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Before someone brings it up, yes, RR is a movie for little girls, and they can't put this sort of thing in the script. I don't care. I'm talking about the narrative, and nothing else.

So with that out of the way.....

Competing in a musical competition was totally unnecessary when you think about it. Twilight didn't need a counter spell. She had her friends, plus Spike, and one other person she could recruit who wasn't under the Dazzlings' spell (Vinyl). That's NINE against three.

So what stopped them from ganging up on them at the ass end of the school? If you knew there were three pieces of shit trying to enslave the world with their music, and you and your friends weren't affected by it, wouldn't the go-to solution be to kick their asses and smash their pendants?

It's not like the thought hadn't crossed their minds before. Even when you look at FIM itself, the Mane Six had actually planned to do that to Zecora when they thought she cursed them and tried to eat Applebloom. The Dazzlings would have been a cakewalk.

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Before someone brings it up, yes, RR is a movie for little girls, and they can't put this sort of thing in the script. I don't care. I'm talking about the narrative, and nothing else.

 

So with that out of the way.....

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Competing in a musical competition was totally unnecessary when you think about it. Twilight didn't need a counter spell. She had her friends, plus Spike, and one other person she could recruit who wasn't under the Dazzlings' spell (Vinyl). That's NINE against three.

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So what stopped them from ganging up on them at the ass end of the school? If you knew there were three pieces of shit trying to enslave the world with their music, and you and your friends weren't affected by it, wouldn't the go-to solution be to kick their asses and smash their pendants?

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It's not like the thought hadn't crossed their minds before. Even when you look at FIM itself, the Mane Six had actually planned to do that to Zecora when they thought she cursed them and tried to eat Applebloom. The Dazzlings would have been a cakewalk.

 

1. They needed everyone under the Siren's spell to hear the counter-spell to break their hold on them.

2. Force would be met with Force. The Siren's would use their mind control powers to compel others to attack and subdue the Rainbooms and then it would all be over. Subtrefuge was a plot point they referenced multiple times because they didn't want the Sirens moving against them.

3. No, the Siren's would not have been a cake walk. See point 2. I wouldn't be surprised if The Siren's were strong as hell and elite combatants. They're very old, you know.

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1. They needed everyone under the Siren's spell to hear the counter-spell to break their hold on them.

2. Force would be met with Force. The Siren's would use their mind control powers to compel others to attack and subdue the Rainbooms and then it would all be over. Subtrefuge was a plot point they referenfes multiple times because they didn't want the Sirens moving against them.

3. No, the Siren's would not have been a cake walk. See point 2. I wouldn't be surprised if The Siren's were strong as hell and elite combatants. They're very old, you know.

1. Or they could break their hold on the school by smashing the pendants. Whatever they sucked out of everybody to make them hostile would have to be released.

 

2. Not if it's in an unoccupied location. That's the whole point to jumping somebody. You don't want to get caught in the act.

 

3. I doubt they would run off after getting boo'ed and having crap thrown at them if they were that tough.

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1. Or they could break their hold on the school by smashing the pendants. Whatever they sucked out of everybody to make them hostile would have to be released.

 

2. Not if it's in an unoccupied location. That's the whole point to jumping somebody. You don't want to get caught in the act.

 

3. I doubt they would run off after getting boo'ed and having crap thrown at them if they were that tough.

 

1. They didn't know the pedants were even a factor until they were all ready destroyed.

2. Good luck menouvering the Dazzlings into such a place. They're not stupid. They could also flee if need be.

3. Doesn't matter how tough you are, would you enjoy being covered in food and gunk? They also lost their powers and singing talent as well as having had their entire plan explode in their faces. What could they have done with their toughness? Beat up the audience? This is just presumption on both our parts, though.

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1. They didn't know the pedants were even a factor until they were all ready destroyed.

2. Good luck menouvering the Dazzlings into such a place. They're not stupid. They could also flee if need be.

3. Doesn't matter how tough you are, would you enjoy being covered in food and gunk? They also lost their powers and singing talent as well as having had their entire plan explode in their faces. What could they have done with their toughness? Beat up the audience? This is just presumption on both our parts, though.

1. They could break the pendants regardless. Adiago told Sunset they "meant a lot" to them, so if she beat them down with the Mane Six, I could see them doing it just to rub it in. That's what happens when you piss people off. Sometimes an asskicking isn't enough.

 

2. The Dazzlings have been alone more than once in the movie. That scene in the dimly lit hall with Sunset shows they could have been followed and ambushed anytime.

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1. They could break the pendants regardless. Adiago told Sunset they "meant a lot" to them, so if she beat them down with the Mane Six, I could see them doing it just to rub it in. That's what happens when you piss people off. Sometimes an asskicking isn't enough.

 

2. The Dazzlings have been alone more than once in the movie. That scene in the dimly lit hall with Sunset shows they could have been followed and ambushed anytime.

You're starting to imply that the Mane 6-7 would act like villains themselves.

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They could break the pendants regardless.

Perhaps but I thought that the pendants were not something which could be broken by physical force alone. The counter spell was valuable because it was the only thing that could stop the siren's magic.

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Perhaps but I thought that the pendants were not something which could be broken by physical force alone. The counter spell was valuable because it was the only thing that could stop the siren's magic.

Adagio got alarmed and smacked Sunset because she wanted to touch them, so that's a good indication they're extremely vulnerable.

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Adagio got alarmed and smacked Sunset because she wanted to touch them, so that's a good indication they're extremely vulnerable.

I am not sure. Maybe they just didn't want Sunset to be suspicious. I've also wondered whether the amulets could be used by just anybody like the Alicorn amulet in Equestria. If stolen, could Sunset have been able to use the Sirens' powers against them?

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Star Swirl used a powerful magical artefact to banish three teen sirens to another plane.

 

A group of 7 female creatures? had to compete in a high school band tournament and bring out the power of friendship and harmony to finally defeat them.

 

… Griffons used beeswax.

 

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I am not sure. Maybe they just didn't want Sunset to be suspicious. I've also wondered whether the amulets could be used by just anybody like the Alicorn amulet in Equestria. If stolen, could Sunset have been able to use the Sirens' powers against them?

 

The Alicorn amulet gave Trixie magic abilities she never had. I don't think that's the case here. The Sirens aren't able to use magic in their human forms, so the pendants seem to have been made for them to channel it through themselves. They serve as a crutch, basically. The Dazzlings may depend on them, but they're useless for everyone else. 

 

Star Swirl used a powerful magical artefact to banish three teen sirens to another plane.

 

A group of 7 female creatures? had to compete in a high school band tournament and bring out the power of friendship and harmony to finally defeat them.

 

… Griffons used beeswax.

 

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I'm just saying it didn't have to come to that. The sirens have been depowered. They couldn't control the Mane Seven, so that left them open to an ass beating.

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I'm just saying it didn't have to come to that. The sirens have been depowered. They couldn't control the Mane Seven, so that left them open to an ass beating.

I do think you misunderstood. I was making fun of the pony approach while also alluding to Odysseus who was the original hero who confronted the Sirens. He strapped himself to the ship’s mast while his men were rowing past their island with wax in their ears. There’s also that other story with the Argonauts and Orpheus who nullified their singing with his music, but that’s really niche. In other words: any decent sellsword could just plug their ears, jump them, and beat them silly … Hm, I wonder how much those pendants would fetch on the black market?

 

Why didn’t our heroines do that? It’s hard for a normal group of teenagers to orchestrate a quick and stealthy takedown without jeopardizing their (lives?) bright futures with acts of vile delinquency. They’re magical pony girls, not Corvo Attano. There’s also the factor of other mind-scrambled students: if those thought they were physically attacking the Sirens to remove competition, those loonies would follow suit. Gods forbid the Sirens could actually manipulate them to attack the girls.

 

Why didn’t our heroines do that – Take Two: PLOT! Everything in this movie is stupid. Everything in this movie is dictated by the “battle of the bands” theme. All the characters needed to bend over and take it. No exceptions!

 

P.S: Sirens relied on the pendants even back when they were “terrorizing” Equestria. I’m pretty sure they could work for similar creatures.

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Before someone brings it up, yes, RR is a movie for little girls, and they can't put this sort of thing in the script. I don't care. I'm talking about the narrative, and nothing else.

 

So with that out of the way.....

 

Competing in a musical competition was totally unnecessary when you think about it. Twilight didn't need a counter spell. She had her friends, plus Spike, and one other person she could recruit who wasn't under the Dazzlings' spell (Vinyl). That's NINE against three.

 

So what stopped them from ganging up on them at the ass end of the school? If you knew there were three pieces of shit trying to enslave the world with their music, and you and your friends weren't affected by it, wouldn't the go-to solution be to kick their asses and smash their pendants?

 

It's not like the thought hadn't crossed their minds before. Even when you look at FIM itself, the Mane Six had actually planned to do that to Zecora when they thought she cursed them and tried to eat Applebloom. The Dazzlings would have been a cakewalk.

They were still teenagers at a school in a no violence human society which I believe is reflective of our society. They could be kicked out or even arrested for assault. In Equestria though there is no law enforcement and you can beat up anybody. Note how Fluttershy just beat the crap out of pony citizens in Ponyville without getting arrested. Surprisingly Equestria is more on "Might is Right" principles (Celestia being leader and being pretty damn powerful) and heck it's a lot more peaceful there than here.

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On the topic of the Dazzlings knowing physical combat, now I'm getting the image of something like Sonata knowing Judo, Aria fighting with pocket knives, and Adagio knowing how to pull off a mean bitch slap.  :lol:

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Why didn’t our heroines do that? It’s hard for a normal group of teenagers to orchestrate a quick and stealthy takedown without jeopardizing their (lives?) bright futures with acts of vile delinquency. They’re magical pony girls, not Corvo Attano. There’s also the factor of other mind-scrambled students: if those thought they were physically attacking the Sirens to remove competition, those loonies would follow suit. Gods forbid the Sirens could actually manipulate them to attack the girls.

 

Why didn’t our heroines do that – Take Two: PLOT! Everything in this movie is stupid. Everything in this movie is dictated by the “battle of the bands” theme. All the characters needed to bend over and take it. No exceptions!

 

P.S: Sirens relied on the pendants even back when they were “terrorizing” Equestria. I’m pretty sure they could work for similar creatures.

 
I don't think Applejack and Rainbow Dash would mind getting their hands dirty. In fact, I can see them planning the whole thing. Sunset Shimmer might feel a bit reluctant after having just been reformed, but I'm guessing that, just maybe, she still has some of that old bitch in her? I'm sure she would agree there are times when you have to be ruthless, even if it's just to protect your friends.

The others don't really need to harm the Dazzlings if they don't want to. They could just restrain them while AJ, Rainbow and Sunset body punch them, and Spike does all the biting.

As for the pendants, the sequence from Twilight's history lesson showed that those pendants were really a part of the Sirens back in Equestria. They just manifested differently in the human world.
 

They were still teenagers at a school in a no violence human society which I believe is reflective of our society. They could be kicked out or even arrested for assault. In Equestria though there is no law enforcement and you can beat up anybody. Note how Fluttershy just beat the crap out of pony citizens in Ponyville without getting arrested. Surprisingly Equestria is more on "Might is Right" principles (Celestia being leader and being pretty damn powerful) and heck it's a lot more peaceful there than here.

Sunset Shimmer should have been arrested after all the crap she pulled at the formal, but that didn't happen. They just made her fix the wall and the big hole she left in the ground. 

If the Mane Seven beat the shit out of the Dazzlings, the worst they'd get would be nursing them in the hospital. But if it meant foiling their plan, it'd be totally worth it.

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Everything in this movie is dictated by the “battle of the bands” theme.

 

There's your answer right there. It's a kid's movie focused on music.

 

The context of the movie is just as important as the movie itself. A well-placed bullet is probably the most effective way to deal with any problem, most other solutions are needlessly complex. Why are they used?

 

Because context. Also, killing the antagonists is the easiest route, but it's also much less interesting.

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Well, I'm sure nobody here who's gotten into fights at school thought of themselves as part of a kids' movie.

Context might be important, but so is having a legit reason in the story itself for the characters not to take the easy route.

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Just because a movie is about school doesn't mean it's a kids' movie. Hell, a lot of highschool movies aren't kids' movies.

 

The nature of EG's Earth and the meta of the 4th Gen MLP series makes their method legitimate. Violence is almost never considered the correct answer, because MLP is a very black-and-white show, like most kids' shows.

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I don't think Applejack and Rainbow Dash would mind getting their hands dirty. In fact, I can see them planning the whole thing. Sunset Shimmer might feel a bit reluctant after having just been reformed, but I'm guessing that, just maybe, she still has some of that old bitch in her? I'm sure she would agree there are times when you have to be ruthless, even if it's just to protect your friends.

 

The others don't really need to harm the Dazzlings if they don't want to. They could just restrain them while AJ, Rainbow and Sunset body punch them, and Spike does all the biting.

 

As for the pendants, the sequence from Twilight's history lesson showed that those pendants were really a part of the Sirens back in Equestria. They just manifested differently in the human world.

Optimal scenario: They somehow manage to covertly obtain the pendants through the use of violence. Yay!

 

Scenario 1: The girls corner the Sirens and start beating them. Some students see them and misinterpret it as an act of removing competition from the battle of the bands. Being all amped up with aggression and competitiveness that Sirens instilled them with, they pass it down to their respective teams, and suddenly the entire school is locked in an outrage of physical violence worthy of Newgrounds. Such outrage would probably also revitalize and strengthen the Sirens.

 

Scenario 2: The girls corner the Sirens and want to beat them, but Sirens manage to manipulate the nearby students to come to their aide, quickly turning the tides of battle in their favor.

 

Scenario 3: You take them out fast and clean using sedatives or chokehold techniques. I don’t think farm girls and pompous jocks know how to utilize this stuff, so your best bet is for Twily and Shimmer to slip roofies in their drinks and haul them off.

 

Would you risk it? Perhaps. But these girls/mares were not made to be this way. That is why you always have Deus Ex Machinas saving their flanks for a clean, child friendly finish unstained by blood and doubt.

 

Worst possible scenario: Sirens are actually competent villains, so they open a Patreon account and take it to YouTube and Tumblr where hatred, malice, and stupidity run free. If Mane 7 tried to stop them at some point, the Sirens could just accuse them of misogyny, dox them, and play the victims.

 

Pendants: I don’t think those are a part of Sirens, just your everyday magical belly button piercing. They are there to serve as a convenient rule of defeat. You can take it this way: writers were so unsure in Mane 7 victory inside 73 min that they had to nerf Sirens with these trinkets. Without them, the Sirens would just get up and try harder. Their natural ability could not be countered by some shitty deus.

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