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9 hours ago, Unlikeable Pony said:

 

There is a difference between "KILL THEM ALL!" and wanting villains who are VILLAINS, stay villains, and Have to be beaten by magic instead of just reforming because someone gives them a sugary speech and holds out their hands.

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I'm not against the occasional Reformation, but it shouldn't be the go to response for every single person.

I actually have to agree there. As much as I love good endings like this, sometimes it's better to just defeat the villains, instead of forcing friendship on them. That being said I don't like Discord's reformation. "Poor Fluttershy" - these were my thoughts, when I saw where that was going. He makes jokes of the whole friendship many times ~ sometimes I wonder if letting him stay as statue wouldn't be a better choice. He's kinda out of place and makes me feel sad for Fluttershy. She obviously doesn't deserve that, though on the other hoof, there are good things coming with it - Discord tries his best, so he deserves that chance I guess.

This is more complex than it seems...

 

Though in this case, I don't have anything against Juniper. I'm happy it ended like this.

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50 minutes ago, A.V. said:

 

But I like Starlight's head.

 

At worst, just give her probation via one of those anti-magic scanners from Equestria Games, or something.

 

Geez.

 

 

 

I agree with you on that Starlight's better having her magic temporarily suspended, NOT beheaded; that's just harsh!

Uhh... my only concern is why did you use that particular clip of the Cat in the Hat's "Happy Place". Just what are you trying to say with that clip?

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55 minutes ago, WiiGuy2014 said:

Uhh... my only concern is why did you use that particular clip of the Cat in the Hat's "Happy Place". Just what are you trying to say with that clip?

 

Because it sums up the typical Brony reaction to the "Chrysalis gets redeemed" scenario Mesme mentioned.

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Just now, A.V. said:

 

Because it sums up the typical Brony reaction to the "Chrysalis gets redeemed" scenario Mesme mentioned.

How exactly does it sums up the typical Brony reaction to the "Chrysalis gets redeemed" scenario?

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16 minutes ago, A.V. said:

It feels like a low blow, so they go into denial.

Oh, "Low Blow" like how the Cat is thinking of his happy place to suppress the pain from said low blow! Got it!

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1 hour ago, Steve Piranha said:

Hey, am I the only one who noticed Sunny's gone carnivore :dash: ?

I watched that scene, but while the others are eating the sandwiches, I never actually noticed SUNSET pick up one of the patties. Plus, they could be Non-meat patties: they're yellow after all, they might be chicken, they might be garbanzo bean burgers.

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8 hours ago, A.V. said:

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To be fair, the novelization (Magic, Magic Everywhere!) decently improves on a lot of Mirror Magic's problems (e.g., Novelization!Juniper is more developed and likable).

What is the novel like?

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13 hours ago, A.V. said:

Update:

 

To be fair, the novelization (Magic, Magic Everywhere!) decently improves on a lot of Mirror Magic's problems (e.g., Novelization!Juniper is more developed and likable).

I may consider getting it, as it's true that Juniper is one of the weakest spots in the whole series of shorts

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My biggest gripe with this episode: we FINALLY get to see Sunset return to Equestria...AND SHE DOESN'T PAY CELESTIA A VISIT? Is she still that scared about reconciling or are they implying that she's visited Equestria again before this and already made up OFF-SCREEN?

 

I'm sorry, but the first 3 movies built up her coming home and seeing Celestia so much and it hasn't happened evidently! If fanfic writers are actively acting on this idea more than Hasbro is, there's something wrong with whoever's writing these EQG stories....

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On 29 mei 2017 at 2:12 AM, A.V. said:

My least-favorite of the 3.

 

Starlight once again saved the day at the expense of everyone else being Worfed, and Juniper's my new pick for worst villain (in G4 overall, not just EQG).

 

P.S.: I'm not one of those Starlight-haters (in fact, her interactions with Sunset, and Human design were great).

I actually wasn't thrilled with all 3 shorts. :lie:

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I get that this isn't the most popular of the specials, but given the synopsis made it seem pretty interesting to me, I was still looking forward to it, and was willing to give it a chance.

I actually really enjoyed this special.  In fact I would say that it is hands down my favorite of the 3.

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I liked Mirror Magic. It was nice seeing Sunset go back to Equestria (even if it wasn't for long) and I thought Starlight had some amusing moments. I thought Juniper's redemption was alright. I think it could've been handled better, but it didn't feel as rushed as Starlight's did to me.

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Sorta liked the perp-walk-of-shame at the end as Starlight, SciTwi and Sunset all 'fess up to their bouts of equestrian-magic-fuelled mayhem (and Pinkie's comment on forgiveness). But yeah,  White Ranger time for Starlight. Again. What IS with the plot device of the powerful usual characters being incapacitated so that Starlight (or previously Twi) could step up and save the day?

Also interesting that Starlight didn't confess to progressively destroying the whole of Equestria in her successive attempts to get revenge on Twi, but possibly Twi agreed to keep that just between themselves :D

6 minutes ago, PinkiePie97 said:

I liked Mirror Magic. It was nice seeing Sunset go back to Equestria (even if it wasn't for long) and I thought Starlight had some amusing moments. I thought Juniper's redemption was alright. I think it could've been handled better, but it didn't feel as rushed as Starlight's did to me.

I am OK with the various redemptions in the show.

Surprised the Equality Villagers were so forgiving, but it's possible enough time had passed between the season premiere and finale that they had got over it themselves and convinced themselves it wasn't so bad apart from the whole cutie-mark-theft-thing (or maybe Twi's presence influenced things). The whole of the rest of Equestria doesn't know anything about her other than that she is Twi's new pupil, so not a lot of need to get over a bad rep there, and of course none of that really applies over in EqG.

Sunset got shunned hard for a while, but her big endgame scene in RR probably balanced out things a bit; on the one hand, she turned them into a zombie horde for a few minutes, but on the other, she saved them from being turned into a zombie horde by the sirens, so score draw?

Where SciTwi is concerned, the blame got deflected nicely onto Cinch, who we know lost her job over it, and of course once at Canterlot High, a lot of the existing pro-Twi sentiment is going to spill over onto her.

 

What DOES make me curious is the logo on Sunset's new book - it looks to be split, half Sunny and half Starlight

(so tempted to use the SunShim thing there :) )

Have to wonder if this new book is for both Sunny AND Starlight, and implies there may be more Star-in-EqG eps forthcoming?

(Resisting a temptation of -vs-the-forces-of-evil reference too :D )

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For me, Mirror Magic is the best of the three specials. I was very eager to see Starlight Glimmer in the EG world and I was totally NOT disappointed!

Sorry, it's just that I'm now fond of reformed characters as they unlock their true potential and Starlight Glimmer is a primary example of all this. I loved her human design and she once again, was fantastic.

Anyway, back to the special at hoof. It was also great to see Sunset Shimmer in her pony form again after a long time and Pinkie Pie as her usual self.  As a result this is one of those episodes I like to watch over and over again. This makes me wish there should be an Equestria Girls TV series.

That's all I can say about Mirror Magic.

 

 

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This bored me stiff. Worst villain MLP has had yet, paired with a soulless, dry, unfunny story which I honestly cannot find any real merit in. This is the kind of simple garbage which I liked Friendship is Magic for *not* being like, and surely this will prove once and for all that it's bad writing rather than merely a lack of action which makes for a boring episode. Although, this one could have used a lot more action as well, because at least that would have been something stimulating. I just can't deal with Equestria Girls being boring anymore. 

Full review at my blog.

Also, I don't see how Starlight Glimmer's inclusion in this is at all defensible. Not only does she have nothing unique to offer, she basically takes the spotlight away from the characters which actually matter in Equestria Girls without doing anything to be a worthwhile replacement. And she acts really weird in this episode, which only adds to how inconsistent she can seem in the show. The only thing which sticks with her is her absolute lack of distinguishing character traits, and taking her magic away basically removes the only thing about her I find even remotely interesting. Would it kill the writers to develop her in a simple slice-of-life story which doesn't happen to also be a big deal for another character? I don't have the energy to defend her anymore. 

At least there's some slight material for my Sunset/Princess Twi shipping. Sunset seemed pretty happy about sending that message. But Sunset is such an empty, dull character that I'm starting to lose my interest in even that. I really miss Friendship Games (which I still contend is massively underrated). 

While I'm here: "Movie Magic" > "Dance Magic" > "Mirror Magic."

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Definitely was looking forward to this and (the first half) was spectacular. The rest was just good just because we didn't know too much about Juniper I didn't care what direction they went with her.

It's funny because with all the complaints of the climax and resolution I could see it was mostly because Polsky had written the story into a corner. People would have like Sunset and Starlight to save the day but Juniper herself is no threat. Maybe they needed that demon design in there (sadly it doesn't look nearly as good as Sunset's or Gloriosa's). Even the mirror itself had no explanation. It wasn't like Sunset crossing back to Equestria released magic. The two stories almost didn't connect.

I would have liked it if Sunset while showing Starlight around overhears Juniper sulking and planning a possible revenge. They both take the initiative to have a heart to heart with her. This shows that not only do they know how she feels but are willing to help someone out of that funk before she goes as far as they did. Polsky's characterizaton is one of favorites (after AKR and Haber) and I know he could have pulled that off but hey it wasn't meant to be.

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I waited all this time to watch this special in particular and after finally seeing it, I was satisfied with how everything turned out, but I will admit that there were the same obvious flaws that plagued the previous specials, namely time constraints and not explaining everything. To start with, I loved how Sunset and Starlight played off of each other especially when both had to adjust to being in a completely different environment--Starlight to me just screamed Twilight upon becoming human while Sunset walking on two hooves was dexterous and also a little sad as it had been so long since she last got to visit Equestria. Also, I was surprised that they knew of the other's existence yet we should thank Twilight for that.

I've often said that I was waiting for Starlight to do that little extra thing that would make me like her, and this special was what finally did it though not for saving the day. No, it was her interaction with Sunset and how the two shared similar but different backstories that finally won me over so now I will say proudly that I like Starlight--Sunset will always be higher up in my heart though. Pinkie was right about one thing: Their group forgives so easily. I laughed at how they all confessed their past actions because of how out there it was not to mention Juniper being surprised at hearing it from them.

Speaking of Juniper, she wasn't really a villain per say but rather more like a troublemaker who ended up using something she shouldn't have. Her transformation was expected yet it wasn't monstrous like the others but instead an amalgamation of her deepest desires. A shame that it all got resolved so quickly and without any pony-ups in the process but perhaps if this had been a movie, it could have been given more depth. At least we know where Juniper ended up after Movie Magic and how she was employed though who's to say if she is still employed there given what happened.

I know Starlight saving the day will upset people but I thought it worked since she knew what it was like to be in Juniper's shoes, and besides, she--Starlight--had no magic so she had to use personal experience to resolve the problem. Once again, time constraint was the biggest flaw along with a few inconsistences such as how the girls knew who Starlight was unless Sunset told them about her through the journal for instance. Speaking of the journal, glad Sunset got a new one though perhaps that shouldn't have been her reason for going back to Equestria. She still needs to reconcile with Celestia and fans have wanted for that to happen for the past several years now.

Overall, I really liked this one despite the flaws and I now can see Starlight in a different light than before. I think she could do with some more experiences in the human world and likewise Sunset could do with some more experiences back in Equestria. One last thing... pony Sunset! We finally got to see her as a pony again after so long and I hope Enterplay can give her--Sunset--a Mane Character Card in the MLP CCG or some new cards based on her two minutes as a pony.

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While it was awesome to see Sunset Shimmer back in Equestria for a brief time "Mirror Magic" was my least favorite of the three 

 

Equestria Girls specials.

 

Mirror Magic felt very rushed, IMO & I wish Juniper Montage had been introduced in the first Equestria Girls special to flesh out her

 

character more thus giving me a reason to actually feel happy to see her reformed instead of just feeling "meh" about it after it happened.

 

 

 

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I've seen this special today, and I really enjoyed it. I've finally got to see Sunset Shimmer as a pony since the first Equestria girls movie. And it's nice to see Starlight Glimmer enter the other world. As for Juniper Montage, I'll be thinking about her motives for a while.

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Good evening everypony, and welcome back to yet another edition of "Batbrony Reviews"!  Tonight I'll be looking at the three recent EQG "shorts" (only in the sense that rather than feature length films they were simply episode-length affairs) "Dance Magic," "Movie Magic," and "Mirror Magic."  These will all be included in one review since, unlike my normal fare, the reviews for all three of these should be considerably shorter.  Without further ado, let's dive in, this is "Equestria Girls: 'Dance Magic,' 'Movie Magic,' and 'Mirror Magic'."!!!

"Dance Magic"

The first one of these was easily my least favorite, despite some WILDLY entertaining bits to it.  "Dance Magic" was like if you took the first EQG movie and condensed all of its problems and positives into a 22 minute episode; wildly entertaining and fun in some moments, but mind numbingly stupid in others.  The plus side is that Rarity actually got featured here, and as far as her performance goes, she was spot on.  Tabitha could do this role in her sleep at this point and any "Rarity moments" were pretty much perfect; Human Rarity crying on a fainting couch in her room, eating ice cream when she was sad and making sad-nomming noises, just getting WONDERFULLY over-the-top whenever she got in a mood, I loved all of that start to finish.  Rebecca Shoichet got to sing at one point as Sunset and, even though I couldn't have cared less about the song itself (and neither did Daniel Ingram from the way it sounded, seriously, sounded like he churned that thing out in an afternoon, if that), hearing Rebecca sing in her normal singing voice is ALWAYS a joy, I mean, just wowwwwwwww her voice is gorgeous.  It was cool that they were continuing on from "Legend of the Everfree" by having the girls raise money for Camp Everfree to fix it up, I really did like that detail.  Besides that and the fact that the voice cast in general is always a joy to listen to, I didn't really dig much else.

For starters, for the first half, Rarity was... kind of stupid.  Like, take her naivety in "Rarity Takes Manehattan" (a FAR superior showing compared to this, and behavior which is far more forgivable in the context of that episode) and amplify it times ten.  I mean, she goes and straight up blurts what she plans on doing for this music video contest to girls who she not only knows WILL be competing against them, but have been... well, for lack of a better way of putting it, kind of bitchy in the past (while I'm on the subject of the Crystal Prep girls, WHERE THE BUCK WAS THE RAINBOW DASH/LIGHTNING DUST CANTERLOT PREP DOPPLEGANGER???  There were supposed to be five of them but there were only four, where the buck did she disappear off to, seriously???).  I have no idea why she thought that was a good idea for one moment.  To be fair she fesses up that it was her fault later on, so she at least realizes her error, but that doesn't excuse how stupid it was.  In the second half, it was the rest of the girls who were kind of idiotic.  They kept throwing out ridiculously stupid ideas for the music video, and I get that they were just trying to lighten the mood, EXCEPT this was not just money they were trying to win just for themselves, THIS was money they were trying to raise for bucking Camp Everfree, SO TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY GIRLS, especially after you blew all the money you'd already raised on costumes for the music video!  Not to mention that the girls decided for some reason that they NEEDED to use their Equestria-horse anthro powers (whatever)... for the music video.  I will never like those anthro designs, but I am at a point where I can accept the girls using those powers when they need to, but this????  This hardly seems like a situation that calls for those powers at all.  The ending was also ridiculously telegraphed; it's not like MLP isn't oftentimes somewhat predictable in where episodes are going, but usually the execution of it isn't.  You can often see where an episode will end up, but not usually how it will.  Here, the second I heard stuff like that the prize was TWICE as much as they needed for Camp Everfree, and that the Crystal Prep girls were trying to raise money for their school dance (which, I'm sorry, I don't really care about that "plight," their gym can't be all that bad when Crystal Prep is a super exclusive private school, so I can't imagine it'd be an awful place to have a dance, even if it wasn't a yacht), I knew that the two groups were going to join forces to earn the prize and split it 50/50, and lo and behold whaddya know, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED!  So yeah, like I said, this was the first EQG movie condensed into a 22 minute episode in terms of quality.  Entertaining in certain spots, but very mehhhhh overall because it didn't really feel like something that the DHX crew cared about making, it felt like something they might have assigned to new hires or even interns just to do or as a first time project.  I'm not trying to be overly critical, it's just not particularly good, and if that's what an EQG show would ever look like... yeah, sorry, I'll pass on that.

"Movie Magic"

"Movie Magic" was better than "Dance Magic," but oddly more forgettable, probably because there was as little to love as there was to hate in it.  The best way I can describe it is that it was essentially an MLP episode meets Scooby Doo, no joke, I'm not even kidding.  The Humane 7 "gang" basically has to solve a mystery of some sort (not a particularly good one, again, like "Dance Magic" the ending was terribly telegraphed), which mostly Sci-Twi and Rainbow tackle.  I'll be honest, I'm not a fan of "movie-studio" episodes in kids show, or when cartoons depict movie productions, they just feel a little... too close to the showmakers' actual culture, like, you know they're a part of this culture so they're going to be super tongue in cheek about a lot of stuff.  That kind of happened here, with the usual cliches like a drama queen actress being bitchy for a lot of the episode, a jealous assistant/relative of the director, and all types of "whacky" sights on set.  Seen it before, never been a big fan of it before, and not really a fan of it here.  I will admit that I kind of liked the director since he didn't come off as a jerk, just a nice guy who genuinely was really stressed out and had a lot on his hands to juggle (his tearing apart his niece at the end after she got caught was pretty satisfying too).  Same with when it first got brought up in "Dance Magic," I am REALLY not a fan of Daring Do and A.K. Yearling pretty much existing in the exact same way in the human MLP world as they do in Equestria, that just seems... forced.  Like, I can accept a lot of the parallels between the two worlds, but that is REALLY starting to stretch it, as is the idea that Rainbow Dash is the super fan of her here as well.  Having there be human counterparts is one thing, but making them virtually identical in how they behave AND what has happened to them in critical ways, that's another.  Granted, even that didn't bother me as much as the Power Ponies bit.  In a bid just to put them in some superhero costumes (a very lazy excuse for doing so if you ask me) the girls stumble onto a superhero movie set and it turns out to be for... Power Ponies.  Like, no joke, the director says POWER PONIES!!!  WHY???  Why are they called that in this world???  There's absolutely nothing about them that looks or screams ponies in this world!  I know that a lot of the pony puns have carried over from Equestria to this world, but the Power Ponies one makes no bucking sense.  So ya wanna know why it exists?  Because the writers didn't want to come up with a new name because they cared more about just getting the girls into the costumes to begin with to make them look more interesting.  The final scene where the girls got to be in the film was pretty entertaining, but overall, while this was technically better than "Dance Magic," it was, like I said, something I'll barely be able to remember going forward.

"Mirror Magic"

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OK... wow.  Just... wow.  In all the right ways, I am VERY happy to say!  The bad news is that "Mirror Magic" is clearly the only one of these three that DHX gave a shit about or that any bronies should give a shit about.  The good news is that DHX gave a shit about it in ALL the right ways!  If "Dance Magic" is the episode equivalent of the first EQG film, then "Mirror Magic" is the episode equivalent of "Rainbow Rocks."  It's the only one REALLY worthy your time and has anything any of us have ever actually loved about the EQG movies.  Let's list them, shall we?

1.  Sunset Shimmer is the focus of "Mirror Magic," not any of the other Humane 7.  The Humane 7 (including Sci-Twi) may be human versions of our beloved Equestrian characters, but they are NOT the same characters as them and never have been.  The worst consequence of this is that we've never had the same connection to them as we do the pony versions, so they've never really served well as THE main characters of any EQG property.  Every time they're in the spotlight in a major way they feel like cardboard cutouts of their Equestrian counterparts, caricatures of them.  The less focus on that, the better.  Sunset Shimmer, on the other hand, has always been the most interesting character in any EQG property, bar none, and I am always happy to see anything EQG focused on her first and foremost.  It's a big reason that "Rainbow Rocks" is the best EQG movie to date, and as big of a reason that "Mirror Magic" is far and away the best of these episodes.  As a result of Sunset Shimmer being the focus, the rest of the Humane 7 fill the roles they're best suited for in EQG; supplemental supporting roles, and they're GREAT when they're like that!  They're not distracting, they still have some fun lines (Pinkie Pie was particularly good here), and they do just enough to help out overall without it feeling forced.  This is EQG in its wheelhouse and I have no idea why this is still hard for them to do.  I know they probably don't want to ALWAYS be focused on Sunset, but I'm sorry, she still remains the only actually interesting original character to this property with the only really interesting ideas to explore, ESPECIALLY because of her Equestrian origins.  Without the Equestrian ties (which none of the other girls have), all you're left with is a bunch of human knockoffs of our ponies, and that's no fun!

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If this were an actual "Ed, Edd, n' Eddy" reference, that'd be pretty bucking awesome

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Me every time Sunset Shimmer is the focus of EQG

2.  Sunset Shimmer meets Starlight Glimmer.  I REPEAT, SUNSET SHIMMER MEETS STARLIGHT GLIMMER AND IT IS PURE JOY AND OH MY GOSH HOW HAS THE WORLD NOT IMPLODED FROM THIS MUCH AWESOME?!?!?!

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Every brony when this happened

Wow, let me tell you, everything with these two was bucking perfection.  Sunset going back to Equestria was the true highlight of all of this, and I had not realized just how much I missed seeing her in pony form (especially since this is the first time we ever got to see her as a pony as a good character and not a villain).  Dear Lord did they take advantage of giving her "cross-dimensional" jet lag after being in the human world for so long.  Her standing on two pony legs (adorably), not remembering how to pick things up with her hooves and forgetting to use her magic until she remembered she had a horn, THAT was funny and kind of tragic on some levels.  She is increasingly getting out of touch with her Equestrian roots, and it made me even fear where her story is going.  I'm calling it right now, I think that the ultimate way they're going to ensure that magic doesn't keep leaking from Equestria into the human world is to cut off all ties to it (you just have to believe that Twilight's 24/7 portal is causing all kinds of magical imbalance shit leading to that), which will mean that at that point, Sunset has to decide between staying in the human world or going back to Equestria, and I have to believe she'd stay in the human world.  It'd be a tragic but fulfilling way for her to discover and fulfill her destiny, and I'd love it as much as I'd hate it on a sad level (mostly because we wouldn't get more pony Sunset, but also because she'd never get to come back to her home, unless of course they went with the whole "this is her true home now" angle, though she still seems to often miss Equestria and want at times to go back, so who knows what'll happen).  Anyways, besides that, her and Starlight hitting it off was adorable, Starlight coming back with her (behind Twilight's back no less) was even more adorable and hilarious, and the two essentially becoming "reformed-villains" besties was THE GREATEST!!!  I could keep going on and on, but seriously, just watch it for yourself, if you need any more convincing that this was amazing then you probably haven't seen enough of either of these characters to begin with.

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3.  ACTUAL MAGIC SHIT GOING ON THAT I GAVE A SHIT ABOUT!  OK, this magic mirror wasn't that interesting (although the idea of them being stuck in the mirror in that mirror limbo or disappearing into nothingness once it was destroyed was pretty creepy) but it was at LEAST some Equestrian stuff!  I didn't give two shits about their "problems" in the first two episodes because they were ALL human-world problems, no Equestrian stuff whatsoever.  This was at least an interesting issue at hoof with actual Equestrian roots.  Sure the villain wasn't that good (although I will say that Juniper Montage was AT LEAST a better villain than bucking Principal Cinch from "Friendship Games," and her reform was handled pretty well), but the mirror itself was pretty creepy overall.

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I can take the villain only so seriously when shit like THIS happens!

4.  A solid conclusion overall, with Starlight Glimmer doing a pretty bang up job convincing Juniper to give friendship and forgiveness a chance (with an especially fun and amusing joke from Pinkie Pie about just how many of their friends are reformed villains who've been forgiven).

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Pfffftttt, and this is why I bite my ice cream ^_^

It's pretty easy to see that this was the only one of these three episodes TRULY worth anyone's time, though the other two are worth seeing if only to get some context for this one as well as to see how much better "Mirror Magic" is than the other two.  I came away from this for the first time since "Rainbow Rocks" genuinely happy to actually accept EQG stuff as canon in the greater MLP universe.  Playing around with how you could connect the two worlds, giving as much of the spotlight to Sunset Shimmer and her story as you can, getting characters like Starlight involved, THIS is everything I want to see and more in EQG!  I wish they wouldn't run from stuff like this in other EQG stuff, but as long as there is even a promise of more spotlight being put on Sunset Shimmer, bring on more EQG, I say!!!  Other than that, not too much else to say.  That's all I've got for you, everypony, until next time this is Batbrony signing off!  I'm off!!! *cue dramatic exit* :muffins:

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