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I just had the wildest idea. What if next season features a villain who was one of the mane six. I won't dare ask who but which do you see might be aomepony who could turn to the dark side of friendship... FIENDSHIP. What if she became corrupted and betrayed the others and began the queues to the start of season 7 or even 9 onto the season finale where they pull a Darth Vader and she turns good again. Because the show loves to do that. I say future season because there is still that business with Queen Chrysalis.

 

I know the show would never try something in a kids'S show so think on it as a fanfic idea maybe an animated YouTube drama or comic dub.

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I dunno about Queen Chrysalis exactly returning just yet. It would be really cool if she teamed up with Lord TIrek and the rest of the Tartarus prisoners to go against Equestria, but I think that MIGHT be saved for a future season. I got the feeling we're having a completely new villain this season! I dunno who to be exact, but that's why it's new! Someone pretty cool, perhaps! ;)

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I just had the wildest idea. What if next season features a villain who was one of the mane six. I won't dare ask who but which do you see might be aomepony who could turn to the dark side of friendship... FIENDSHIP. What if she became corrupted and betrayed the others and began the queues to the start of season 7 or even 9 onto the season finale where they pull a Darth Vader and she turns good again. Because the show loves to do that. I say future season because there is still that business with Queen Chrysalis.

 

I know the show would never try something in a kids'S show so think on it as a fanfic idea maybe an animated YouTube drama or comic dub.

 

Of the mane six, it would be Twilight. It is ALWAYS going to be twilight :/ The only other option would be Starlight turning evil.

they already did this in Friendship games with Twilight turning evil and all that, so I could see them doing it again with twilight turning into midnight in the show. Plus, twilight is the only one of the group who's an alicorn, and that's the only real catalyst for a real "fall" into evil as the other's importance in the world has been HEAVILY downplayed over the past two seasons except that they are twilight's friends: Not who they ARE, but who they KNOW that's important.

 

 

 

now, this is one of the reasons I loved the nightmarity arc from the comics so much: it put someone ELSE in the important spotlight role and place emphasis on one of the other six and their personality and importance. I would love it if they did Nightmarity again in the comics or show sometime too.

But at this point in the series, I CANNOT see the writers EVER doing a legitimate plot around one of the other 5 turning evil in a two parter sense-- The most we would get would be a 1 parter like Inspiration manifestation, not a truly "serious" two parter event.

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They kind did that in the comics though :huh:. Right Nightmare Rarity :dash:? I still think it's a fantastic idea, but who? Fluttershy for shock value  :-P

I honestly think fluttershy would be a great villain, but she'd need some sort of aptitude towards ambition for control and responsibility over others for it to work.

She was the only really good villain in the comics dark water plot as they showed her going off the deep end in a desire to protect others underneath her-- Basically a situation where responsibility essentially drives her insane/towards villainy. (On a side note, that's the motivation of one of my favorite villains in a JRP, from Breath of fire 3, where the villain's villainy is due to a desire to protect others underneath her and feeling crushed by the weight of her responsibility.)

Unfortunately, NORMAL fluttershy is utterly terrified of being in the spotlight, and leadership of any kind would require that, with her having zero ambition or goals in life, so I can't see her turning evil without a massive kick to her character to drive her to seek out a position of responsibility and the issues that would entail.

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All good points. I knew about all those times. I caught the comic dub of the Nightmare Rarity arc. I cannot see her ever turning against her friends. Think element. It makes all the more sense for one of the Mane Six outside of Twilight because they're mortal more susceptible to corruption? I don't know if I actually want to see it because it would appear tragic and upsetting to young viewers. But of most stories. A hero turning to the dark side is exploited in media. The heel turn of a face character or when someone betrays and turns evil. Then the show focuses on how to bring them back. The event would have to warp them so much that it makes the turn all the more. Ya know how most villains ended up forgiven and wiped clean of all charges. While Queen Crysalis refused them and remained vengeful and cruel. But I suppose the little times they can be corrupted will have to do....

 

What if Rainbow Dash turned? Applejack is honest, Rarity is generous but that ne time playing on her vanity I think? Fluttershy can be too but probably won't though it would be interesting like seeing the Amazon warrior of future Crysalis and she's certainly not shy. But loyalty is a fragile thing. Trust is lost it can be hard to earn back. Which is why Rainbow Dash maybe prime for a little corruption episode. What do you think about that? Theoretically speaking this Mane Six villain plot was to happen how would you write it?

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At this point in time I would really like to see a villain who pretends to be reformed after being defeated in the beginning of the season, only for them to betray them at the end of the season, and not be reformed for real.

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Well, I think the mane 6 members don't fall to evil. Maybe Starlight or Discord will turn again!

 

But what about this:

Maybe a dragon or Ursa Major? I think it would be really cool. What if Ember loses control, because she isn't strong enough for the title, and a new dragon takes control and attacks Equestria. And then either Fluttershy or Celestia defeats him.

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Interesting. Ya know I wonder what if there was a villain so great so powerful that they seem too strong fro even Twilight Sparkle? Such a villain would trump all villains previously even Tirek who had her on the ropes a few times. Dragon Ball Z style ya guys.

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The smart money is on a powerful unicorn.

Smart money is ALWAYS on a powerful unicorn :P

 

If its not a Monster with magic, its going to default to an alicorn, and if not an alicorn, a powerful unicorn-- in order to be a legitimate Equestrian level threat, the villain NEEDS magic of a physical god level, and Earth pony and pegasi magic has been sufficiently neutered/grounded in its codification that it just can't work-- The most you can expect of non-unicorn/alicorn villains is basically being just petty criminals, and that's not enough for a two parter effectively.

 

Sombra (Portrayed as a unicorn pre-retcon) and Starlight are the ONLY non-alicorn/Monster level threats the show's gotten, and even then they barely punched up to the level of other villains.

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Sombra (Portrayed as a unicorn pre-retcon) and Starlight are the ONLY non-alicorn/Monster level threats the show's gotten, and even then they barely punched up to the level of other villains.

Well actually, Sombra isn't a Unicorn, but a Umbrum. So the only non-alicorn/monster level threat is Starlight. But I can see why you call him an Unicorn and I think he is a much more threat then Starlight. He comes at the level of Chrysalis

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Smart money is ALWAYS on a powerful unicorn :P

 

If its not a Monster with magic, its going to default to an alicorn, and if not an alicorn, a powerful unicorn-- in order to be a legitimate Equestrian level threat, the villain NEEDS magic of a physical god level, and Earth pony and pegasi magic has been sufficiently neutered/grounded in its codification that it just can't work-- The most you can expect of non-unicorn/alicorn villains is basically being just petty criminals, and that's not enough for a two parter effectively.

 

Sombra (Portrayed as a unicorn pre-retcon) and Starlight are the ONLY non-alicorn/Monster level threats the show's gotten, and even then they barely punched up to the level of other villains.

Jim Miller (Twilight recolors falling from his embrace): Why can't I hold all these powerful unicorns?!

This needs to become a meme.

 

In other words: this show needs magic immunity and resistance. We've talked about Jedi and Mandalorians before. This could be solved in a similar manner. Granted, a top wizard will always be more versatile than someone relying on artifacts (like BKB, Linken's, Orchid), but you could easily make them into a unicorn hunter that could give an inexperienced sorceress a run for her money. Just don't make them into the biggest big bad. They should be somewhere at Deathstroke's level.

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i don't think it will happen since each of the six have gone several different trials to test them. Which, all have come to tackle the problem and learning from it. I think nothing else will do the trick.

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Well since I enjoy talking DBZ. What if someone willingly chose to return to their old ways? Such a heartbreaking revelation both devastating and something truly challenging for the heroes. Before the bad guy was a force that bested you then you learn, get stronger then come back for a rematch. What if peacetime is boring and you just wa to a little action. You train and you upgrade but fro what. Quiet peaceful domestication. That makes a hero or warrior soft after some time. When you crave just about any action even if you were the cause.

This whole thing is likely leading up to fanfic writers and artist to do since O could never see anypony doing this. Who has the most to lose? Who has the most investment. Of course Twilight Sparkle. I wanna entertain the comment about Midnight taking pony form and the new threat is Midnight Sparkle vs The Mane uh 5 without Sunset Shimmer. How would 5 mortal, ordinary ponies match her, even defeat her. Would Celestia step in for this one since she was once her mentor?

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Well actually, Sombra isn't a Unicorn, but a Umbrum. So the only non-alicorn/monster level threat is Starlight. But I can see why you call him an Unicorn and I think he is a much more threat then Starlight. He comes at the level of Chrysalis

well I say "Unicorn" as that was his original canon that meghan had thought up for him (His entire premise, based on Meghan's interviews about him, is drastically different from what the comic took in :P Not that I'm complaining, I think Show sombra was HORRIBLE)

 

In other words: this show needs magic immunity and resistance.

 

 

But then you're just repeating the Season 6 finale all over again by basically going "Oh! You're not super god powerful because I Have... KRYPTONITE!" like the chair.

 

I'd rather the other two race's magic be brought up to par than just giving unicorn's kryptonite of some kind. (On that note, interested in the upcoming legends of magic comic since we're FINALLY seeing a truly "legendary" earth pony who should be to earth ponies what twilight is to Unicorns.)

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well I say "Unicorn" as that was his original canon that meghan had thought up for him (His entire premise, based on Meghan's interviews about him, is drastically different from what the comic took in :P Not that I'm complaining, I think Show sombra was HORRIBLE)

I didn't know that (Never listen to interviews tho :) ) and Sombra in the comics has a better backstory than in the show, which I think is a pity.

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I didn't know that (Never listen to interviews tho :) ) and Sombra in the comics has a better backstory than in the show, which I think is a pity.

 

McCarthy's original vision for him was basically Sauron, a vague and ominous, inescapable feeling force of evil, with his backstory just being an exceptionally powerful unicorn, not unlike Starlight was originally.  Unfortunately, she failed to make him come off as the same kind of menacing presence that Sauron was.

McCarthy herself admitted she flubbed that up and that Sombra was "permanently dead" which is probably why the comic staff was able to change his backstory so DRASTICALLY: McCarthy seemed like she'd washed her hands of him due to him not turning out like she'd hoped, which allowed the writers carte blanche to do him.

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I don't see Chrysalis coming back straight away as that would be overusing her and would serve as a detriment to her character by forcing her into having revenge as soon as she was defeated. Now, the thought of one of the Mane Six becoming villainous has been done already in the comics by having all of them become evil--despite how convoluted that story arc was--but the show hasn't done it yet and could make it its own thing if done right. Personally, I want to see a brand new villain or a Generation One villain updated for the current generation.

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I don't see Chrysalis coming back straight away as that would be overusing her and would serve as a detriment to her character by forcing her into having revenge as soon as she was defeated. Now, the thought of one of the Mane Six becoming villainous has been done already in the comics by having all of them become evil--despite how convoluted that story arc was--but the show hasn't done it yet and could make it its own thing if done right. Personally, I want to see a brand new villain or a Generation One villain updated for the current generation.

honestly, that Ponies of dark water arc was a major Fumble.

 

A character going evil needs to explore their motivations for turning evil, AND celebrate that character by showing how BAD they'd be if they turned evil: essentially making the audience feel gratitude towards them for being a hero by showing them just how terrible they'd be if they were evil as a villain.

 

 

The mane six in the Dark water comic were overwhelmingly incompetent and came off as Wat tier inneffectual sympathetic villains; AJ was basically a very poor imitation of Donald trump, and, if anything, actually did the OPPOSITE of what a "hero turns into a villain" story should do by showing aj as HARMLESS.

The worst she did was Basically badger people and us bloom as an unpaid intern, and that was it... she was utterly harmless to equestria, giving the unintentional effect of making Applejack seem *pathetic*, since, if she's so harmless as a villain, she doesn't seem so impressive as a hero either. The only thing she did was randomly have Luna's magic stop holding AJ... and that was it. Nothing else.

 

Damnit. That plotline just rubs me the wrong way due to how Much wasted potential it used up, and how we will probably NEVER get a proper "Evil mane six" plotline due to it, since its already been done :(

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I don't see Chrysalis coming back straight away as that would be overusing her and would serve as a detriment to her character by forcing her into having revenge as soon as she was defeated. Now, the thought of one of the Mane Six becoming villainous has been done already in the comics by having all of them become evil--despite how convoluted that story arc was--but the show hasn't done it yet and could make it its own thing if done right. Personally, I want to see a brand new villain or a Generation One villain updated for the current generation.

I hope she doesn't appear in season 7, but in 8.

Honestly, I want Grogar from G1. It would be really awesome to see him.

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But then you're just repeating the Season 6 finale all over again by basically going "Oh! You're not super god powerful because I Have... KRYPTONITE!" like the chair.

 

I'd rather the other two race's magic be brought up to par than just giving unicorn's kryptonite of some kind. (On that note, interested in the upcoming legends of magic comic since we're FINALLY seeing a truly "legendary" earth pony who should be to earth ponies what twilight is to Unicorns.)

Have you ever played MTG or Dota? Hexproof, immunity, silence: these mage-booping instruments offer plenty of interesting interactions between a user and a mage, especially in an environment where simple coded rules do not apply.

 

What we've seen of immunity and magic negation was always just a lazy time-saving way to worf a princess or make shit characters less shit. It was never a trait of a specific developed character but indeed a half-arsed kryptonite. On the other appendage, such magic resistance was used quite successfully in Bartimaeus Sequence without any damage to the story, and there are beings in Harry Potter who also posses similar traits though this was never really important inside that universe. Still, you will find all those in possession of such a gift quite susceptible to more traditional methods.

 

Plus, the powerful horned equines are consistent in one thing and one thing alone: they tend to make lives of other creatures miserable. Thus unicorn hunters are not a proposition. They are a necessity :P

 

As far as non-horned creatures are concerned, their magic shouldn't be increased to be on par with that of unicorns ... at least not pony magic. Traditional magic like alchemy, runes, druidic witchcraft, demonic pacts, and divine heritage should be brought up and developed to fit FIM.

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