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Should Princess Celestia be written out?


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There's a lot of threads that question whether Spike should be written out, for many reasons- many, according to the vocal minority- being that none of his episodes are good, because he's hated by the writers, and therefore deliberate sabotage, which makes him hated by the fans as well, because of how the poor guy is portrayed and repeat lessons. But I, personally think that Spike has grown, and still has a lot of potential, away from Twilight, and with her other friends, and mentor to the CMC, and backstory to be explored.

 

But what about Sunbutt? She no longer plays a role in mentoring Twilght, to groom her to greatness, now that Twi has reached her peak and has been designated (along with her friends) mentors, themselves, teaching ponies of the friendshi lessons they learned. It wasn't even Sunbutt who delegated the assignment, but the Tree of Harmony's map serving as lead director of the friendshp witnessing.

 

Not only does sunbutt no longer have any role with Twilight, but her interaction with Purplesmart's friends have been few and far between, and I suspect that no significant role for any of them, by Sunbutt, will ever happen.

 

Aside from maybe being shown to be putting more effort into bonding with Luna onscreen (I do want to see a Sisterhooves Social, or Family Appreciation Day episode around the royal sisters), or doing something with Twi and Shining Armor's parents, I think that any episodes trying to develop her character this late in the game (unlike Luna), without giving her a role to continue developing the mane 6, Spike, or the CMC, would be futile.

 

Without a role that influences the mane 7 or CMC (unlike Luna) in any way, (especially if Purplesmart was meant to succeed Sunbutt, as said by Faust), then what good is keeping Sunbutt aound? What potential is there for her?

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Tia is a great character and should not be written out.  She has enormous potential.  I don't understand why anyone would want to write out such an important character, the co-ruler of Equestia.  Yes, it's true that her role has nearly completely dimished, but that doesn't mean she should be written out.  Why not just write her back in!  And if anyone says that that's impossible, and that she's useless and that there's no conceivable way to write her in, then it's from a lack of trying, imo.  I'm tired of people labeling a character as "useless" simply because they haven't had an important role as of late.  That's just the way the decsions of the writers have gone.  It doesn't mean the character is useless.  The character can be written back in and given important roles.  A character is only useless if they are completely and universally hated by every single viewer, and this is not the case.  Tia desperately needs to be brought back.  I fear she won't, though.

 

 

now that Twi has reached her peak

Absolutely not true.  From a certain point of view, nobody ever truly reaches their peak, as there is always rooms to grow and learn.  But Twi has much to learn.  She has taken on a important role, but she is still just starting out in my opinion.  I really want some episodes where Twilight is at a loss for what to do, and Celestia actually helps and guides her, and gives her the benefit of her thousands of years of experience.  Will probably never happen, though.

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Write-out the literal co-ruler of Equestria that raises the sun every morning and doesn't really even show up much outside of times when it makes sense in the plot?

ordinary unicorns were raising the sun AND the moon, long before Sunbutt (and Luna) came to be royalty. Twilight has done it, too, before. No doubt, now that she had practice, she could do it again, especially considering that she could perfom one of Starswirl's time travel spells with no practice, no aformentioned knowledge of the spell even existing at all, back in season 2.

 

Not like Sunbutt is even needed to protect anything, anyway, when all she does is delegate the task to other ponies, and can't even go up against a Changeling queen without getting her flank handed to her.

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Cruel.

 

She is motherly, she is raising the sun, she is protecting whole of Equestria, she even had to banish her own sister onto the moon.

 

Just because she hasn't so much screentime, doesn't that means that she deserved any less attention than any pony else in this show.

 

....but thats just my opinion.

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No one will ever get written out of the show.

 

As much as people want Spike gone, or Celestia gone (Sunbutt is a stupid name) or Twilight Sparkle gone, or etc. they will stay.

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ordinary unicorns were raising the sun AND the moon, long before Sunbutt (and Luna) came to be royalty. Twilight has done it, too, before. No doubt, now that she had practice, she could do it again, especially considering that she could perfom one of Starswirl's time travel spells with no practice, no aformentioned knowledge of the spell even existing at all, back in season 2.

 

Not like Sunbutt is even needed to protect anything, anyway, when all she does is delegate the task to other ponies, and can't even go up against a Changeling queen without getting her flank handed to her.

 

She stopped both Discord and Nightmare Moon, and was willing to at least try and fight off Chrysalis, the only reason she gives others the task now is because the Elements chose bearers other than her after time and separation from her sister dulled her connection with them. 

 

Chrysalis had also grown obscenely strong before they fought, and was even surprised herself that she won. 

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I don't think she should be written out, i'd rather have her be more involved. I want her to be more than just a mission giver.

would you care to give an example of what kind of role that might be, in your head, that you want to see her play in the show?

She stopped both Discord and Nightmare Moon, and was willing to at least try and fight off Chrysalis, the only reason she gives others the task now is because the Elements chose bearers other than her after time and separation from her sister dulled her connection with them. 

 

Chrysalis had also grown obscenely strong before they fought, and was even surprised herself that she won.

 

you forget that Luna was there helping her vanquish the baddies like Tirek and Discord, until becoming bad, herself. But the thing is, luna has-like the mane7, been given backstory and development since episode 1, and while both sistrs had roles to play in helping to lead Twilight or the CMC, It seems Sunbutt, who's role it was to only lead Twilight, is over, while Luna's role is able to coninu, due to her not limiting herself to one pony, and her abilities allowing her to help with the dreams and subconsious issues of the CMC, Mane 7, and their friends, especially with her being more hands on than her sister.

 

Getting back to Sunbutt, aside from defeating NMM, when have we really seen her successfully defending her kingdom and the ponies she's supposed to protect? She's either done it with Luna, sent the mane 7 to do it, or failed when trying to go it alone (by all right, the mane 7 should be the rulers, if SOMEONE cant be arsed to defend her own subjects anymore)

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I can't really ascertain as to whether this is a legitimate suggestion or if this is a satire suggestion in response to people wishing for Spike to be written out. Simply put: are you suggesting this to stick it to people who dislike Spike by using their logic against them, or is this a serious suggestion?

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I'm not sure it is possible. How could you literally just stop mentioning the main ruler of the country? it makes no sense to take her out of the show until twilight actually becomes the main ruler herself. even then it would be hard, as she would surley stick around as an advisor. the only way to do it would be to kill her off, which i am not a fan of.

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Getting back to Sunbutt, aside from defeating NMM, when have we really seen her successfully defending her kingdom and the ponies she's supposed to protect? She's either done it with Luna, sent the mane 7 to do it, or failed when trying to go it alone (by all right, the mane 7 should be the rulers, if SOMEONE cant be arsed to defend her own subjects anymore)

We have roughly 1000 years of Equestrian history we know almost nothing about in which Celestia's role would have been most significant without mane6 and without Luna.

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We have roughly 1000 years of Equestrian history we know almost nothing about in which Celestia's role would have been most significant without mane6 and without Luna.

 

Not to mention that her subjects never started to rebel against her in the last 1000 years, because subjects who are content, don't rebel.

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Celestia has so much potential because we know so little about her background. Raises the sun every day + banished her sister because people paid more attention to her day than Luna's night + ruled over Equestria on her own after Nightmare Moon's banishment.

But why were these two rulers in the first place? Were they just there since the beginning of time? I don't think that goes well with what we do know so far.

Has Celestia never had any students similar to Twilight before? If she did: what happened to them?

Did she ever mess up as ruler? She might be extremely experienced now but all her knowledge couldn't've just come out of the blue.

Does she have family apart from Luna? I mean - Prince Blueblood, how does he fit in? And isn't she somehow related to Cadence?

Just because she's not Twi's mentor anymore that doesn't mean she can't teach her anything. None of the other characters are officially her teacher but she's learned a ton from them. :)

 

Also: That character design. She pretty

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I don't think it would be right to write Celestia out of the show, there's hardly been any exploration into her character other than the little snippets of what we already knew beforehand. There's been a lot of exploration into Luna as we were given highlights into her mental states having to do with Nightmare Moon and we've seen Cadance in her relationships with Twilight. Both of them are more often than not given more personal roles that pull away from their Royal duties. However, Celestia is given the exact opposite treatment. Whenever she's shown, Celestia is more often than not following her Royal duties. She's shown doing paperwork, delegating important events or focusing on her mentoring of Twilight. We've never seen her outside of that. It seems that the writers are holding onto Faust's original idea that Celestia be enigmatic and mysterious, but it makes no sense now that we know much more about every other Alicorn in Equestria.

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I don't think any character should be written out of the show, to be honest. They all have a purpose one way or another. Plus, writing out the prime ruler of Equestria sounds like a bit too much :P

 

If she does get any episodes (though I doubt it), I'd hope she gets more development with Luna. I loved their interactions in Slice of Life, seeing more sisterly interactions would be great. :D

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Celestia has so much potential because we know so little about her background. Raises the sun every day + banished her sister because people paid more attention to her day than Luna's night + ruled over Equestria on her own after Nightmare Moon's banishment.

But why were these two rulers in the first place? Were they just there since the beginning of time? I don't think that goes well with what we do know so far.

Has Celestia never had any students similar to Twilight before? If she did: what happened to them?

Did she ever mess up as ruler? She might be extremely experienced now but all her knowledge couldn't've just come out of the blue.

Does she have family apart from Luna? I mean - Prince Blueblood, how does he fit in? And isn't she somehow related to Cadence?

Just because she's not Twi's mentor anymore that doesn't mean she can't teach her anything. None of the other characters are officially her teacher but she's learned a ton from them. :)

 

Also: That character design. She pretty

I'd recommend reading the comics, and The Journal of the Two Sisters. It seems like Princess Celestia character development has been confined to the spinoff media. She has her own novel now too which I haven't read, but maybe there is character development in it or at least I hope so since I'm assuming that's the point of giving her a novel. Sunset Shimmer was a former student of her's, but I would be interested to know how many others she had. Over more than 1000 years, she has to have had a ton of students come and go, and at least a small percentage were probably taken under her wing.

 

In response to the OP I agree that Princess Celestia's role, at least in the main series, has been diminished. However, I don't think her presence in the series is damaging in any way. She will likely continue to make the occasional cameo, and she still has a role even if it's a small one. I will admit I've always kind of seen her as a bit of a Dumbledore type figure, and she does have the traits to be a potential tragic hero, but FiM is not really that kind of series and in the off chance it goes that route I am going to assume Celestia will have some kind of story arc leading up to it. I don't really see that happening though. I see Celestia's diminishing role as having more to do with Twilight stepping out on her own and relying more on the close bonds she has made with her Ponyville friends than any sort of commentary on what the writers think of Celestia.

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I'd recommend reading the comics, and The Journal of the Two Sisters. It seems like Princess Celestia character development has been confined to the spinoff media. She has her own novel now too which I haven't read, but maybe there is character development in it or at least I hope so since I'm assuming that's the point of giving her a novel. Sunset Shimmer was a former student of her's, but I would be interested to know how many others she had. Over more than 1000 years, she has to have had a ton of students come and go, and at least a small percentage were probably taken under her wing.

 

Oh, I completely forgot about Sunset Shimmer, you're right!

An entire novel dedicated to her does sound like it gives more information on her - I'll have to look into that and the comics. Just a little sad it's only the spinoff media focusing more on her.

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I can't really ascertain as to whether this is a legitimate suggestion or if this is a satire suggestion in response to people wishing for Spike to be written out. Simply put: are you suggesting this to stick it to people who dislike Spike by using their logic against them, or is this a serious suggestion?

not an ounce of satire from me in here. These are my honest opinions of her and her nonexistent role, now, as far as growth of the mane 7, and CMC are concerned.

When you limit yourself to ensuring that a single pony learns everything you can teach her, to acheive the goal of becoming princess, logicaly, what more can you do? Other than pulling a random new goal out of nowhe ete, that hasn't been shown to be a part of her plan, with no buildup, until the plot calls for it to be?

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not an ounce of satire from me in here. These are my honest opinions of her and her nonexistent role, now, as far as growth of the mane 7, and CMC are concerned.

When you limit yourself to ensuring that a single pony learns everything you can teach her, to acheive the goal of becoming princess, logicaly, what more can you do? Other than pulling a random new goal out of nowhe ete, that hasn't been shown to be a part of her plan, with no buildup, until the plot calls for it to be?

 

You act like this is damaging the show badly, eventhough it dosen't hurt the show at all.

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not an ounce of satire from me in here. These are my honest opinions of her and her nonexistent role, now, as far as growth of the mane 7, and CMC are concerned.

When you limit yourself to ensuring that a single pony learns everything you can teach her, to acheive the goal of becoming princess, logicaly, what more can you do? Other than pulling a random new goal out of nowhe ete, that hasn't been shown to be a part of her plan, with no buildup, until the plot calls for it to be?

Well, I'm pretty sure she still runs Princess Celestia's School for Gifted Unicorns even though we never see her do it or hear mention of it outside of her Micro Issue in the comics. Mentors in the field of education don't end their entire career just because one of their students moves on. Even if she doesn't find another really gifted unicorn to personally mentor for a while, she still oversees a lot of other students. She doesn't have to do that, as I'm sure her role as ruler involves a lot of boring administrative stuff, among other things (as evidenced in Princess Luna's Micro Issue).

 

The problem is, none of that would be interesting enough to show on a regular basis, so a lot of what she does goes on behind the scenes. In handling all of that stuff, with the occasional help from Luna and Cadance, she ensures that Twilight can go about her duties of spreading friendship without having to handle a lot of other stuff (though I do wonder if there is paperwork to be filled out every time). Mentoring Twilight has never been the limit of what she does. It just happened to be the most relevant to setting up the premise of the series in the first couple seasons, and the least boring.

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I like Celestia, but the people working on the show don't seem to. If they wanted to actually do something important and meaningful with her, they would've done it already.

 

Celestia is not a main character, so it's understandable that she is in the background most of the time.

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