news Britain has left the EU, your thoughts?

[Swifty 249]

I highly doubt that UK could save europe from Putin if he would take the gloves off for real, but that's offtopic ;-)

USA would have to save europe's ass again.

Edited June 26, 2016 by Swifty

[Concerned Bystander 2,903]

I highly doubt that UK could save europe from Putin if he would take the gloves off for real, but that's offtopic ;-)

USA would have to save europe's ass again.

 

You may have heard of NATO, which both the US and UK, in addition to the vast majority of EU countries are members.  The mutual defence clause of which has only ever been invoked once, by the US.

[Ruby Splash 100]

Ohhh, Well I'm British so i'm going to give my two cents, since they are worth more then two pennies now.

 

 

If we keep Scotland and northern Ireland from leaving us, then we will be ok for the future. In or out of the EU.

 

However if they both leave or one of them leaves, we will have alot of problems, and everything will be more expensive, since we will need extra taxes to cover all our public services, cutting them wouldn't be on the table anymore, unless we just got rid of all our public services.

 

Anyway I voted to remain, I was very sad that we left the EU, that was our insurance, and every pony knows you don't go anywhere without insurance.

 

 

I don't think we should leave on 51%, that's a joke. A very poor joke, if this was a general election, we would have a minority government. If you looked at the areas, Scotland and Northern Ireland said stay, England (not me) and Wales said to leave, that is 50% to me, just less people in Scotland and Ireland compared to England and Wales.

 

We shouldn't leave, If i was the PM i would say 51% isn't majority, we are staying in the EU. 

 

if it was a 5% or more, that's more majority then 2%. 

[Concerned Bystander 2,903]

Ohhh, Well I'm British so i'm going to give my two cents, since they are worth more then two pennies now.

 

If we keep Scotland and northern Ireland from leaving us, then we will be ok for the future. In or out of the EU.

 

However if they both leave or one of them leaves, we will have alot of problems, and everything will be more expensive, since we will need extra taxes to cover all our public services, cutting them wouldn't be on the table anymore, unless we just got rid of all our public services.

 

Anyway I voted to remain, I was very sad that we left the EU, that was our insurance, and every pony knows you don't go anywhere without insurance.

 

I don't think we should leave on 51%, that's a joke. A very poor joke, if this was a general election, we would have a minority government. If you looked at the areas, Scotland and Northern Ireland said stay, England (not me) and Wales said to leave, that is 50% to me, just less people in Scotland and Ireland compared to England and Wales.

 

We shouldn't leave, If i was the PM i would say 51% isn't majority, we are staying in the EU. 

 

if it was a 5% or more, that's more majority then 2%. 

 

Actually the result was 52% - 48%  (or 51.9 - 48.1 if you prefer).

 

Granted, a 4% split isn't much of a majority, but it is a majority.  Although a turnout of 72.2% is (sadly) considered very high, it still should have been a lot higher.  The young feel that they have been sold out by the old, but the turnout statistics appear to show that the young were sold out by apathy within their own camp.  If people don't care enough to get off their backsides and actually go to the polling station then they can't really complain when those that do, get their way.

Edited June 26, 2016 by Concerned Bystander

[Pripyat Pony 2,608]

@@Concerned Bystander, Plus a lot of the young, to quote a tired old cliche, don't know any better. The older voters, on the other hand, remember how life was before the EU got a stranglehold on the UK, and they want change. Ironic really, as it's always said that the younger generation are out for change, but in this case, they were happy to remain with the status quo. Also, to put it bluntly, the youngsters in university and college aren't out there experiencing the issues. They aren't struggling to get their kids into the local school, or to get a doctor's appointment, or to get a toe hold on the housing ladder. They're not competing in the job market with hundreds of foreigners who are happy to be paid a lower wage, cuz what they get here is still twice as much as they get back home.

 

The sad thing about all this is that it could have been prevented if those in power had just listened to what the people were saying years ago. No wonder that the working classes feel betrayed, and chose to show that they did by voting to leave.

[Ruby Splash 100]

Actually the result was 52% - 48%  (or 51.9 - 48.1 if you prefer).

 

Granted, a 4% split isn't much of a majority, but it is a majority.  Although a turnout of 72.2% is (sadly) considered very high, it still should have been a lot higher.  The young feel that they have been sold out by the old, but the turnout statistics appear to show that the young were sold out by apathy within their own camp.  If people don't care enough to get off their backsides and actually go to the polling station then they can't really complain when those that do, get their way.

 

Here the map of the overall results

 

 

Scotland was Majority leave, with NI split 60/40 Stay and Leave. This means they could go independent and stay with the EU while leaving Wales and England.

 

We shouldn't leave the EU if it's going to split Britain in two. 

 

I think David Cameron should let NI and Scotland have a poll, and ask them this question "Will you leave England If We Leave The EU". If the answer is Yes, We shouldn't Leave the EU.

 

it's that simple.

Edited June 26, 2016 by Ruby Splash

[Lunar Echo 10,335]

I swear, all these people in favour of further division are racist, Nigel Farrage is as racist as they get, he's the Trump of Britain. I've never felt more ready to rebel against this new order than now, I feel a genuine passion to resists this new direction of a more divided world. We've been divided for way too long, it's time to come together and work together as one not separates with hate towards each another.  You're no better than Hitler or the Islamic State with all this pulling up walls crap.

[Concerned Bystander 2,903]

Scotland was Majority leave, with NI split 60/40 Stay and Leave. This means they could go independent and stay with the EU while leaving Wales and England. We shouldn't leave the EU if it's going to split Britain in two. I think David Cameron should let NI and Scotland have a poll, and ask them this question "Will you leave England If We Leave The EU". If the answer is Yes, We shouldn't Leave the EU. it's that simple.

 

I understand your reasoning, but we simply cannot allow two million people (the combined Scottish and NI remain vote) to hold the democratic process hostage in a country of sixty five million people.  That is grossly undemocratic, and I say that as a Scotsman.

 

Scotland may get another independence referendum, but it should be deferred for at least five years or so, because with the mood across the EU just now, there may not be an EU left by then for Scotland to join.

 

Ask yourself this, would you be saying the same if the colours on that map were reversed?  If England had voted to stay, but Scotland wanted to leave, would you be saying that the whole UK should leave if Scotland threatened to go on it's own?

Edited June 26, 2016 by Concerned Bystander

[Ruby Splash 100]

I understand your reasoning, but we simply cannot allow two million people (the combined Scottish and NI remain vote) to hold the democratic process hostage in a country of sixty five million people.  That is grossly undemocratic, and I say that as a Scotsman.

 

Scotland may get another independence referendum, but it should be deferred for at least five years or so, because with the mood across the EU just now, there may not be an EU left by then for Scotland to join.

 

You will bankrupt the country, like spain but worse.

 

How much would it cost to have Scotland and Ireland split from Britain? How many jobs would be lost? who would pay for this?

 

The younger generation would, taxes would increase and public spending would be slashed again. You blame immigration for all the public services problems. this is simply wrong.

 

Immigration has been happening for thousands if not millions of years. If you go back far enough, everyone came from Africa. You think leaving the EU will cut all the immigration to zero, if you do then you need to look at Australia, they have a huge immigration problem and illegal workers, even though they have tighter security then a prison.

 

 

I swear, all these people in favour of further division are racist, Nigel Farrage is as racist as they get, he's the Trump of Britain. I've never felt more ready to rebel against this new order than now, I feel a genuine passion to resists this new direction of a more divided world. We've been divided for way too long, it's time to come together and work together as one not separates with hate towards each another.  You're no better than Hitler or the Islamic State with all this pulling up walls crap.

 

I think Bojo, Trump and Farrage will end up ruling this world. Then we will have to depend on Russia to bring about the end of this problem. I think Islamic State will have a field day with this, they can no go about claiming they bankrupted britain when everything comes crashing down.

 

 

@@Concerned Bystander, Plus a lot of the young, to quote a tired old cliche, don't know any better. The older voters, on the other hand, remember how life was before the EU got a stranglehold on the UK, and they want change. Ironic really, as it's always said that the younger generation are out for change, but in this case, they were happy to remain with the status quo. Also, to put it bluntly, the youngsters in university and college aren't out there experiencing the issues. They aren't struggling to get their kids into the local school, or to get a doctor's appointment, or to get a toe hold on the housing ladder. They're not competing in the job market with hundreds of foreigners who are happy to be paid a lower wage, cuz what they get here is still twice as much as they get back home.

 

The sad thing about all this is that it could have been prevented if those in power had just listened to what the people were saying years ago. No wonder that the working classes feel betrayed, and chose to show that they did by voting to leave.

 

The issues is we have a free health service, there is abuse of this service because it is free, also government cuts have not helped in the slightest. If everyone was willing to pay £20 to it in taxes each year, there would be no problem, no waiting, etc. But it goes down to pettiness

 

Nopony wants to pay for something they never use, the common argument is "why should i pay if someone broke there toe? It's not my problem" the small minded approach has screwed everyone over.

 

Anyway the foreigners cannot legally be given a lower wage because they are foreign. This is another erroneous presumption, if they were working for less, that place will be fined, the person liable for paying less will be fined/ jailed and the worker who got paid the lower amount would also have some sort of action taken to them. True there is favoritism within family businesses from foreign investors and you might not get a job because a family member would get it, however they are still contributing to the British economy.  

 

The funny thing, is  " youngsters in university and college aren't out there experiencing the issues"

 

Most students are from the Eu on the Erasmus Program, which then go onto study a wide range of higher level jobs. Shutting this down means less higher level jobs and less high skilled graduates. You will see that most high skilled jobs will now be done by foreigners since we wouldn't have enough of our own graduates to fill the positions, I am one of the few lucky ones that is on there last year of University. I was British but studied aboard to  study different ecosystems that britian doesn't have.

 

You've now just caused the students to be limited in there knowledge which will have a impact in there learning.and teaching.  

 

 

Ask yourself this, would you be saying the same if the colours on that map were reversed?  If England had voted to stay, but Scotland wanted to leave, would you be saying that the whole UK should leave if Scotland threatened to go on it's own?

 

If it kept us together, Sure. I wouldn't mind leaving with the whole of britian

 

if even the smallest isle said we would leave because of the decision, it wouldn't be worth it.

 

Why should we make britian smaller because of the EU?

 

short answer is, we shouldn't.  

[Concerned Bystander 2,903]

You will bankrupt the country, like spain but worse.

 

Spain, like Greece, are in the dire financial situation that they are in because they have no control over their currency, because they both use the Euro.  They cannot adjust rates to compensate for their own particular economic climates.  The UK wisely declined to adopt the Euro, and as such we retain control over our own monetary policy, so no, we will not end up 'like Spain but worse'.

 

The economic Armageddon that the remain campaign were predicting as their sole argument for staying in the EU, was nothing but scaremongering to try and frighten the population into voting for the result that they wanted.  If they had genuinely believed that it was going to happen, they would never have put the option to leave on the table in the first place.  We will take a short term hit of course, knee-jerk reactions are standard in the financial markets, but it will stabilise before long.  Britain is not some tiny little country, we have the fifth or sixth largest economy in the world.

 

The younger generation would, taxes would increase and public spending would be slashed again. You blame immigration for all the public services problems. this is simply wrong. Immigration has been happening for thousands if not millions of years. If you go back far enough, everyone came from Africa. You think leaving the EU will cut all the immigration to zero, if you do then you need to look at Australia, they have a huge immigration problem and illegal workers, even though they have tighter security then a prison.

 

I have never once, not ever, tried to blame everything on immigration.  We as a nation need immigration, and it should not stop, although it should be controlled, and restricted to people that will benefit the country.

 

My arguments for leaving the EU were always predominantly to escape from the clutches of the bloated monster that is the EU bureaucracy, and to restore power to our own, elected, government.

Edited June 26, 2016 by Concerned Bystander

[Ruby Splash 100]

Spain, like Greece, are in the dire financial situation that they are in because they have no control over their currency, because they both use the Euro.  They cannot adjust rates to compensate for their own particular economic climates.  The UK wisely declined to adopt the Euro, and as such we retain control over our own monetary policy, so no, we will not end up 'like Spain but worse'.

 

 

I have never once, not ever, tried to blame everything on immigration.  We as a nation need immigration, and it should not stop, although it should be controlled, and restricted to people that will benefit the country.

 

My arguments for leaving the EU were always predominantly to escape from the clutches of the bloated monster that is the EU bureaucracy, and to restore power to our own, elected, government.

 

We would be fine, if we all stay together, if this is the case. I'm more then happy to leave.

 

Sadly i think Scotland and Ireland will leave.

 

What do you think will happen when this occurs? We would have lost 50% of our revenues, should I continue?

 

Less Revenues-> less money to spend->  less money for Britain= less money for public services= cuts.

 

Of course we wouldn't have to spend any of our money on Scotland or Ireland. We could also split our nation dept with them, which would bankrupt Scotland and Ireland in the process.

 

So you would have a bankrupt Scotland and Ireland, who would trade with a country that bankrupts part of itself when the going gets tough? 

 

Wouldn't also give investors much confidence either.

[Concerned Bystander 2,903]

 

 

We would be fine, if we all stay together, if this is the case. I'm more then happy to leave. Sadly i think Scotland and Ireland will leave. What do you think will happen when this occurs? We would have lost 50% of our revenues, should I continue? Less Revenues-> less money to spend-> less money for Britain= less money for public services= cuts. Of course we wouldn't have to spend any of our money on Scotland or Ireland. We could also split our nation dept with them, which would bankrupt Scotland and Ireland in the process. So you would have a bankrupt Scotland and Ireland, who would trade with a country that bankrupts part of itself when the going gets tough? Wouldn't also give investors much confidence either.

 

I don't think Scotland will leave, there is a lot of hot and high feeling over the referendum just now, but that will dissipate.  If we start to see other countries in the EU following the UK out, which is a very real possibility, then Scotland and Northern Ireland will realise that leaving the UK to join a dying and geographically distant union is a far worse option than staying with their closest neighbours.

[Ruby Splash 100]

I don't think Scotland will leave, there is a lot of hot and high feeling over the referendum just now, but that will dissipate.  If we start to see other countries in the EU following the UK out, which is a very real possibility, then Scotland and Northern Ireland will realise that leaving the UK to join a dying and geographically distant union is a far worse option than staying with their closest neighbours.

 

That's a Big IF. If that doesn't happen and the EU thrives and the Uk struggles on, they might just split.

 

Also if the EU breaks apart, that will be a very big problem. A very big problem

[Pripyat Pony 2,608]

If Scotland leave, they will be shooting themselves in the foot. Not only is the EU a sinking ship, but it's not going to be allowing new members any time soon. So Scotland would find themselves out on their own, without handouts from England, deeply in debt, and having to work a whole new currency as leaving the UK would mean that they would not be able to use the pound. I doubt that any politician, even a rabidly anti English one, would ever do such a thing at this time. It would push Scotland into being a third world country and destroy it.

 

@@Ruby Splash, Oh, how naive. You assume that all foreign cleaners are a} working for agencies who can control their pay rate and b} legally allowed to be here. There are hundreds of illegal immigrants working as cleaners; they get paid in cash so don't have to declare their earnings, and accept the low pay rate cuz it's still better than what they get at home. They can't complain cuz if they do, they risk being deported. Read here for information on how foreign cleaners are exploited: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4259608.stm

Edited June 26, 2016 by Pripyat Pony

[Concerned Bystander 2,903]

That's a Big IF. If that doesn't happen and the EU thrives and the Uk struggles on, they might just split.

 

Every decision of this kind is a gamble.  The EU (and UK) are undergoing a massive right-wing resurgence, and are walking around on a very precarious economic bubble while wearing stiletto heels, the EU may very well fail with or without us.

 

Also if the EU breaks apart, that will be a very big problem. A very big problem

 

It will, absolutely.  But we will be far better able to weather that particular storm if we aren't a part of it when it crashes.

Edited June 26, 2016 by Concerned Bystander

[Pripyat Pony 2,608]

@@Concerned Bystander, A mate of mine summed it up perfectly. The EU is a car that's speeding towards a brick wall. What is better, opening the door and jumping out, or staying inside and hoping you won't be hurt when the car finally hits the wall? We're the ones jumping out the door right now. Yes, we might get a few bruises, but the risk of injury is far less than staying in the car and crossing fingers.

[Ruby Splash 100]

If Scotland leave, they will be shooting themselves in the foot. Not only is the EU a sinking ship, but it's not going to be allowing new members any time soon. So Scotland would find themselves out on their own, without handouts from England, deeply in debt, and having to work a whole new currency as leaving the UK would mean that they would not be able to use the pound. I doubt that any politician, even a rabidly anti English one, would ever do such a thing at this time. It would push Scotland into being a third world country and destroy it.

 

@@Ruby Splash, Oh, how naive. You assume that all foreign cleaners are a} working for agencies who can control their pay rate and b} legally allowed to be here. There are hundreds of illegal immigrants working as cleaners; they get paid in cash so don't have to declare their earnings, and accept the low pay rate cuz it's still better than what they get at home. They can't complain cuz if they do, they risk being deported. Read here for information on how foreign cleaners are exploited: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4259608.stm

 

Interesting, Shows another amount of corruption within our own government. Since that is illegal. If our own government cared they would have hired English workers to do it for the right pay, though I've heard worse.

 

since they haven't and turned a blind eye they get to save some cash, This is why i didn't go into politics

 

its all corrupt, all under the table back handed trickery. As you move up the political ladder it gets more and more corrupt. 

 

 

@@Concerned Bystander, A mate of mine summed it up perfectly. The EU is a car that's speeding towards a brick wall. What is better, opening the door and jumping out, or staying inside and hoping you won't be hurt when the car finally hits the wall? We're the ones jumping out the door right now. Yes, we might get a few bruises, but the risk of injury is far less than staying in the car and crossing fingers.

 

The EU is more like car insurance, you pay loads of money into a pot and hope that when you wreck your car the insurance will pay out to cover you. When we had all that flooding we got a bale out by the EU, we got millions out of it and we weren't thankful.

 

When we got our negotiation deal with the EU, we weren't thankful just greedy and wanted more.

 

We Brits are a ungrateful lot.

[Concerned Bystander 2,903]

@@Concerned Bystander, A mate of mine summed it up perfectly. The EU is a car that's speeding towards a brick wall. What is better, opening the door and jumping out, or staying inside and hoping you won't be hurt when the car finally hits the wall? We're the ones jumping out the door right now. Yes, we might get a few bruises, but the risk of injury is far less than staying in the car and crossing fingers.

 

I have used that exact same analogy myself on a number of occasions.

[Lunar Echo 10,335]

 Britain is not some tiny little country, we have the fifth or sixth largest economy in the world.

 

That place may no longer be as high as it once was and Britain is a small country, it's a small island with deep ties in the world. But that may no longer be the case as it can no longer invades foreign distant lands and enslaves the local populaces. It has to settle with what its got, nothing, it has nothing in today's world, the leaving of the EU is the final scar in the once former power Britain or I should just say England since Scotland and Northern Ireland had no choice but to follow along since England wanted it so.

Edited June 26, 2016 by Lunar Echo

[Concerned Bystander 2,903]

 

 

When we got our negotiation deal with the EU, we weren't thankful just greedy and wanted more.

 

Ah yes, the infamous renegotiation.  When David Cameron went to the EU, cap in hand, to ask for so little, and failed to gain even that.  Gaining only a token agreement which, by the way, was not binding, and was still subject to being unanimously approved by twenty seven other countries including those that it would have been detrimental to.

[saint pepsi 32]

bless them omg

i live in italy and i can say that the economy has just been going downhill for us

 

but idk

[Concerned Bystander 2,903]

bless them omg

i live in italy and i can say that the economy has just been going downhill for us

 

but idk

 

Italy may be soon be joining the UK in leaving, 58% of the population want a referendum, and it's reasonable to assume that most of the people asking for a vote, are asking because they want to leave and not because they want to reaffirm their relationship.

[saint pepsi 32]

Italy may be soon be joining the UK in leaving, 58% of the population want a referendum, and it's reasonable to assume that most of the people asking for a vote, are asking because they want to leave and not because they want to reaffirm their relationship.

 

oh good

i didnt know that since i dont really update myself on these things often

[Ruby Splash 100]

That place may no longer be as high as it once was and Britain is a small country, it's a small island with deep ties in the world. But that may no longer be the case as it can no longer invades foreign distant lands and enslaves the local populaces. It has to settle with what its got, nothing, it has nothing in today's world, the leaving of the EU is the final scar in the once former power Britain or I should just say England since Scotland and Northern Ireland had no choice but to follow along since England wanted it so.

 

Most we got is all the gas and oil off Scotland and Ireland, and if they go independent

 

we got, erm. Dept. well we can't sell that, unless we trick someone into buying it...... Might be illegal......

 

What will we fall back on, Our Steel industry that was once mighty and made the warships of old? Nope- China does that now.

 

Maybe our other manufacturing industry that we've not really invested in- China does all that now too.

 

Lets go back to Farming, oh wait. Most of the EU does that now.

 

Lets do all the science stuff, oh wait, most of those companies have there pharmaceuticals in places where they can actually trade like the EU.

 

Lets go back to tourism then, that must be the way, at least we have our Queen.

 

Phew saved by our monarchy. 

 

 

Ah yes, the infamous renegotiation.  When David Cameron went to the EU, cap in hand, to ask for so little, and failed to gain even that.  Gaining only a token agreement which, by the way, was not binding, and was still subject to being unanimously approved by twenty seven other countries including those that it would have been detrimental to.

 

Rather that then a hostile takeover, EU will just own most of britian now. 

Edited June 26, 2016 by Ruby Splash

[Photon Jet 5,491]

There has been an update which confirms there's not gonna be a second referendum, plus the 3+ million petition is being investigated for fraud.

 

No matter how many people signed the petition, they can't change the decision. The only way now is to accept the change and work together as one to keep our economy strong. It's that they are disruptions and re-organizing involved but everything will be sorted in the end. All's well that end's well.

Edited June 26, 2016 by Photon Jet