S07:E10 - A Royal Problem

[Jeric 46,834]

5 minutes ago, Truffles said:

Another thing I liked about this episode is the little touches like the fact that Celestia enjoys making pancakes by herself instead of relying on her chefs.

This is probably as close to a canon reason as any as to why Twilight and Spike are fans of eating pancakes for breakfast: They probably have fond memories of Celestia inviting them to start the day with her on many occasions before class, and the menu item for all those times was likely her home-made pancakes.

Imagining such scenes with the three of them together makes me all warm and fuzzy inside.  ^______^

I couldn't help but think of this moment. 

These Princesses and fighting exhaustion all the time.

[Ganondox 899]

10 hours ago, Nightmare Muffin said:

siiiigh

Twilight's reaction at the beginning mirrors mine exactly.

WHY is the cutie map calling Starlight? She didn't help with the cutie keys to unlock the chest, or have a throe, which unlocked the map, so WHY?

and she should've learned not to use magic impulsively by now. Isn't that why she graduated her "friendship lessons"? and I find it hard to believe that the only solution was switching the friggin Princesses' cutie marks around, to make them live in the lives of each other. How about suggesting it, without forcing them!?

ugh! Crap like this just makes me dislike Starlight that much more. Positive enforcement like this only gives her reason to use magic for this king of crap. Which she shouldn't be doing, after "To Where and Back again", or "Every little thing she does" or "The Cutie map"

While I do agree with you thoughts up the Cutie Map, she didn't graduate from her reasons by learning not to be impulsive, but for demonstrating leadership talent, showing she overcame her main anxiety that was keeping her from being an effective friend. 

[Starsagittarius 4]

One word to describe this episode, AWESOME!

[ManaMinori 4,143]

20 minutes ago, Ganondox said:

While I do agree with you thoughts up the Cutie Map, she didn't graduate from her reasons by learning not to be impulsive, but for demonstrating leadership talent, showing she overcame her main anxiety that was keeping her from being an effective friend. 

i honestly wouldn't want to have a friend who showed no regard for my destiny, by switching it with anothers' without my consent, on a whim, or who mind controlled me for her own ends.

35 minutes ago, Jeric said:

I couldn't help but think of this moment. 

These Princesses and fighting exhaustion all the time.

and Sunbutt likes to eat pancakes

 

ohhhh sweet Molestia

[Stickman, The Legend 303]

Gaben: Worth the wait!

I agree, this episode was totally worth the wait. Highlight of the season!

[Truffles 2,033]

44 minutes ago, Jeric said:

I couldn't help but think of this moment. 

These Princesses and fighting exhaustion all the time.

Any scene of Twilight fighting sleepiness is adorable, IMO. Her curling up with her books in "Princess Spike" is one of the (few) nice parts of that episode.

Though when I thought of pancakes, I thought of the scene soon after where Spike goes, "Oh - you mean now..." and proceeds to stuff his face with the rest of the pancakes on his way out. XD

[Ganondox 899]

10 hours ago, Kyoshi said:

That doesn't give anyone the right to try and silence others because of that. I have been seeing that a lot today. If people are tired of it, then they should ignore it and leave it be. 

I don't think Starlight is a bad character at this point, she sure as hell started out as one, but she is a lot better now. I just feel this particular episode was pretty terrible at having her be a focal point. I feel it didn't work out well. 

What silencing? Are you mistaking disagreement for attempts at silencing? 

[Jeric 46,834]

1 minute ago, Truffles said:

Any scene of Twilight fighting sleepiness is adorable, IMO. Her curling up with her books in "Princess Spike" is one of the (few) nice parts of that episode.

Though when I thought of pancakes, I thought of the scene soon after where Spike goes, "Oh - you mean now..." and proceeds to stuff his face with the rest of the pancakes on his way out. XD

My Little Pony: Friendship is Pancakes

[Ganondox 899]

9 hours ago, Nightmare Muffin said:

if I feel she's not needed in an episode, and somepony else could be explored and given characterization, then I'll say it. And I have thank you for pointing that out. I didn't say Starlight is terrible- is she being overused? YES. Would I like to see somepony else if the situation calls for it? YES. Is she a terrible pony just by existing? NO. I've already made that clear by saying I LIKED her appearance in Fluttershy Leans in.

You liked her appearance in Fluttershy Leans In...where it made absolutely no difference to the episode. Meanwhile, she actually was important for the plot of this episode, and the Maud Pie one, ect. Really what you're saying is you don't want Starlight Glimmer to matter, so you really do just hate her. She really hasn't appeared that much at all (if anybody it's the cutie mark crusaders who have been showing up all the time), you are just complaining about her being treated like she's a main character. Guess what, she's a main character now, and you're just going to have to accept it. 

[Jeric 46,834]

16 minutes ago, Nightmare Muffin said:

i honestly wouldn't want to have a friend who showed no regard for my destiny

Well ... 

 

It was amusing because I believe Starlight got the shaft in a way. Her spell actually had a built in reset button (not that it was needed because it looks like the Map took care of it at the end). Will someone please hurry up and make this Pony the Princess of Kites?

Impulsiveness seems to be a requirement for the Princesshood elevation path. Except for maybe Cadance ... who is probably shaking her head at the lot of them. 

This is probably why none of those particular issues bother me. I'm a slave to a good story and characters who are in service to the story. 

If I want other elements of narrative style, I can look elsewhere or pull a Barthes. I SHALL DESTROY THE AUTHOR WITH MY GREATEST ARSENAL ... MY IMAGINATION. 

> Evil Daybreaker Laugh

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This was posted on Deviantart two months ago, and Daybreaker as seen here is exactly the same. Coincidence? I think not.

[ManaMinori 4,143]

16 minutes ago, Jeric said:

Well ... 

 

It was amusing because I believe Starlight got the shaft in a way. Her spell actually had a built in reset button (not that it was needed because it looks like the Map took care of it at the end). Will someone please hurry up and make this Pony the Princess of Kites?

Impulsiveness seems to be a requirement for the Princesshood elevation path. Except for maybe Cadance ... who is probably shaking her head at the lot of them. 

This is probably why none of those particular issues bother me. I'm a slave to a good story and characters who are in service to the story. 

If I want other elements of narrative style, I can look elsewhere or pull a Barthes. I SHALL DESTROY THE AUTHOR WITH MY GREATEST ARSENAL ... MY IMAGINATION. 

> Evil Daybreaker Laugh

Twilight's destiny altering flub was a mistake, because she didn't know what she was reading or what it did. That's forgivable. (though not very smart to read aloud spells you don't know what effect thay

ll have). Starlight does it deliberately.

[Jeric 46,834]

11 minutes ago, Nightmare Muffin said:

Starlight does it deliberately.

Im going be "2nd definition guy". She didn't have time to to it in a deliberate manner. It was a snap decision based on gut instinct. Definitely no deliberating was involved.

Oh and I was mostly being silly with that earlier response. I figured that the Princess of Kites thing would give it away. At this point I'm in levity mode. 

[Thrond 3,257]

49 minutes ago, Nightmare Muffin said:

Twilight's destiny altering flub was a mistake, because she didn't know what she was reading or what it did. That's forgivable. (though not very smart to read aloud spells you don't know what effect thay

ll have). Starlight does it deliberately.

Starlight doesn't want to hurt anyone, though. She just... doesn't think about what she's doing. 

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[Drunkfrank 1,125]

New favorite in the season, guaranteed for top 10 of the series, stellar, I hope Day Breaker returns, she is so sassy yet evil at the same time.

 

I was lowkey hoping for a Luna Celestia 2v2 vs Daybreaker and Nightmare moon, obviously it wouldn't have happened but it would have been cool.

[Ganondox 899]

8 hours ago, Ganondorf8 said:

Now that was definitely an episode though I will say that there are some contradictions in place mainly because of Celestia having performed Luna's duties for 1,000 years, but that's another story and not this one. Anyone who has said that Celestia was dull and boring now realize that she is anything but that. She has insecurities, fears, and even mopey moments that she has done well to hide for so long. Plus... Daybreaker.... Nightmare Star's official form in the show and a counterpart to Nightmare Moon. If Celestia never thought about what might happen were she to go down the path of darkness, seeing an evil version of herself will definitely do it.

Luna also got some much needed character development though maybe she shouldn't smile as much because it can and will cause nightmares. Speaking of nightmares, that one scene where the fillies confront her in front of the mirror was definitely creepy to the point where I felt uncomfortable watching it. I knew the writers could provide dark scenes but nothing like that. She also wins at having the best grumpy face imaginable. Upon looking back on the episode, Twilight wasn't really needed as all she did was continue giving Starlight unnecessary stress, but I can look past that because she was so adorable as that little dancing figurine--I legitimately freaked out when I saw that was her.

Then we have Starlight herself, and while she did unintentionally get things rolling by relying on her gut, she became more of a supporting character in the second half while the princesses came to the conclusion on their own with Starlight providing a few suggestions to help them along. I personally didn't see Starlight as being a divisive presence but rather someone who continues questioning her methods because she gets stressed out when nothing goes the way she hopes. Granted, her instincts do lead to more trouble but at least she admits when she is wrong though maybe more consequences are in order.

No doubt this episode will be well remembered for everything it did and judging from what I've been seeing, it's already proving to be divisive for the obvious reasons.

I think she performed only the lowering of the moon, which is what her snip about it being easier was a reference to, so Equestria was just terrorized by nightmares for a thousand years I guess. 

[Steve Piranha 28,770]

Well, there's one way to react with this episode

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...Whoa

I mean, I expected this episode to be interesting at the least, but I didn't think it would exceed my expectations this much.

Luna and especially Celestia finally get the screen time they deserve, and it shows. Celestia especially shows quite possibly the most depth she ever has in this show. It also manages to put a knew twist on the, "Character has to spend a day in the other character's shoes" cliche. That, including the little sprinkles of humor between Twilight and Starlight make this episode stand out.

[Ganondox 899]

2 hours ago, Nightmare Muffin said:

i honestly wouldn't want to have a friend who showed no regard for my destiny, by switching it with anothers' without my consent, on a whim, or who mind controlled me for her own ends.

and Sunbutt likes to eat pancakes

 

ohhhh sweet Molestia

So? That's beside the point, which is that her magic impulsivity had nothing to do with her graduation, that was the theme of only one episode. 

[Babyyoshi309 1,829]

9 hours ago, Ganondorf8 said:

Now that was definitely an episode though I will say that there are some contradictions in place mainly because of Celestia having performed Luna's duties for 1,000 years.

Actually, Celestia just raised the moon. She did not help with dreams. In fact, they literally say in the episode that Celestia CAN'T control dreams like Luna can.

[DJ Wolfe 5,310]

My reaction.

That episode was superb. The writers did a great job as well.

[SaburoDaimando 1,196]

Something I wanna add that I thought was fascinating: Daybreaker right now stands as the only villain that none of the Mane 6, be it in Equestria or on Earth, actually even confronted.  It's only Celestia, Luna and Starlight.  Which makes me wonder how Twilight and the others will react to the idea of Daybreaker?

[Jeric 46,834]

@SaburoDaimando Right? If Starlight actually mentions that Daybreaker seemed even more powerful than NMM (based on the effort Celestia had to expend to defeat her compared to NMM) ... I imagine they would have a look on their faces akin to horror. 

[SaburoDaimando 1,196]

17 minutes ago, Jeric said:

@SaburoDaimando Right? If Starlight actually mentions that Daybreaker seemed even more powerful than NMM (based on the effort Celestia had to expend to defeat her compared to NMM) ... I imagine they would have a look on their faces akin to horror. 

Judging by how the episode ended, I think Twilight may have learned about Daybreaker.  

 

Speaking of which, if I see Tara Strong again at Comic-Con, I would simply ask "How would Twilight Sparkle react if she learned about Daybreaker?"

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"So much black! We get it, you're sad."
Made my day.

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