news Britain has left the EU, your thoughts?

[Luna the Great of all the Russias 2,998]

I heard from Nato. I was just replying to the one line that the UK was one of the strongest military forces the EU had. Now that they are leaving, Russia is rubbing its hands with glee just waiting for an excuse to rip the EU another ***hole and the EU shall have fun with that.

If russia attacks, without USA we're all doomed. No matter if UK helps or not. Their military seems to be a bit overrated among britains and the channel wouldn't save them this time when EU is overrun.

Are you living in 1945? Because to suggest that Russia is capable of successfully invading the entirety of Europe is a highly unrealistic scenario. USA's geopolitical interests lie in restricting Russia's influence as much as possible so it will do what it can to achieve that. Russia would essentially be committing suicide if it declared war on NATO members as the entirety of NATO is much more powerful than Russia even if we were to exclude USA. As well, Russia today is in the most vulnerable geopolitical position it has been in centuries so its concern is more to build up its defensive position by expanding influence into Eastern Europe; there is currently no incentive to focus on, say, Western Europe.

Edited June 26, 2016 by Tsaritsa Luna

[nolongerabout 403]

I heard from Nato. I was just replying to the one line that the UK was one of the strongest military forces the EU had. Now that they are leaving, Russia is rubbing its hands with glee just waiting for an excuse to rip the EU another ***hole and the EU shall have fun with that. If russia attacks, without USA we're all doomed. No matter if UK helps or not. Their military seems to be a bit overrated among britains and the channel wouldn't save them this time when EU is overrun.

 

well, they'll only invade another former soviet state. We were in the EU when it happened to Ukraine and Georgia (Who admittedly aren't in the EU, but are working on it). Do you think the EU will really stand up to Russia, as inept as it is, without its own army, as a political body? Of course they'll say stuff like "We highly condemn these aggressive moves by Russia", but it's like pissing in the wind.

 

Oh wait, they've announced that EU army thing now that we've started to leave.

 

Also, you seem to think that the whole of Europe individually would be a pushover. Germany, Austria, (as much as I hate to admit it-) France, Sweden, notably Finland, and Belgium all have highly trained, modernised militaries, with both strong territorial and expeditionary forces. And while Britain has not the equivalent of its army in 1914, or even 1814, it is a damn sight better than the Russians, and we're not spending 300% gdp on it like we used to. Sure, they have weight of numbers, but their army has hardly changed in organisation or equipment since the 1980s, and can hardly invade one of the smallest countries in Europe with any degree of finesse or ability. Which used to belong to them, and has a negligible army compared to Russia or any European state.

 

"The Russian Command, Control, Communications and Intelligence (C³I) performed poorly during the Georgia conflict.The Russian communication systems were outdated, with a 58th Army commander allegedly making contact with his combat troops via a journalist-owned satellite phone. Without the modern GLONASS, precision-guided munitions could not be used; the US-controlled GPS was unavailable, since the war zone was blacked out.Due to the negligence of Russian defence minister, the use of unmanned aerial vehicles was not authorised^; an RIA Novosti editorial said that Russian forces lacked reliable aerial-reconnaissance systems, once using a Tupolev Tu-22M3 bomber instead."

 

Quoted from wikipedia, but they are reliable enough on this. There's a reason why nobody considers Russia a definite world player any more- They're not. Putin may have aims for them to be again, but with a crippled economy (Mostly thanks to an EU arranged G7 embargo, actually, guess they did good in that) they don't have the political or economical clout they once carried. If they even tried to take the rest of the Ukraine, I've no doubt that many other European countries and maybe even the US would get involved, if the President (Whoever that may be) decides to, and that would be the end of Russia as it is at the moment. It can't compete with the US, not on any level these days.

Edited June 26, 2016 by ForthEorl

[Concerned Bystander 2,903]

 

 

Russia can wipe anyone out, anytime. Its N Korea you need to worry about, they nearly hit japan the other day with a nuke it fell short of about 100 miles and crashed into the ocean, when they actually launch a nuke that hits, its going to be ww3

 

Let me just put that to bed right now.  That absolutely, categorically did not happen.  North Korea carried out a test of a ballistic missile, which could, potentially be used to deliver a nuclear warhead, and the test was conducted by launching the missile out over the sea, which is pretty standard practice for tests of this kind.

 

They did not fire a nuclear missile at Japan.

[Happyandrenewed999 106]

No, I am not happy. But I didn't expect any less so I'm not that surprised.

[Member Berry 1,217]

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

 

This has over three million signatures now :| This is so stupid. What are we going to do? Keep voting for the next few years? 

[Pripyat Pony 2,608]

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

 

This has over three million signatures now :| This is so stupid. What are we going to do? Keep voting for the next few years? 

Not gonna happen. Here's why.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36634407

 

 

The House of Commons petitions committee is investigating allegations of fraud in connection with a petition calling for a second EU referendum.

Its inquiry is focused on the possibility that some names could be fraudulent - 77,000 signatures have already been removed.

More than 3.2 million signatures are on the petition, but PM David Cameron has said there will be no second vote.

 

 

BBC political correspondent Iain Watson says the petition has attracted a lot of attention but has no chance of being enacted, because it is asking for retrospective legislation.

Our correspondent says some referendums do have thresholds but those clauses must be inserted in legislation before the vote so everyone is clear about the rules.

You cannot simply invent new hurdles if you are on the losing side, our correspondent says.

So all the people signing the petition and whining about the result of the referendum need to grow up and get the hell over it. They lost. Deal with it.

[nolongerabout 403]

@,

 

No, we're going to check who signed it, and whoever isn't eligible to vote in this country we're going to charge with fraud.

39,000 signatures from the vatican city, despite the fact only 800 people live there.

25,000 signatures from North Korea. Despite the fact I doubt anyone there is allowed to access western internet pages.

God knows how many from the US.

 

Only about 400,000 of the signatures are from people eligible to vote in the UK.

[Pripyat Pony 2,608]

@@ForthEorl, Not to mention the fact that a lot of the idiots signing the petition are students who were eligible to vote on Thursday and for some reason, chose not to. Quit waving flags and crying about the result; just suck it up and go the buck home to Mummy and Daddy who probably voted for Leave cuz they were thinking of you, not their own selfish desires.

[nolongerabout 403]

@@Pripyat Pony,

 

I already know it's pointless. I would bloody riot if they announced another referendum!

 

 

 

Quit waving flags and crying about the result; just suck it up and go the buck home to Mummy and Daddy who probably voted for Leave cuz they were thinking of you, not their own selfish desires.

This ain't directed at me, is it? Bloody hell, I voted leave! And not for me, but for the damn country!

[Tesla 167]

before i start some points i will make are not aimed at anyone in particular, i do not intend to offend anyone or imply that the points include everyone. this is just simply my opinion.

 

well, seen as i voted in I'm surprisingly okay with it all, yes i will lose more then half my job and university prospects, I'm too poor to travel and i don't know how the economy will turn out. but that's okay, what i don't like is the way people are acting, now i know this isn't everyone but i have seen enough of it for it to become an issue, a lot of out voters are focusing on immigration, and trying to kick out anyone that is 'foreign' and honestly being  rather fascist and it gets on my nerves, 1. they think we can just send them away ... not how it works... 2. they think its acceptable to terrorise these people ... its not on. then on the other hand some remain voters are getting angry and down right rude about it, which i can understand but is still not acceptable.

 

there is also the fact that a lot of out voters have admitted to voting out to spite Cameron and didn't think their vote would count, this is not and Plausible reason to vote on such an important matter ( if they really hated him they should express this in other manners). also only two of the top thirty areas for those over the age of 65 voted to remain, they say they wanted it to be as it was before, but in actual fact it wont be if anything they have messed it up for the majority of the younger generation who are the ones who have to live with their repercussions and uncertainties, they have their pensions and are sorted, but what about us? and i know its not all older people but they aren't going to have to go through all the difficulties we do.

 

in conclusion i think I'm fed up of hearing about it, we've had out little panic and differences, now its time to put our political and personal opinions aside and get the hell on with working together before we f*** ourselves over more then we have already.

[Member Berry 1,217]

@@Pripyat Pony,

 

I already know it's pointless. I would bloody riot if they announced another referendum!

 

 

 

This ain't directed at me, is it? Bloody hell, I voted leave! And not for me, but for the damn country!

I'll join you. I'm not happy that the majority voted leave but that's what happened. Throwing your toys out of the pram because the results aren't what you wanted is stupid.

[Concerned Bystander 2,903]

also only two of the top thirty areas for those over the age of 65 voted to remain, they say they wanted it to be as it was before, but in actual fact it wont be if anything they have messed it up for the majority of the younger generation who are the ones who have to live with their repercussions and uncertainties, they have their pensions and are sorted, but what about us?

 

This is a very sad reflection of the apathy among younger voters in this country (not yourself obviously, as you voted), but according to a Sky Data poll, only (approximately) 36% of people aged 18-24 actually turned out to vote.  That is an absolutely shocking indictment of the lack of political engagement of our youth for any election, and doubly so given the magnitude of this decision and the ramifications, for them especially, of the outcome.

 

The accuracy of the poll could be contested, but other sources such as the BBC and the Guardian for example, analysed the referendum statistics and found that voter turnout was lower in areas with a lower median age, which adds credence to the findings of the Sky poll.

 

Again, this isn't aimed directly at you, but if the young people of the UK want to blame someone for betraying their future, then they need look further than their own peer group, who let them down by deciding that cavorting in the mud at Glastonbury was more important than taking part in quite possibly the single most important democratic event of their lifetime.  (Obviously they weren't all at Glastonbury, I was using an example to make a point, and the ones that were there, could have voted by post or proxy)

Edited June 26, 2016 by Concerned Bystander

[Twiggy 2,966]

 

 

No, we're going to check who signed it, and whoever isn't eligible to vote in this country we're going to charge with fraud. 39,000 signatures from the vatican city, despite the fact only 800 people live there. 25,000 signatures from North Korea. Despite the fact I doubt anyone there is allowed to access western internet pages. God knows how many from the US.   Only about 400,000 of the signatures are from people eligible to vote in the UK.

I can shed some light on this. There were several threads on /pol/ dedicated to spamming sigs on that petition from absolutely batshit places in order to discredit the thing entirely. It's just alt-right trolling the media again. I believe that there were a few thousand signatures from Grenada and Syria as well.  

[Tesla 167]

This is a very sad reflection of the apathy among younger voters in this country (not yourself obviously, as you voted), but according to a Sky Data poll, only (approximately) 36% of people aged 18-24 actually turned out to vote.  That is an absolutely shocking indictment of the lack of political engagement of our youth for any election, and doubly so given the magnitude of this decision and the ramifications, for them especially, of the outcome.

 

The accuracy of the poll could be contested, but other sources such as the BBC and the Guardian for example, analysed the referendum statistics and found that voter turnout was lower in areas with a lower median age, which adds credence to the findings of the Sky poll.

 

Again, this isn't aimed directly at you, but if the young people of the UK want to blame someone for betraying their future, then they need look further than their own peer group, who let them down by deciding that cavorting in the mud at Glastonbury was more important than taking part in quite possibly the single most important democratic event of their lifetime.  (Obviously they weren't all at Glastonbury, I was using an example to make a point, and the ones that were there, could have voted by post or proxy)

 

 

I totally agree with you!!!! I have said this to so many of my peers and they either don't understand, don't read up on it, aren't interested or just don't give a damn ( again not every one) and i think is appalling and give the responsible young people like us a bad reputation .

[nolongerabout 403]

@@Twiggy,

 

Yes, but the problem is many people who signed it are silly enough to believe that it's true. Even the bloody BBC did! They tried to bring it up on the question time special this evening, but were shot down by a guardian columnist who was wise to it.

[Pripyat Pony 2,608]

@@Pripyat Pony,

 

I already know it's pointless. I would bloody riot if they announced another referendum!

 

 

 

This ain't directed at me, is it? Bloody hell, I voted leave! And not for me, but for the damn country!

Nope; it's directed at the students who didn't vote and are now whinging about the result. Not you.

[Shanks 10,816]

This is a very sad reflection of the apathy among younger voters in this country (not yourself obviously, as you voted), but according to a Sky Data poll, only (approximately) 36% of people aged 18-24 actually turned out to vote.

That is pathetic but not surprising, as that is also happening in America. Though honestly I am of the opinion that the quality of voters should matter more than the number. There are frankly a lot of people that are too stupid and immature to vote and I thank those who fit that category who don't vote for not voting but the ones that do terrify me. 

 

 

Yes, but the problem is many people who signed it are silly enough to believe that it's true. Even the bloody BBC did! They tried to bring it up on the question time special this evening, but were shot down by a guardian columnist who was wise to it.

Indeed it is a problem and while I have found some of the alt rights trolling hilarious on other matters but in this instance it is rather questionable. It is a combination of a lot of lazy and stupid people not checking facts and there being so much information out there that it can overwhelm even people who are actually informed at times.

[nolongerabout 403]

@@Pripyat Pony,

 

Sorry mate. Just worded it a little funny, is all. I can't really understand why they blame old people. The ones who built the country in the first place, the ones who suffered so that democracy could exist in this country. The ones whose pensions are damaged, the ones who rely the most on the National Health Service that might well suffer. If anything, we should be listening to them, those who grew up in the tough economic times of the post-war era. They've seen it before.

 

The ones who don't understand why their grandchildren are so lazy, so uncaring of all that they've been provided with. Things like the right to completely disregard their vote. At least they appreciated that, for a while.

[Lunar Echo 10,335]

The trip will be long but I'm sure things will come to with some hardship from the British people. Lets just hope this works out for the better and is not the reason Britain no longer exists. And jobs were on the rise lately, god it's going to be a pain to search for another job when it's needed. Perhaps this shift on the lay backs in Britain will be good, it will maybe get people more productive and finally get the public working like horses again. I feel so bad for our armed forces, they'll most likely receive even larger cuts to defence spending and perhaps will need to pull out of the current conflicts it's involved in. 

Edited June 26, 2016 by Lunar Echo

[Malinter 3,064]

 

Meanwhile at Labour Party Shadow Cabinet...

 

This is pretty accurate dipicition of today's events.

Edited June 26, 2016 by Malinter

[nolongerabout 403]

@@Malinter,

 

 

Oh, indeed. Labour has more voters these days among the 18-24 demographic than any other party. About 40% in the 2015 election, if I remember correctly. 11 Shadow cabinet members have resigned, 1 sacked. That's out of 21. The majority of senior Labour party members don't want him anymore. He's indecisive, unwilling to admit he's wrong, and I doubt he'd be able to lead the country at all. But, he makes a good opposition. Don't agree with him firing Hillary Benn, though. He was threatened before by Corbyn after criticizing the EU, and it was only a matter of time, but he is experienced and genuine, and more than worthy of becoming the new Labour leader, in my opinion. After all, he wasn't afraid to come out against Corbyn after his lacklustre Brexit campaign participation. I don't think he took part in one debate. What sort of political leader does that?

[Guest]

One things for damn sure, this referendum has divided the UK beyond belief. I mean holy shit, I haven't really seen such a gap ever in my lifetime. Seems very much to me that it's a "young vs. old" kind of struggle like I have said before, with the younger side basically saying that the older generation have taken away their possibilities in terms of the types of goods that the EU offers in regards to education, freedom of movement, work, living abroad etc.

Edited June 26, 2016 by Guest

[Concerned Bystander 2,903]

 

 

Seems very much to me that it's a "young vs. old" kind of struggle like I have said before, with the younger side basically saying that the older generation have taken away their possibilities in terms of the types of goods that the EU offers in regards to education, freedom of movement, work, living abroad etc.

 

If it mattered to them then they should got off their backsides and voted instead of just tweeting about it.  36% turnout among 18-24 year old is beyond belief for a decision like this.  They only people that betrayed the future of that 36% was the other 64%.

[Photon Jet 5,491]

Wow. All the Labour MPs are resigning left and right like crazy. If this keeps up, the Labour party wouldn't be as popular as before. I guess that vote did leave a heavy toll on them.

[Film Reel 75]

I think this sums it up perfectly.

 

Edited June 27, 2016 by Film Reel