the EU

The United States 

China

 

Pretty much every world power has slaughtered an incalculable amount. Religion obviously failed and so has politics which has stolen culture, science, arts and in the aims of becoming a technocracy dictatorship we are seeing emerging.

 

I might sound foreign in this post. But anarchy is simply YOU are your own government. Let's be honest, if no government were around tomorrow. You would not kill or harm anyone. People just want to live and be productive. What humans do to another affects one another. Hate only breeds more hate and government only creates division.

 

Government has their flavors 

 

fascism 

capitalism 

socialism 

communism 

 

Ok pretty much all governments are feudalism, you become a collective in a authority cog to serve the interest of a select few. 

 

 

I think if we truly ran our own lives, we can thrive in society as SOVEREIGN human beings.

 

Have our own spiritual truths, kick religion out

Do your own farming, science, art, labor

Help others in need

Take care of the disabled 

 

We make everything so complicated. Now let the butt hurt commence.

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I believe it is Germany, not britain that controls the EU (tho i might be mistaken)

 

Thing is no goverment would be a Utopia but sadly it is not possible in the Human world. Take communism for example, it called for a world ruled by workers where everyone is equal and has the same rights. Again this sounds like an Utopia but it was never acomplished in our world. Rule yourself or communism would never be a option for humanity. Humans will always try to have more than the other and seize more power. That would mean that either one would eventually grasp enough power to seize control or civilization would fall. Humans NEED rules to follow otherwise terror would rule. Lets see France after the revolution. the goverment had no control and the "terror" followed. Another place to look at is Napoli (srry any napolitans reading this" where i understand from friends that visited or lived there that it is dangerous. I understand that there is an area that not even the police dares enetr as it is ruled by the mob.

Without an goverment to tell us what we can do and what we cant people would start doing whatever they want knowing that there would be no punishment. Even if there were some universal rules, there would ave to e an authority to enforce them in case they are broken... And then...by who is this authority controlled by. NOw don't get me wrong as a principle it is a perfect worl as communsim promised but it is not accomplishable in our world. Its our way of working, and sadly i doubt we will ever change.

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That sounds fantastic, except that if everyone had their own rules to live by, that would go sour very quickly.

 

I believe homosexuality is fine. My next door neighbout doesn't. His rules say I should die. My rules say I should live. No government means no regulation. Therefore, if he killed me for being bisexual, he's following his own rules, but breaking mine. Who's in the right here?

You'd have groups of people who follow their own rules sticking together, and staying away from those who believe differently. Basically, you have a load of tribes and no co-operation. Humanity's been there. It failed.

 

Also, I'm pretty sure Britain is doing its bets to stay OUT of the EU, not control it ;)

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That sounds fantastic, except that if everyone had their own rules to live by, that would go sour very quickly.

 

I believe homosexuality is fine. My next door neighbout doesn't. His rules say I should die. My rules say I should live. No government means no regulation. Therefore, if he killed me for being bisexual, he's following his own rules, but breaking mine. Who's in the right here?

You'd have groups of people who follow their own rules sticking together, and staying away from those who believe differently. Basically, you have a load of tribes and no co-operation. Humanity's been there. It failed.

 

Also, I'm pretty sure Britain is doing its bets to stay OUT of the EU, not control it ;)

Because it was government that created the issue of homosexuality pro or anti to begin with. Now look, to digress a bit. I'm investigating homosexuality and if it is natural ON MY OWN ACCORD! I'm not using the sources that contain bias. Meaning no religious sources or LGBT sources which pass off as pseudoscience.

 

I might be on the fence of homosexuality. But I am not for the harming of anyone at all. People think it's so complicated when it's really that easy.

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Great Britain and still Great Britain today who controls the EU

 

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Pretty much every world power has slaughtered an incalculable amount. Religion obviously failed and so has politics which has stolen culture, science, arts and in the aims of becoming a technocracy dictatorship we are seeing emerging.

 

Word powers have killed people.Therefore, we must get rid of them and have a system that is the exact opposite.

The world is black and white.

There are no neuonces.

If a system has provided us with countless of benefits and advancements, but has issues, we must abolish it instead of trying to fix it.

 

 

 

I might sound foreign in this post. But anarchy is simply YOU are your own government. Let's be honest, if no government were around tomorrow. You would not kill or harm anyone. People just want to live and be productive. What humans do to another affects one another. Hate only breeds more hate and government only creates division.

 

m8, people go around killing each when they KNOW that there'll be consequences. Do you seriously think that's gonna magically go away in a world where they could actually get away with these things far more easily? 

 

Human beings have been killing each other long before politics and civilisation as we know it came about. 

 

 

Have our own spiritual truths, kick religion out

Do your own farming, science, art, labor

Help others in need

Take care of the disabled 

 

> Until one "spiritual truth" contradicts another, of course. I think we all know what happens then.

 

> Implying that everyone in the world is going to be able to get hold of their own land to farm on. 

I'm sure that in a world where every man is more or less for himself, they'll be NO CONFLICT WHAT-SO-EVER OVER LAND THAT YOU NEED IN ORDER TO FEED YOURSELF AND THEY'LL BE PLENTY TO GO AROUND.

 

> Implying that everyone's gonna be good and empathetic enough to not turn this into a living nightmare, as well as take care of people in need. 

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As I have been looking for an opportunity to become a petty warlord, I would be totally for this.

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As I have been looking for an opportunity to become a petty warlord, I would be totally for this.

 

WarLORD???

 

Sounds to me like a status only a society with a hierarchy would have. Can't have that in anarchy now, can we?  :fiery:

 

 

Because it was government that created the issue of homosexuality pro or anti to begin with..

 

But you said that in this hypothetical anarchistic world, people could still follow their own spirituality and ideologies, so people can still kill people for being gay if their ideology says that that's what they should do.

 

Governments didn't create homophobia. It was ideologies (such as some religious ideologies, for example) that promoted those homophobic views, and those same views got injected or picked up by some governments/societies/powers. Ideologies like this can still exist (and will still exist) in an anarchistic world. At least now, we have many governments and societies actively working against homophobic agendas, and at least now, many societies impose consequences against homophobic attacks (and attacks in general).

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Also to add to my previous post most probably human progress will stagnate as there will be no authority to co-ordinate projects. Even if this happened and certain groups did manage to work together... what would stop others from interfering with those projects. For example, what would stop a group owning a oil deposit to sabotage people working on creating a new source of energy. Furthermore who will ensure your protection, gangs? Poeple need to feel secuure and will pay others for security meaning that we would've given up goverment for gang controlled areas. Now how about NOT getting rid of goverment but uniting the whole world under a single global goverment?

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WarLORD???

 

Sounds to me like a status only a society with a hierarchy would have. Can't have that in anarchy now, can we?  :fiery:

I'm sure I would get into lots of interesting discussions with people about the merits of self-governance that would end with me taking all their stuff and putting their heads on a pike.

 

Oh and also spend a lot of top helping the disabled because it's just the right thing to do.

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WarLORD???

 

Sounds to me like a status only a society with a hierarchy would have. Can't have that in anarchy now, can we? :fiery:

Armed mob's approved spokesperson then?

 

The problem with no government means that we will simply accept Mob Rule, which will eventually evolve into a government simply by existing as the Mob sets down rules for everybody to follow. At that point we will have a bunch of tribe-like groups that will either forcefully or peacefully join together to form more stable and far-reaching groups.

 

Civilization is our greatest and worst invention ever, it's part of what Humanity is since we are social cooperative creatures.

If I need some medicine for my father who is sick and someone else needs that medicine for the same reason, who gets it first and who has to wait? Why should one have what the other cannot if we're all supposed to share?

 

Sadly our governments are to corrupt or inefficient to unite the entire world, it doesn't help that there are a lot of barriers to such a thing happening like language and distance.

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Ok this is just turning to a liberal fest and no one is being respectful and mature. You people make me sick and I'm just going to report my own post. I'm not engaging in anymore debate topics, and I might not come to this forum anymore. Just immature liberal parasites who can't think for themselves ******** all of you who mocked me. I'm done here.

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how about NOT getting rid of goverment but uniting the whole world under a single global goverment
 

 

If you can cut though 2000 years of dogmatic religion and 10,000 years bloodlines, nationalities, sexual and racial identity being enough to spark wars over ... then it would be at least plausable. XD

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Ok this is just turning to a liberal fest and no one is being respectful and mature. You people make me sick and I'm just going to report my own post. I'm not engaging in anymore debate topics, and I might not come to this forum anymore. Just immature liberal parasites who can't think for themselves ******** all of you who mocked me. I'm done here.

That seems rather excessive when some of us were actually responding to the topic.

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If you can cut though 2000 years of dogmatic religion and 10,000 years bloodlines, nationalities, sexual and racial identity being enough to spark wars over ... then it would be at least plausable. XD

 

Thats the thing... it would be the best thing... But it is not acomplishable for us... Humans

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Ok this is just turning to a liberal fest and no one is being respectful and mature. You people make me sick and I'm just going to report my own post. I'm not engaging in anymore debate topics, and I might not come to this forum anymore. Just immature liberal parasites who can't think for themselves ******** all of you who mocked me. I'm done here.

Yeah, this is all just a liberal thing. That's why the GOP has that whole bit about abolishing government and religion in their party platform.

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Ok this is just turning to a liberal fest and no one is being respectful and mature. You people make me sick and I'm just going to report my own post. I'm not engaging in anymore debate topics, and I might not come to this forum anymore. Just immature liberal parasites who can't think for themselves ******** all of you who mocked me. I'm done here.

don't overreact... ppl are actually responding to the thread =)

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Ok this is just turning to a liberal fest and no one is being respectful and mature. You people make me sick and I'm just going to report my own post. I'm not engaging in anymore debate topics, and I might not come to this forum anymore. Just immature liberal parasites who can't think for themselves ******** all of you who mocked me. I'm done here.

 

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Anarchy is a far-left, ultra-liberal ideology. 

 

Pot kettle black.

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Yeah, this is all just a liberal thing. That's why the GOP has that whole bit about abolishing government and religion in their party platform.

Being mocked for regarding spiritual truth and some stoner lib-tard thinks he's intelligent and thinks I am talking about religion. All sects are horrible. But liberalism is zombieism. You might as well give your mind to another if you're a liberal. Liberals are for abortion, restricting everything and are a death cult. That's what we are today. A communist liberal zombie species.

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Anarchy is a far-left, ultra-liberal ideology. 

 

Pot kettle black.

Actually no. True anarchists are people who have high moral values. They simply want their freedom and want others to have theirs and know people can manage their own communities. Liberalism is political scientism, meaning the STATE is your parents and you are not your own. Liberalism is not what the title says. 

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Thats the thing... it would be the best thing... But it is not acomplishable for us... Humans

 

It can be done, but it would take something pretty damn game changing for people to do it. Something that will make people see how useless those old hatreds that divide us as a species are in a moment of dire crisis. It'll happen one day for sure, but how big the cost will be is the question.

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It can be done, but it would take something pretty damn game changing for people to do it. Something that will make people see how useless those old hatreds that divide us as a species are in a moment of dire crisis. It'll happen one day for sure, but how big the cost will be is the question.

Thing is that is very unprobable to happen... Take an exple of the "United States of Europe" idea... Join all the Eu in one USE and make countries become "states"... The moment the idea came all the "hate turned on with differences and history debates. Also people that are already in power would almost never agree to give up this "power" or accept to respond to a higher authority

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Anarchy is a far-left, ultra-liberal ideology. 

 

Pot kettle black.

I guess it depends if you're talking about "anarchy" or "anarchism". "Anarchism" is a philosophy that split off from socialism. "Anarchy" is just basically Thunderdome.

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Being mocked for regarding spiritual truth and some stoner lib-tard thinks he's intelligent and thinks I am talking about religion. All sects are horrible. But liberalism is zombieism. You might as well give your mind to another if you're a liberal. Liberals are for abortion, restricting everything and are a death cult. That's what we are today. A communist liberal zombie species.

What's wrong with thinking abortion is good? That not everybody agrees with your opinion about a good way to rule a country, doesn't mean their way is wrong. You seem to be a very firm believer in making your own choices, so I don't see where all this hate against liberalism is coming from

 

But that said, I don't think countries becoming an anarchy is a good idea. People will decide for themselfs what is good, and what isn't good, but because people all think differently, there is no way to set the bar for what's good and what's evil. And even if we would be able to determine what's good and bad, it will be almost impossible to actually punish those who do bad things 

 

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What's wrong with thinking abortion is good? That not everybody agrees with your opinion about a good way to rule a country, doesn't mean their way is wrong. You seem to be a very firm believer in making your own choices, so I don't see where all this hate against liberalism is coming from

 

But that said, I don't think countries becoming an anarchy is a good idea. People will decide for themselfs what is good, and what isn't good, but because people all think differently, there is no way to set the bar for what's good and what's evil. And even if we would be able to determine what's good and bad, it will be almost impossible to actually punish those who do bad things 

 

 

Because you're murdering another human. You also make excuses saying "well it's brain is not a human yet, so you can cut it and throw it away."

 

It's disgusting. You do realize 3 year olds can be legally aborted right? Disgusting.

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@@TheMarkz0ne, When you refer to liberalism... what exactly do you mean... the political system... a ideology, etc? 

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Being mocked for regarding spiritual truth and some stoner lib-tard thinks he's intelligent and thinks I am talking about religion. All sects are horrible. But liberalism is zombieism. You might as well give your mind to another if you're a liberal. Liberals are for abortion, restricting everything and are a death cult. That's what we are today. A communist liberal zombie species.

Actually no. True anarchists are people who have high moral values. They simply want their freedom and want others to have theirs and know people can manage their own communities. Liberalism is political scientism, meaning the STATE is your parents and you are not your own. Liberalism is not what the title says. 

Oh okay, so you're going with the incredibly nuanced political spectrum of Glenn Beck where as you move further to the left you approach Soviet Germany and as you move to the right we approach the Libertarian utopia that the ideologically monolithic Founding Fathers of the US were envisioning if you're just willing to read between the lines of their words.

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