A case for no government, anarchy misconception

[ponytheorist 181]

Because you're murdering another human. You also make excuses saying "well it's brain is not a human yet, so you can cut it and throw it away."

 

It's disgusting. You do realize 3 year olds can be legally aborted right? Disgusting.

I don't know what the rules are in America, but here in Holland, you can only abort a fetus until 26 weeks in the pregnacy, or something like that. Until that time, there is no brain activity, and therefore, no child or human in my eyes.

 

However, aborting someone who's 3 years old (I don't even know how that's possible) seems really wrong. I do think something should be done about that.

Edited December 10, 2014 by ponytheorist

[TheMarkz0ne 962]

@@TheMarkz0ne, When you refer to liberalism... what exactly do you mean... the political system... a ideology, etc? 

You've been nice so I will explain calmly 

 

Liberalism ie

 

materialism 

sophism 

moral relativism=nihilism 

statism 

[Andaasonsan 3,205]

You do realize 3 year olds can be legally aborted right?

What, really? Oh man I didn't know the grace period was that long. If I ever have kids they better not even think of mouthing off to me until they're at least 4.

[TheMarkz0ne 962]

What, really? Oh man I didn't know the grace period was that long. If I ever have kids they better not even think of mouthing off to me until they're at least 4.

Well thankfully you're sane and are against it. These stories don't hit the media and they will make excuses as to why they did it. Like if they have a disability such as downs some have been put down.

[Literally Snails 2,307]

Ok this is just turning to a liberal fest and no one is being respectful and mature. You people make me sick and I'm just going to report my own post. I'm not engaging in anymore debate topics, and I might not come to this forum anymore. Just immature liberal parasites who can't think for themselves ******** all of you who mocked me. I'm done here.

Maybe if you weren't so passive aggressive in your initial post, you wouldn't have gotten the same thing in response. Governments are necessary, and most people know that. If you're going to fight the uphill battle of convincing people otherwise, you've just given a perfect example of how not to do it.

 

I have nothing against you. I'm sure you're a fine person. But your world view is a little too simplistic for me.

[TheMarkz0ne 962]

Maybe if you weren't so passive aggressive in your initial post, you wouldn't have gotten the same thing in response. Governments are necessary, and most people know that. If you're going to fight the uphill battle of convincing people otherwise, you've just given a perfect example of how not to do it.

 

I have nothing against you. I'm sure you're a fine person. But your world view is a little too simplistic for me.

Governments have killed a total of billions... And you think that's fine and acceptable?

[ponytheorist 181]

Governments have killed a total of billions... And you think that's fine and acceptable?

When having anarchy, a lot of people will also die, because some (not all people, but enough) will take advantage of not having an government

[Lordav 3,426]

You've been nice so I will explain calmly 

 

Liberalism ie

 

materialism 

sophism 

moral relativism=nihilism 

statism 

So doesn't this make anarchism in many ways similar to commmunsim (the ideology not govt) 

[Literally Snails 2,307]

Governments have killed a total of billions... And you think that's fine and acceptable?

No. No one does. But it's better than the alternative. We aren't going to unite under one flag and sing kumbaya and anarchy would only make it easier for people to kill for the same reasons. I don't think that governments are perfect. No one does, but I never said they were. I said they were necessary. Governments do more than wage war and that seems to be what you're so fixated on.

[TheMarkz0ne 962]

When having anarchy, a lot of people will also die, because some (not all people, but enough) will take advantage of not having an government

That's not true. Who starts the wars over fabricated racial nationalism? It's two governments who brainwash the people into fighting themselves. Anarchists have rules. It's lawful to NOT kill, steal or harm anyone. We know that without a government. Rules and law are different.

So doesn't this make anarchism in many ways similar to commmunsim (the ideology not govt) 

They want isolation but commerce with people. You yourself as a human being and soul are Your OWN authority. But you know it's wrong to kill, murder, steal and do anything detrimental. We need to be examples onto other people, so they don't commit violent vices. 

[Andaasonsan 3,205]

Well thankfully you're sane and are against it. These stories don't hit the media and they will make excuses as to why they did it. Like if they have a disability such as downs some have been put down.

Could you give me an example of this happening?

[Hansel 1,511]

 

Actually no. True anarchists are people who have high moral values. They simply want their freedom and want others to have theirs and know people can manage their own communities. Liberalism is political scientism, meaning the STATE is your parents and you are not your own. Liberalism is not what the title says. 

 

 

 

I guess it depends if you're talking about "anarchy" or "anarchism". "Anarchism" is a philosophy that split off from socialism. "Anarchy" is just basically Thunderdome.

 

I suppose that strictly speaking, anarchism doesn't fall under liberalism, in fact it is a separate political idology. However, you'll find that most anarchists tend to have "ultra liberal" ideas, and sometimes even identify to some degree as a Liberal. The two are not mutually exclusive, but there tends to be a lot overlap.

 

Also, regarding the initial post:

 

> Implying that I'm a Liberal. 

Edited December 10, 2014 by Hansel

[TheMarkz0ne 962]

Could you give me an example of this happening?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/02/27/ethicists-argue-in-favor-of-after-birth-abortions-as-newborns-are-not-persons/

 

http://www.operationrescue.org/archives/daughter-of-abortion-activist-charged-with-murder-in-beating-death-of-3-year-old/

 

one is from pro abortion people, the other are medical quacks.

[Lordav 3,426]

That's not true. Who starts the wars over fabricated racial nationalism? It's two governments who brainwash the people into fighting themselves. Anarchists have rules. It's lawful to NOT kill, steal or harm anyone. We know that without a government. Rules and law are different.

They want isolation but commerce with people. You yourself as a human being and soul are Your OWN authority. But you know it's wrong to kill, murder, steal and do anything detrimental. We need to be examples onto other people, so they don't commit violent vices. 

Now my question was, if anarchists still have rules who will enforce them. For example we have police that is responsible to fight crime and is controlled by a central authority, the govt. I mean an option would be communities trying to track a criminal down but this isn't a very safe nor efficent method, look at the french revolution. I mean there are still people wh actually enjoy making others suffer, who would stop them if no law enforcement were present?

[ponytheorist 181]

That's not true. Who starts the wars over fabricated racial nationalism? It's two governments who brainwash the people into fighting themselves. Anarchists have rules. It's lawful to NOT kill, steal or harm anyone. We know that without a government. Rules and law are different.

But you see, that's the problem. Not everybody is an anarchist. So a lot of people don't live by those rules. And even though people know they shouldn't kill, it still happens! People are being killed on the streets while we're speaking.

 

And don't pin this on the goverment that they 'brainwash' their people. Nobody is brainwashing me. I don't even know how they are supposed to do that with the internet giving us all the info we need 

Edited December 10, 2014 by ponytheorist

[Silver Letter 1,830]

I've always supported limited government because many of the points made by the author of the first post is correct but anarchy might not work out for every sovereign human being. But at least it would be better than the opposite spectrum that the world seems to be barreling towards as fast as it can. I also dislike fascism and an all-powerful state, especially the cult like states that demand allegiance and all that.

[Andaasonsan 3,205]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/02/27/ethicists-argue-in-favor-of-after-birth-abortions-as-newborns-are-not-persons/

 

http://www.operationrescue.org/archives/daughter-of-abortion-activist-charged-with-murder-in-beating-death-of-3-year-old/

 

one is from pro abortion people, the other are medical quacks.

So you don't have an example of this actually happening then.

[TheMarkz0ne 962]

But you see, that's the problem. Not everybody is an anarchist. So a lot of people don't live by those rules. And even though people know they shouldn't kill, it still happens! People are being killed on the streets while we're speaking.

 

And don't pin this on the goverment that they 'brainwash' their people. Nobody is brainwashing me. I don't even know how they are supposed to do that with the internet giving us all the info we need 

The internet is almost being destroyed with all these control grab bills going around. Some passing, but most failing. 

Why do we kill? People want money to live easier and sadly have lost their conscience to their fellow humans. People kill out of grudges because of the imposing regulations we live by.

So you don't have an example of this actually happening then.

You do realize the top example is happening right? Of course the media is controlled and they don't want doctors being panted as the psychos that they are. for even conducting abortion of newborns in the first place.

[Lordav 3,426]

The internet is almost being destroyed with all these control grab bills going around. Some passing, but most failing. 

Why do we kill? People want money to live easier and sadly have lost their conscience to their fellow humans. People kill out of grudges because of the imposing regulations we live by.

there are parts of the internet called the Deep Web where the goverments have absolutlely no control over. so they can't erase all the information they dislike 

[TheMarkz0ne 962]

there are parts of the internet called the Deep Web where the goverments have absolutlely no control over. so they can't erase all the information they dislike 

Yeah and those people are doing a great service. TV has always been a bad source of information. The internet is turning into a bad source of information and people get confused over what they can trust or not.

[Hansel 1,511]

That's not true. Who starts the wars over fabricated racial nationalism? It's two governments who brainwash the people into fighting themselves. Anarchists have rules. It's lawful to NOT kill, steal or harm anyone. We know that without a government. Rules and law are different.

They want isolation but commerce with people. You yourself as a human being and soul are Your OWN authority. But you know it's wrong to kill, murder, steal and do anything detrimental. We need to be examples onto other people, so they don't commit violent vices. 

 

Reasons violence can (and will) break out in an anarchistic society:

 

- Land dispute 

- Resources

- Difference of personal morals and ethics

- Difference of spiritual ideologies

- Mental illness  

- Racism 

- Bigotry 

- Because some people just want to

- Power

 

In a society like our own, not only do people KNOW that it is wrong to kill or take advantage of another person, but they know that there are consequences which are very likely to catch up with them (unlike in anarchy, where you're more likely to get away with murder). 

 

If you really think that this hypothetical anarchistic world won't have any of these issues, and if you really think there will be no more violence, then I'm sorry, but you're idealistic to the point of self delusion.

 

The only way this would work how you want it to is if you re-write human nature. 

[TheMarkz0ne 962]

Reasons violence can (and will) break out in an anarchistic society:

 

- Land dispute 

- Resources

- Difference of personal morals and ethics

- Difference of religions!

- Mental illness  

- Racism 

- Bigotry 

- Because some people just want to

- Power

 

In a society like our own, not only do people KNOW that it is wrong to kill or take advantage of another person, but they know that there are consequences which are very likely to catch up with them (unlike in anarchy, where you're more likely to get away with murder). 

 

If you really think that this hypothetical anarchistic world won't have any of these issues, and if you really think there will be no more violence, then I'm sorry, but you're idealistic to the point of self delusion.

 

The only way this would work how you want it to is if you re-write human nature. 

I did a small edit for you, thank you. 

[Andaasonsan 3,205]

You do realize the top example is happening right? Of course the media is controlled and they don't want doctors being panted as the psychos that they are. for even conducting abortion of newborns in the first place.

The top example is some people in Australia posing hypotheticals to make a stupid point. That isn't something "actually happening".

 

We also must not be familiar with the same "the media" because a doctor "aborting" a three year old would be the wet dream of the "if it bleeds it leads" media I'm acquainted with.

[ponytheorist 181]

The internet is almost being destroyed with all these control grab bills going around. Some passing, but most failing. 

Why do we kill? People want money to live easier and sadly have lost their conscience to their fellow humans. People kill out of grudges because of the imposing regulations we live by.

Take Ted Bundy. He didn't murder because he needed money, or because of a grudge, but because he liked it. I would bet, that there are a lot of people who would want to murder somebody, but don't because of the fear they end up in prison. when that fear is gone, what's stopping them?

 

I think you're trusting the good of man to much. Religion isn't the reason so many people were murdered, but because some very smart people misused religion to get what they wanted. Same as with governments. They aren't bad, but there's often to less watch on what the higher ups in that system are doing. THAT is what needs to change, not to say: let's trow this system away

 

Humans are just evil when there are no penalties on what they are doing. Same in an anarchy, as in a government 

Edited December 10, 2014 by ponytheorist

[Hansel 1,511]

I did a small edit for you, thank you. 

 

 

> Ignores everything I wrote for the second time.

 

> Nitpicks a semantic issue which is more or less irrelevant.

 

> Assumes that spirituality and religion are mutually exclusive. 

 

> Assumes people won't fight over spiritual ideologies.

 

> Assumes that spiritual ideas can't evolve into a religion.

 

 

Cool.