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Do you agree with Starlight Glimmers philosophy?

Do you agree with Starlight Glimmers philosophy?  

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  1. 1. Do you agree with Starlight Glimmers philosophy?

    • Yes, despite what the show conveyed SG had a good thing going.
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    • No, it is all wrong and a horrible philosophy.
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Now some may say of course it was all bad, but just like today not all believe Communism/Socialism was bad so there may be some that think SG had a good system going. What do you think?

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Partially. It was an extremist act on a good ideal.

Her heart was in the right place in that we shouldn't judge others for the way they are, nor should we believe we are better than anybody else, simply because we believe we're the best example. But she muddled up the idea of equality and indifference. Whilst we shouldn't be so brash about ourselves, we should still take pride in our talents and personalities. That we should be ourselves, regardless of others - simply not use that pride as a way to believe we're better than everyone else.

 

She had the right idea, she was just going about it the wrong way. Also, I, unlike many, don't actually think this episode was tied to any anti-/communist regime. It was just a simple message about being who you are and being happy about having your skills and personality.

 

The events aren't so black and white, so I'd suggest adding a grey-zone vote, too. :P

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Partially. It was an extremist act on a good ideal.

Her heart was in the right place in that we shouldn't judge others for the way they are, nor should we believe we are better than anybody else, simply because we believe we're the best example. But she muddled up the idea of equality and indifference. Whilst we shouldn't be so brash about ourselves, we should still take pride in our talents and personalities. That we should be ourselves, regardless of others - simply not use that pride as a way to believe we're better than everyone else.

 

She had the right idea, she was just going about it the wrong way. Also, I, unlike many, don't actually think this episode was tied to any anti-/communist regime. It was just a simple message about being who you are and being happy about having your skills and personality.

 

The events aren't so black and white, so I'd suggest adding a grey-zone vote, too. :P

Everyone calling her a villain was a little extreme, she seemed to act more like trixie did; just trying to keep her ideals alive. Twilight and her friends to Starlight felt like they were a threat to that ideal. But as @@Unikitty, said, she just had the wrong way of going about it.

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I disagree because having everyone reduced to the lowest ability of everyone else is a good recipe for stagnation and slowly building resentment of what you once were.

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Some of the things she said were partially correct. However, most ponies would not agree with her methods. She most likely did it all because she probably did not like her cutie mark or wanted to be the only one with a cutie mark and therefore made up the whole story about how everypony will only be happy if they are all equal.

 

However, taking the cutie marks of ponies just makes them have no special talent and therefore they are good at nothing in particular. Now imagine all of Equestria like that. They would not be doing so well now would they?

 

Now if she wanted to spread equality by eradicating racism and promote tolerance among the three races of ponies (not that she needed to, Equestria looks like a really happy place I doubt there is any racism at all) that would be a good thing to do. Not removing everyone's cutie marks.

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While the basic principle looks sound, Starlight's total idea had little to do with that. Her general premise was control and manipulation under the guise of equality. She was willing to do whatever she could to keep her psychological edge over the other ponies; even if it mean locking them away for days on end.

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No, it completely destroys individualism and talent, that episode was classic Orwellian satire and criticism of socialism.

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No. I don't agree with Starlight Glimmers philosophy. I think she should be put in prison or be killed.

 

Those ponies remind me of newfoals from The Conversion Bureau. The smiles.... those smiles as Pinkie Pie said aren't smiles. Constantly smiling is a trait of a newfoal.

 

So, I don't fancy on becoming a zombie slave that mindlessly obeys their master.

 

Ponies like them either need to be cured of their mind afflictions placed on them or put down.... even by a bullet to the head.

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If you destroy individualism of the living being, you destroy creativity and when you destroy creativity, you destroy life.

 

What Starlight Glimmer really dosen't realize here, is the fact that her philosophy can be very damaging to Equestria. Not just for the ponies itself, but also for the world itself.

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The concept of individualism seems different for ponies compared to people. Ponies get their cutie marks and are more strongly to be locked into that skill/role and anything related to it for life. Unlike people who have more freedom to pursue a variety of skills/roles outside each other.

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Can you really trust the philosophy of a callous liar and hypocrite? 

 

As for her philosophy, the ideas seems to be that in order to have "harmony," all ponies must be "equal" to all the rest. This "equality," being the suppressing of who you are and that is something I'm not OK with regardless of the ideology.

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There's nothing wrong with equality. But she only wanted to control the ponies.

There's nothing wrong with using a special talent and being better than others in a certain field. But that doesn't make you better than the INDIVIDUAL.

I suck at sports. Is it selfish for someone who is good at sports to do the best they can? No. It would be selfish of me to force them to stop and I would just be oppressing their abilities. That's not equality, that's manipulation

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No and that's my biggest problems with the Equalist town, we were always suppose to be against them. The towns ponies were naive and gullible into believing Starlight (ie stupid for buying into her ideas) and Starlight was evil and out for power (whatever her motivation are/were, she was still portrayed as evil).  The only way you could sympathize with her views is if you look outside of this episode and have a general discussion on the principle of egalitarianism which would be like discussing the impact of the cell phone in a Star Trek conversation. (Note I am more in favor of egalitarian/socialist ideas in general) 

 

Secondly there is no cause for Starlight's effect.  In both Harrison Bergeron and Legend of Korra, the idea of the equalist was as a counter to other things.  In Harrison, it was the real world, with racial divisions, gender pay difference, wealth gaps, and dozens of different things that could make equality look like a better alternative, or at least one people might come up with to help fix these problems. (Nevermind the fact Harrison was superhuman. Seriously he could fly in the story)  In Korra, the non-benders were being repressed, as the government, police and gangs were all controlled by benders, so it would make sense for a disenfranchised people to rally around a cause that would help end the oppression they have and give them a voice, even if that did lead to an extreme.  With Starlight why come up with the equality movement? Unless Equestria is secretly an absolute sh*thole there's no reason for it, nothing for which it's suppose to stand counter to. Like I said before, it's a cause without an effect and so doesn't have any merits by which to stand on. 

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No. I don't agree with Starlight Glimmers philosophy. I think she should be put in prison or be killed.

 

 

That's very hypocritical of you. You don't agree with Starlight, meaning you believe that people who are different should be themselves. 

However, since Starlight is different than you, she should be punished? Please rethink this logic.

 

This is definitely a gray area subject.

I don't believe everyone should be equal, yet I also believe people should stay within the social rules.

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That's very hypocritical of you. You don't agree with Starlight, meaning you believe that people who are different should be themselves. 

However, since Starlight is different than you, she should be punished? Please rethink this logic.

 

This is definitely a gray area subject.

I don't believe everyone should be equal, yet I also believe people should stay within the social rules.

 

 

She wants to enslave all ponies' minds under her. Put chains on their minds.

 

So, I do think she should be put in prison or be killed.

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She wants to enslave all ponies' minds under her. Put chains on their minds.

 

So, I do think she should be put in prison or be killed.

Just like Cadence enforces love, and Twilight enforces friendship?  ;)

Arguably better ideas to force upon others... but still...ponder upon that for a moment  ^_^

 

But I digress, bottom line Starlight was bad news, and we agree on that.

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Essentially, I think the premise of equality is fine, but the way she goes about it was wrong. I do not agree with what she has done and said.

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She wants to enslave all ponies' minds under her. Put chains on their minds.

 

So, I do think she should be put in prison or be killed.

 

She definitely doesn't deserve instant imprisonment or execution. She deserves a trial, at least. 

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I don't agree with her philosophy but neither do I fully disagree, I saw someone say that she mixed up equality and indifference, I would say equality and sameness but hey :P anyway, she was definitely antagonistic BUT she wasn't a full villain in the way that Nightmare Moon, Discord and King Sombra were. I think that she started by thinking that she was helping and would only take the Cutie marks of those who consented, she seems like she would be persuasive to the regular pony so she probably just persuaded people that it was a good thing to do. When the mane six arrived she got carried away at the thought of having an Alicorn join her society and so she decided instead to forcefully take their Cutie marks while thinking irrationally, after this point she fell into a spiral of wanting more power and when she was overthrown went mad and tried to attack before escaping. She had good intentions but her ideas were too extreme, I personally want to see her reformed since she would make more sense being reformed but I think she needs to return as a more nomadic rogue character first, most of this is head canon and theories, also the last part is just an opinion, it could be very interesting since they left it on a cliffhanger where she escaped, so far Nightmare Moon was reformed, Discord was reformed, Chrysalis was covered in the comics but COULD return ,Sombra died but we did see the horn go flying and as shown earlier when end of his horn fell off it grew dark crystals in the crystal empire anything could happen there, and if I missed any other villains sorry :P 

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Not for the most part. I'm pro-communism, and even I understand that individal talants are a vital part of society. Her philosophy is more exteme egalitarianism.

 

Also, your poll options are a bit (completely) black and white.

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Not for the most part. I'm pro-communism, and even I understand that individal talants are a vital part of society. Her philosophy is more exteme egalitarianism.

 

Also, your poll options are a bit (completely) black and white.

I love your username guy, Top Quarks are pretty cool, I like Strange Quarks more, anyway, I like that people who would stereotypically agree with SG's views show clearly that they disagree, it is nice to see.

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No, I don't agree in the least with her philosophy. Everyone should have the right and chance to be equal, but the idea of an all-encompassing state of equality is inherently wrong. Here is the definition of equality: "the state or quality of being equal; correspondence in quantity, degree, value, rank, or ability." The definition of "equality" is everything we saw with Starlight Glimmer. In other words, call me crazy, but equality is just another euphemism for socialism/communism.

 

Starlight glimmer was manipulative and power-hungry -- period. Did anyone else notice that her home was separate and away from the rows of houses that everyone else lived in -- or that when she got angry, she called the town "her town" when before it was "our town"? Out of the heart the mouth speaks; she wanted everyone else to be "equal" but she didn't want the same for herself.

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@, Any time, fellow Elementary Particle-lover.

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Everyone calling her a villain was a little extreme, she seemed to act more like trixie did; just trying to keep her ideals alive. Twilight and her friends to Starlight felt like they were a threat to that ideal. But as Unikitty, said, she just had the wrong way of going about it.

It's not made clear whether or not she actually believes in her own philosophy; it's possible that all she wants is to be in power over others and made the equal town to achieve that goal.


I disagree with her. There's a difference between being equal and being the same; if she wanted to have everyone be respected equally, that would be one thing, but her way of doing it (By forbidding the exercise of talent) was wrong. And forcing others into her system against their will is just horrifying.

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It's not made clear whether or not she actually believes in her own philosophy; it's possible that all she wants is to be in power over others and made the equal town to achieve that goal.


I disagree with her. There's a difference between being equal and being the same; if she wanted to have everyone be respected equally, that would be one thing, but her way of doing it (By forbidding the exercise of talent) was wrong. And forcing others into her system against their will is just horrifying.

Now she isn't a villain by any means, you only want to see what you wish to. Everypony has their ways of getting what they want, Starlight just took the wrong approach; she could have just gone around Equestria and convince them of treating each other equally instead of of doing what she did.

 

Twilight had moments where she forced everypony into loving her doll to create a problem; but unlike Starlight, she realizes her mistake and tries to correct it. She fails at it and Celestia steps in to clean it up, this was by no means evil in any sense of the word.

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