news Britain has left the EU, your thoughts?

[Lunar Echo 10,335]

bless them omg

i live in italy and i can say that the economy has just been going downhill for us

 

but idk

 

I can see Italy being independent of the EU, it has the means for such, it just won't have a lot of the privilege the EU offered. A lot of the benefit to leaving the EU will only be felt be the Older Generation, the Young Generations will suffer through hardships while the Old will not need to worry. Leaving the EU for Italy will be a downgrade, yes, hard times will come, Italy will become a weaker nation out of it. But it will no longer be part of the monetary system which seems to be one of the biggest arguments against the EU.

[Concerned Bystander 2,903]

 

 

There has been an update which confirms there's not gonna be a second referendum, plus the 3+ million petition is being investigated for fraud. No matter how many people signed the petition, they can't change the decision. The only way now is to accept the change and work together as one to keep our economy strong.

 

That petition was always clutching at straws, and the fraud is clearly evident.  Last time I looked at the data, there were three thousand three hundred and thirty eight signatures from South Georgia, which has a population of zero people.

[Ruby Splash 100]

There has been an update which confirms there's not gonna be a second referendum, plus the 3+ million petition is being investigated for fraud.

 

No matter how many people signed the petition, they can't change the decision. The only way now is to accept the change and work together as one to keep our economy strong. It's that they are disruptions and re-organizing involved but everything will be sorted in the end. All's well that end's well.

 

48 million people leaving the UK or at least refusing to work

 

I would like to see what would happen

[saint pepsi 32]

I can see Italy being independent of the EU, it has the means for such, it just won't have a lot of the privilege the EU offered. A lot of the benefit to leaving the EU will only be felt be the Older Generation, the Young Generations will suffer through hardships while the Old will not need to worry. Leaving the EU for Italy will be a downgrade, yes, hard times will come, Italy will become a weaker nation out of it. But it will no longer be part of the monetary system which seems to be one of the biggest arguments against the EU.

 

yeah italy will become weaker, but i'm mostly worried for the monetary system.

italy will probably revert back to the lira, for many its really confusing and for people on vacation it will be even more confusing

but other than that, i'd say that since italy was already a weak nation it will just keep getting worst

[Concerned Bystander 2,903]

 

 

48 million people leaving the UK or at least refusing to work

 

48 million people?  That seems unlikely as only 16 million voted to remain in the EU.

[Lunar Echo 10,335]

yeah italy will become weaker, but i'm mostly worried for the monetary system.

italy will probably revert back to the lira, for many its really confusing and for people on vacation it will be even more confusing

but other than that, i'd say that since italy was already a weak nation it will just keep getting worst

Things will only get worse for Italy mate, leaving the EU won't change anything, it will only put you at more of a disadvantage. We're essentially slowing the world down again like when we had the two world wars. You're probably going to have to pay more taxes and work even hard than before, jobs will decline and things will just get worse. 

[saint pepsi 32]

Things will only get worse for Italy mate, leaving the EU won't change anything, it will only put you at more of a disadvantage. We're essentially slowing the world down again like when we had the two world wars. You're probably going to have to pay more taxes and work even hard than before, jobs will decline and things will just get worse. 

yep, thats why im getting out of here as soon as i can and imma move to america

[Lunar Echo 10,335]

48 million people?  That seems unlikely as only 16 million voted to remain in the EU.

 

17 Million wanted to leave.

16 Million wanted to remain.

1 Mil difference, the country is divided wither you like it or not.

[Concerned Bystander 2,903]

 

 

17 Million wanted to leave. 16 Million wanted to remain. 1 Mil difference, the country is divided wither you like it or not.

 

I know the countries divided.  My point was that Ruby Splash appears to have mixed up percentages with number of voters.  48 precent of people voted remain, not 48 million people.

 

But yes, this vote has deeply divided the country, but what's done is done, the majority spoke and the way forward now is to work together towards the future, not to grasp at the past.

[Ruby Splash 100]

I know the countries divided.  My point was that Ruby Splash appears to have mixed up percentages with number of voters.  48 precent of people voted remain, not 48 million people.

 

But yes, this vote has deeply divided the country, but what's done is done, the majority spoke and the way forward now is to work together towards the future, not to grasp at the past.

 

^^ Shh, i'm a earth pony, I can't count past my 4 hooves. Don't tell anyone though.

 

anyway if the 16 Million refused to work, the country would still grind to a halt.

[Malinter 3,064]

All these idiots in the remain group calling for the goverment to just ignore the result just flies in the face of democracy, I can't imagine people getting away with that if Remain won out.

 

Also the EU leaders are un-elected, I love it how the remain lot seem to just blissfully ignore that.

 

Its also funny that the EU wants us to rush with Article 50 when the EU itself never moves with much haste at all except when something is threatening its collective pockets.

 

The UK is divided, But its divided because one half of it has been screaming at it for 40 years and the other side just wasn't listening.

[nolongerabout 403]

However if they both leave or one of them leaves, we will have alot of problems, and everything will be more expensive, since we will need extra taxes to cover all our public services, cutting them wouldn't be on the table anymore, unless we just got rid of all our public services.

 

Actually, public services in the rest of the UK would most likely be better off if Scotland left the UK.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-28879267

 

They have more total expenditure per person than is raised by tax, and these figures are from before the oil price crashed, which is one of Scotland's main sources of income. If they leave, they can in all likelihood say goodbye to free university places (Which England doesn't get), and probably severe reductions in NHS care and funding, compared to what they would enjoy within the UK. Any economic figures published during their independence referendum in 2014 were based on the oil market recovering, increasing from $104 a barrel. Today it is less than half that, and has been around the $50 mark for more than a year. Doesn't look like it'll be heading back up any time soon, either. They are counting on the EU Ponzi scheme to rescue them, but it won't happen. Their deficit is made up by money from the rest of the UK, at the cost of our own, on the promise that eventually we will be able to reduce spending in all sectors to a suitable rate, and start paying off the national debt. And it's working. The Tories may be lying bred-for-politics scumbags at times, but they can manage a long term economic plan. Scotland doesn't have as much investment as England economy wise, which allows the latter to sustain such a rate of borrowing.

 

Which would be another reason why I would prefer David Cameron to stay on a Prime Minister. He's been Euroskeptic for years, all the time up until that "Renegotiation" he organised. he made a mistake, we all do from time to time, but if he admits his faults (And gets rid of Gorge Osborne) I would welcome him back with open arms. That way, the silly new buggers probably wouldn't revert the steady progress we've made these last two years.

 

I don't mind if Scotland has another referendum. I don't mind if they become independent of us, and another part of a declining bureaucracy. It's their choice, just as it was ours to leave the EU. I just don't like the way that the SNP puts it all. Nicola Sturgeon talks as though she's the new William Wallace, and the English are coming to pillage the lowlands again! Despite the fact that the rest of us paid for a whopping 10% of their public services in 2013, and probably even more last year.

 

But we all must make sacrifices for 'freedom', eh?

Edited June 26, 2016 by ForthEorl

[Concerned Bystander 2,903]

^^ Shh, i'm a earth pony, I can't count past my 4 hooves. Don't tell anyone though. anyway if the 16 Million refused to work, the country would still grind to a halt.

 

And if the government backed down to the minority, and reneged on the referendum result, would 17 million people refusing to work be any better?

Edited June 26, 2016 by Concerned Bystander

[Malinter 3,064]

It's obvious the Eurocrats don't want us now. Once the remain lot have done crying and We actually have a new PM (I wish that cat that used to lurk outside No 10 was still alive, he'd have my vote...) and get the ball rolling. Then we can start getting some actual healing done.

[Rawzy 1,302]

well...I guess now I can't say that I'm 50% European.....goddamnit

[Pripyat Pony 2,608]

It's obvious the Eurocrats don't want us now. Once the remain lot have done crying and We actually have a new PM (I wish that cat that used to lurk outside No 10 was still alive, he'd have my vote...) and get the ball rolling. Then we can start getting some actual healing done.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/who-will-be-our-next-prime-minister-as-david-cameron-resigns-fol/

 

Here's who the bookies are backing at the moment to replace Dave:

 

 

Boris Johnson 4/6 

George Osborne 20/1

Theresa May 5/2 

Michael Gove 9/2

Stephen Crabb 14/1

 

 

I've read that a new General Election might be in the works, too. But it's unlikely to be a win for anyone cept the Tories, given all the infighting that's going on in the Labour party right now.

Edited June 26, 2016 by Pripyat Pony

[Concerned Bystander 2,903]

 

 

I've read that a new General Election might be in the works, too. But it's unlikely to be a win for anyone cept the Tories, given all the infighting that's going on in the Labour party right now.

 

Things aren't much better for the Conservatives at the moment, this referendum campaign ripped them right down the middle, they have a lot of healing of their own to do.

 

If anything, Labour might even have an easier time mending the fences because they spend most of the campaign sitting on them.

[nolongerabout 403]

@@Concerned Bystander,

 

Let's not forget that the majority of the 17 million aren't bourgeoisie office workers, but the working class, who have shown in the past they're not afraid to riot in large numbers.

 

And I know I won't be the only one, should they refuse to acknowledge the democratic will of the people, to crimp my air rifle above the legal limit, strap on my pattern 1796 heavy cavalry sword and rally outside Nigel Farage's house, for the march on London.

 

(I'm kidding, but they would be committing political suicide should they ignore the vote. After all, it hurts a lot more getting punched by a hardened northern bloke than being harassed on twitter by a privileged Philosophy graduate)

 

@@Rawzy,

 

No, we're still 100% still in Europe. We just won't be in the political union that controls it 'maybe' in two years. unless we suddenly learn how to move large land masses.

Edited June 26, 2016 by ForthEorl

[Dark Horse 12,962]

well...I guess now I can't say that I'm 50% European.....goddamnit

 

England are still part of Europe, they're just no longer part of the European economic zone. Countries such as Iceland that also aren't part of the EU are still European territory. End of the day they can't just change the geography of the planet.

[Ruby Splash 100]

@@Concerned Bystander,

 

Let's not forget that the majority of the 17 million aren't bourgeoisie office workers, but the working class, who have shown in the past they're not afraid to riot in large numbers.

 

And I know I won't be the only one, should they refuse to acknowledge the democratic will of the people, to crimp my air rifle above the legal limit, strap on my pattern 1796 heavy cavalry sword and rally outside Nigel Farage's house, for the march on London.

 

(I'm kidding, but they would be committing political suicide should they ignore the vote. After all, it hurts a lot more getting punched by a hardened northern bloke than being harassed on twitter by a privileged Philosophy graduate)

 

@@Rawzy,

 

No, we're still 100% still in Europe. We just won't be in the political union that controls it 'maybe' in two years. unless we suddenly learn how to move large land masses.

 

I predict a riot like the student one

 

That cost more then what the government got out of it by increasing tuition fees 

England are still part of Europe, they're just no longer part of the European economic zone. Countries such as Iceland that also aren't part of the EU are still European territory. End of the day they can't just change the geography of the planet.

 

need a pole to push us away

 

 

a really big pole

[Concerned Bystander 2,903]

I predict a riot like the student one That cost more then what the government got out of it by increasing tuition fees

 

Any protest needs to be done in good order, and within the law.  As soon as things turn violent the cause loses any moral legitimacy that it might have claimed beforehand, and the protesters become nothing more than common criminals.

Edited June 26, 2016 by Concerned Bystander

[nolongerabout 403]

@@Rawzy,

 

 

 

After the conservative majority was announced last year, there were a couple 'riots', where the Labour party headquarters were trashed, the women's war memorial got vandalised (Bloody poor show on that part), and two dozen of them got arrested. Silly buggers, can't even damage the right party's property. My local riot was great- 'bout a thousand of them turned up at the local college green, started shouting SJW slogans, and then a few literal (in their minds, maybe) justice warriors got arrested for throwing bottles at the 4 or 5 police who turned up. But they got on the news, and got to scream they were 'physically oppressed' by the conservative crony policemen.

 

As you can see, I touched on student riots already. Funny how the ones who complain the loudest are the ones who can actually afford it, and get arrested for property damage, drawing attention away from the ones who are protesting peacefully.

[Swifty 249]

You may have heard of NATO, which both the US and UK, in addition to the vast majority of EU countries are members.  The mutual defence clause of which has only ever been invoked once, by the US.

 

I heard from Nato. I was just replying to the one line that the UK was one of the strongest military forces the EU had. Now that they are leaving, Russia is rubbing its hands with glee just waiting for an excuse to rip the EU another ***hole and the EU shall have fun with that.

If russia attacks, without USA we're all doomed. No matter if UK helps or not. Their military seems to be a bit overrated among britains and the channel wouldn't save them this time when EU is overrun.

[Concerned Bystander 2,903]

I heard from Nato. I was just replying to the one line that the UK was one of the strongest military forces the EU had. Now that they are leaving, Russia is rubbing its hands with glee just waiting for an excuse to rip the EU another ***hole and the EU shall have fun with that.

If russia attacks, without USA we're all doomed. No matter if UK helps or not. Their military seems to be a bit overrated among britains and the channel wouldn't save them this time when EU is overrun.

 

You seem to have missed my point, if Russia was (for some reason) to attack a NATO country, regardless of whether or not that country is in the EU, both Britain and the US would be compelled to come to their aid under article 5 of the Washington treaty.  That is the whole reason that NATO exists.  NATO and the EU are two entirely separate, and completely unrelated entities.

[Ruby Splash 100]

 

I heard from Nato. I was just replying to the one line that the UK was one of the strongest military forces the EU had. Now that they are leaving, Russia is rubbing its hands with glee just waiting for an excuse to rip the EU another ***hole and the EU shall have fun with that.

If russia attacks, without USA we're all doomed. No matter if UK helps or not. Their military seems to be a bit overrated among britains and the channel wouldn't save them this time when EU is overrun.

 

Russia can wipe anyone out, anytime. Its N Korea you need to worry about, they nearly hit japan the other day with a nuke

 

it fell short of about 100 miles and crashed into the ocean, when they actually launch a nuke that hits, its going to be ww3

 

 

You seem to have missed my point, if Russia was (for some reason) to attack a NATO country, regardless of whether or not that country is in the EU, both Britain and the US would be compelled to come to their aid under article 5 of the Washington treaty.  That is the whole reason that NATO exists.  NATO and the EU are two entirely separate, and completely unrelated entities.

 

Russia isn't a threat, they are happy as long as we westerners don't piss them around too much.

 

Its Korea that has issues with everything not korean