S07:E21 - Marks and Recreation

[DonMaguz 1,023]

Good episode.

First of all, I enjoyed the humor a lot, specially the unintentional haikus from Kettle Corn and "calm" Sweetie Belle.

I disliked Thunderlane so much from the beginning for pushing Rumble into something he didn't want to do, and then he gets in the way of Rumble's obstacle course run pushing Rumble into being a total jerk at the camp because he was forced to go.

I had the feeling that all the ponies who attended camp were younger than the crusaders. They really seemed to be maturing, I can only hope that it may be shown physically but I know they would hardly change their designs.

The song from this episode is my least favorite from this season, but it is because the rest of them are amazing and I found this one to be just entertaining.

Overall the episode was good but not a great one, it gets a 7/10 by my taste.

Cheers.

[Ashen Pathfinder 16,151]

Finally got around to watching he full episode, and I must say that this was pure enjoyment from start to finish. While it won't rank as the greatest on my list, it's easily one of the better ones in the series.

[Batbrony 15,994]

Good evening, everypony, and welcome back to another edition of "Batbrony Reviews"!  This week's episode, while not quite as surprisingly excellent as last week's, was still, nonetheless, quite exceptional for what it was.  Our last Cutie Mark Crusader episode of the season, "Marks and Recreation" features the CMC starting a Cutie Mark day camp for blank flanks, mostly so that they can help more than one at a time.  However, trouble arises when Rumble decides he'd rather remain a blank flank than get his cutie mark, and convinces the other campers to do the same.  Without further ado, this is "Marks and Recreation."

So one thing that particularly stood out to me about this episode to start off is simply how many fillies and colts it featured.  Now make no mistake, we've seen plenty of ponies from the CMC's age group before, oftentimes in episodes featuring them in school.  The difference between those episodes and this one, however, are that, normally, most of the ponies there are mostly background characters.  They might have some jokes or bits here and there, but for the most part they're not exactly critical to the plot.  Here, however, not only was Rumble one of the main characters, but at least 2-3 of the other fillies and colts, including Pipsqueak, Kettle Corn, and Skeedaddle, were all supporting characters actively involved in the main events of the episode.  Hell, Kettle Corn got her bucking cutie mark, then disowned it, and then re-embraced it all in the same episode!  All in all, it was just very pleasing seeing how much young ponies besides the CMC featured in this episode, and I certainly wouldn't mind seeing more episodes like this one in that regard.

Where this episode suffered for that, however, might just have been with the CMC themselves.  Don't get me wrong, for the most part the CMC were perfectly fine.  Their day camp idea was great, they were doing an awesome job counseling their friends, and they moved the action of the episode along just fine.  However, when you get down to it, most of this episode (including its resolution even) is driven by Rumble and Thunderlane.  The CMC usually facilitate most of what's going on, but this didn't really seem like an episode where they learned anything at all, they simply helped a friend learn a valuable lesson, but really his big brother helped him learn that more than they did.  I wouldn't mind that the CMC kind of took a backseat in certain respects (again, make no mistake, they were still main characters, just not as explicitly as they usually are), if it weren't for one thing.  The writers for some reason felt the need to force the CMC to not realize that Rumble was phoning in every one of his "attempts" to do any camp activities.  The only reason I can figure they may have felt the need to do this is because the CMC didn't realize what fears about cutie marks Rumble may have had until Thunderlane told them he was good at all of the things they thought he wasn't good at, which led them to realize he was deliberately failing at them because he didn't want to get a cutie mark at something other than flying.  I can kind of understand their reasoning, but at the same time, with how smart the CMC as a whole are - not to mention how obvious some of Rumble's "failure" at the camp activities were, seriously, the guy couldn't have been more obvious that he simply wasn't trying if he, well, tried - it felt really forced that they honestly thought he just wasn't good at any of these things.  It doesn't break the whole episode or anything, it just felt like unnecessarily forced writing.  Overall, however, the CMC had a pretty solid episode, and Sweetie Belle in particular gets props for easily the funniest moment of the episode when she straight up broke out her own version of a "Rarity freakout."

They really should start charging for their cutie mark services at some point if this really is what they're meant to do their whole lives... oh don't look at me like that, YOU WOULD TOO IF YOU HAD TO!!! 

Thankfully, even though the CMC weren't exactly the bright spots of this episode, the true bright spots more than made up for it.  First we've got Rumble, who prior to this has only appeared in minor supporting or background roles before.  Here, excellently voiced by Vincent Tong (deliciously feeding the rumors that DHX intentionally casts him in roles that are at least somewhat douchey), he serves for most of the episode as its main antagonist before finally learning an incredibly valuable lesson.  His fear for most of the episode is that if he tries something other than honing his flying skills, then he may accidentally get his cutie mark in something else that'll keep him from becoming a Wonderbolt like his older brother, Thunderlane.  This is great on a couple of levels.  First, speaking as an older sibling myself, I can totally see where a fear like this would come from for a younger sibling like Rumble.  Younger siblings often can feel like they're in their older siblings shadow in terms of personal achievements and life goals, and may even struggle with figuring out what they want to do even as a result, especially if they idolize their elder sibling to a point that they want to be just like them.  This is obviously not the case with all siblings, but it very often can be, and here that's clearly the case (though Rumble does seem to have some insecurity issues as well considering he clearly doesn't just idolize Thunderlane, he makes it very clear at certain points that he wants to be as cool as him, but not just thought of as Thunderlane's little brother).

In all honesty, as a big brother, I do have to say as well that I wouldn't have had any complaints if Thunderlane had smacked some sense into Rumble THIS way instead 

On another level, it was great seeing the show once again delve into the lore of cutie marks and what concerns ponies might have about them, especially growing up.  They're so commonplace in pony society that it's actually quite believable that most ponies would take them for granted and simply assume that everypony will "get" cutie marks (not just physically get them, but understand what they're deal is and what they mean to them).  But the show has made it quite clear at this point that they do not mean the same thing for everypony, and that many ponies in going about getting them don't even quite understand what it'll mean for them when they do get them.  With young ponies like those mostly featured in this episode, that was clearly the case, so it wasn't that surprising that they could be convinced by a pony like Rumble that cutie marks would just put them into a "special box," forcing them to pursue one thing for the rest of their lives while foregoing all other activities.  That's even a relatable fear for children in general.  Growing up, I think most of us at some point like to think we could basically be anything we want to be, but in the back of our heads (especially as we get older) that creeping notion that at some point we're going to have to be one thing in particular is always there, and I think a fear for kids who dwell on that too much is that they're not going to be able to try other things once that happens.  Thankfully, by the show's end all of the younger ponies, including Rumble, had realized that they can do all sorts of things no matter what their cutie mark ends up being.  Just because they're cutie mark signifies what they have a special talent for doing doesn't mean that's the only thing they'll ever be able to do, or even be good at or enjoy doing.  Likewise, with adults in the real world, just because our careers may be in one particular field doesn't mean we can't do plenty of other pursuits in our spare time, whether they be hobbies, ways of giving back to the community, or other activities.  It's sometimes hard work fitting everything we want to do in (something briefly indicated by Apple Bloom realizing she hadn't made potions with Zecora in some time), but balancing time to fit a lot of different activities into our lives is part of being an adult, and a skill that is more than worth cultivating.  Overall, I was very impressed with the moral revolving around Rumble in this episode, plus just pleased to see a character like him as the episode's focus.

So just how did Rumble come to his realization by the end of the episode that cutie marks keep you from doing anything else?  Well, partly with the help of the CMC, but mostly because of his older brother, Thunderlane, another long time minor supporting/background character (voiced quite excellently by Trevor Devall, who actually voiced him way back in Season 2 and Season 4 as well, with, impressively enough, pretty much the exact same voice).  Earlier this season we got an excellent revelation that Thunderlane, like Rainbow Dash, had actually become a Wonderbolt as well, which in many ways helped normalize the group quite a bit as well as not make Rainbow Dash look SO unusual as a member.  Having two members from Ponyville makes it clear that you don't just have to be a Rainbow Dash-tier flier to get in, as well as emphasizes nicely that Thunderlane ain't too shabby himself when it comes to flying.  Well here, the fact that he was a Wonderbolt was also, as discussed earlier, critical to the plot and Rumble's own insecurities about getting a cutie mark.  First he got Rumble involved in the day camp to begin with, hoping that it might help Rumble explore a variety of activities he might enjoy and broaden his horizons, not to mention have fun with other fillies and colts while he was at it.  But when the CMC finally confronted Thunderlane about Rumble's fears, he realized just how bad some of Rumble's insecurities were and set out to make things right, for both him and the other campers he'd persuaded to ditch the CMC's day camp.  This final scene was excellent, showcasing both a Wonderbolt doing some normal, community service as a role model for younger ponies on his own time (something I've always, desperately wanted to see considering it just seems natural that members of a group like that would give back to their communities in ways like that, not just go around engaging in photo ops or autograph signings), as well as Thunderlane just trying to be a good older brother, reassuring Rumble that he doesn't have to worry about his cutie mark sticking him into one corner only.  This is especially highlighted when he tells his brother how much he discovered he loved cooking once his service with the Wonderbolts forced him to take it up at points, and they then proceed to have some sibling bonding as they help cook a meal together.  While Thunderlane was able to help the other ponies at the camp as a Wonderbolt, he was able to help Rumble as his older brother, and the presentation of both was fantastic.  I'd love to see more of Thunderlane and Rumble in the future after this, and it was a true treat getting to see both of them get such big roles here alone.

Besides those two, the rest of the supporting cast was a delight.  Little Pipsqueak was adorkable as ever in his tiny, cute British-y way, though it would have been nice to see him make some progress on the cutie mark front.  Ah well, I'm sure he'll discover his true calling as a worshiper of all things Princess Luna and/or the Night in general at some point in time soon enough.   Skeedaddle was pretty funny here as well, both in his helping Kettle Corn discover her cutie mark in his leading the others in their haiku writing activity, as well as with some funny lines like "What if I get my cutie mark in being bored?"  BUT, I have to say that out of all the supporting characters in this episode, the one who stole the show for me was, without a doubt, Kettle Corn.

Holy shit, this filly had it all.  First, she develops an obsession with painting circles (and they were always, ALWAYS the exact same circle, slightly unfinished even if you looked at them closely).  That, however, does not turn out to be her cutie mark.  What does turn out to be her cutie mark?  BUCKING HAIKU WRITING, THAT'S WHAT!!!  In fact, once she discovers that's her special talent, she starts saying haikus naturally in her speech (even when she's trying to repress her special talent), and it is as bucking hilarious as it sounds.  And yet, despite all of that, she still loves, you guessed, PAINTING CIRCLES!!!  Even when she disowns her cutie mark and joins Rumble's group, she still. Loves. Painting. CIRCLES!!!!  I don't know why I'm so obsessed with everything this little filly got up to in this episode.  I think it's a combination of the fact that (1) she is pretty bucking adorable, along with (2) just how bizarre and hilarious both her special talent as well as her interest in painting circles was.  In any case, for a first time character, this filly left a wonderful first impression in both how cute and hilarious she was, and frankly I kinda want to see more of her, I won't lie. 

Kettle Corn: she SERIOUSLY needs some circles and haikus in her life ASAP

OK, I have to admit that if this is really what the writers were doing in depicting how Kettle Corn painted her circles, then I have to say... bravo, BUCKING BRAVO, that's a scary awesome and subtle detail to include for a character whose special talent is coming up with haikus!  I mean... wow, talk about mind blown, right?

Just got a few other miscellaneous items to cover before we wrap things up.  The return to Camp Friendship, the same day camp where Applejack and Coloratura became friends as young fillies, was a fun callback to Season 5 (though I wouldn't have minded seeing AJ here if that were at all possible, even more so Coloratura even).  Rumble's song "Blank Flanks Forever," while hardly one of the show's best tunes, was pretty fun and upbeat (even if it was a minor antagonist's song), though I do have one bone to pick with it that's REALLY silly.  At one point in the song some of the fillies and colts in the background are waving their hooves back and forth to emulate finger snapping, like you might encounter in an old, 1950's doo-wop number.  I can see why, in concept, this idea might have sounded bucking hilarious to the storyboard artists who most likely came up with it, but in execution it looked bucking stupid.  I know I shouldn't overthink it, but WHY THE BUCK WOULD THEY DO THAT???  They have no concept of digits, why would they emulate finger snapping if they don't know what the buck finger snapping is???  Am I totally overthinking this?  Yes, yes I am, but I don't care, this was bucking stupid, even if it was meant as a gag.  Other than that, however, I had no issue with the song itself; hardly Season 7's best tune, but pretty fun nonetheless.

Other than that, I've got nothing else to add.  This was just a fun CMC episode with a very good, well-written lesson at its heart, and a great note to send the CMC out on for Season 7.  Until next time, everypony, this is Batbrony signing off.  I'm off!!! *cue dramatic exit*

If we're all being honest with ourselves, we've all probably shipped Rumble with Sweetie Belle or Scootaloo at SOME point in time, so don't even pretend you haven't 

[ImpctR 155]

I see lots of the measures of how good an episode is whether the chars went OOC, the episode was executed well, something went wrong, against other episodes' story connection etc.

 

Well for me, it is not like that. I like or dislike an episode based on what happens in the episode aka plot and ofc there needs to be connection with the rest of other episodes, because you can make an episode that has nothing wrong in it but if absolutely nothing happens and it feels like a quarter of the episode where the resolution has been cut off or ends with nothing interesting, I cant put it high (that explains the fewer pages, I will be briefer too).. While an episode may have flaws but if the plot is very interesting, I can close my eyes for some of the flaws. So since CMC and filly episodes are a bit more childish for my taste and this particular one there was not much I will put it 3/5.

 

So the introduction of a new filly, younger bro Rumble of the wonderbolt Thunderlane. Okay cool, his attitude resembles someone who's grown up in SG's village when she was the villain cause blank flank camp is a lot like the = cutie mark community. Overall not a bad idea but there is really nothing much, just a filly that denies the CMC's camp, creates his own rules, later sees that it is not the best choice he made cause his bro can do other things, agrees to come back to CMC camp, admits it, the end. Could have been interesting to see what his mark would be unless that would be revealed in a future episode. As an episode, was okay but there wasn't much happening, so thats all I can say. P.S the CMCs were in good role, now able to organize whole camp, that's a higher level of doing their job than just inviting fillies in their tree house.

 

 

Edited October 6, 2017 by ImpctR

[Violet Bookish 349]

This episode's message really hit close to home for me. I understand what it feels like to feel like once you get into a career/job, you won't have time to do what you love. Becuase of that, I can really relate to Rumble. I want to to be a writer, but that's not going to pay the bills so I'll obviously have to do a job on the side. I always worry that job will take most of my time and stop me from writing or that I just won't succeed in writing and will have to give up and give all my time to another job. This episode sent a great message to both young and older viewers while also having some great screen time for the CMC and introduced some new and interesting characters. We may not see most of them again but they made the environment feel more lively and really added to the episode. It's also really great to see the CMC continuing to go to further heights with their special talent. First, they just took clients separately and now they've started a camp so they can help more ponies figure out their special talent. 

So, overall, I was really impressed with this episode. It introduced new and interesting characters, had some great development for the CMC, and had a great message. So far season 7 is doing really well, I just hope the writers keep it up because this might become close to being one of the best seasons of MLP in my opinion.

[Sh Pie 65]

This was a good CMC focus episode. Rumble wanted a Cutie Mark in flying so he intentionally failed at all the activities to keep his flank blank. It's an interesting situation where he seems like a contrarian with his anti Cutie Mark propaganda but with good intentions deep down. The logic of Cutie Marks is frequently misunderstood by ponies which is why problems like this keep occurring. However this is the first time the CMC had to deal with somepony who neither pursues nor misinterprets their Cutie Mark but rather doesn't want one at all in fear of it getting in the way.

As explained, a Cutie Mark doesn't limit what ponies can do, it only shows them what they're best at and what their destiny is. It doesn't prevent them from enjoying other activities and it doesn't force them to do one thing for the rest of their lives. For fillies, it's a natural part of growing up and it will only appear when they discover their special talent, they have the freedom to choose to do whatever they enjoy, even if they suck at it since being good isn't everything. Ultimately, Rumble acknowledges being wrong and misinformed about the nature of Cutie Marks and he eventually learns the moral and a unique case closed for the CMC.

[Meeps 297]

The ending of this episode, and the fact Rumble and his older brother make an appearance, saved this episode for me. I've never been too terribly excited for CMC based episodes for whatever reason, whether well done or not, but this one became pleasurable to me the moment it was revealed just why Rumble didn't want his Cutie Mark. I think it's a question that many viewers of this show have at least thought about (although I know there are always those voices that simply advise not to think too hard about a cartoon), and now they have a definite answer. I know I felt strange seeing mundane cutie marks next to ones like Twilight or Celestia's. I guess it felt a little too much like some ponies were destined from greatness right after foalhood, while others were predetermined to live "normal" lives.

I rewatched Hurricane Fluttershy just the other day, and realize that while I'd forgotten about him, I enjoyed Thunderlane's character even then! I hope we get to see more of him!

Also, I'm beginning to wonder just how many activities the Wonderbolts encompass. It can't be just flying around. They seem to have tried a few rescues before, and they're always present at big events! I guess they kind of remind me of... firemen. Haha.

[PacificGreen 1,163]

I never actually took the time to say this, but this is one of my favorite episodes of the season. Sure, it wasn't too outstanding, but I think there's just a sort of genuine-ness about episodes like these. When the show isn't afraid to ask questions about its own world or even the motivations of some of its main characters. I feel like the show did a great job of that with Rumble expressing his fear of being "put in a box"- like when he questioned Apple Bloom about the last time she made potions, and how the various plot points, such as the other campers' cutie mark insecurities and Rumble's own dream, tied into the main conflict. The episode was also just sorta surprisingly both funny and heartwarming, with the CMC eventually getting Thunderlane to help resolve the issue.

While I definitely like the more adventure-y episodes, this felt like a real down-to-earth slice-of-life episode done right. 

[TBD 17,228]

I thought the meaning itself is a little off. First rumble doesn't want to earn a cutie mark because he's afraid he will get the one that doesn't meet his expectation. Then it turn out that he doesn't want to be stuck doing the same thing if he gets cutie mark.  so...ehhh it's a little poor written if you asked me.  And Thunderlane, just like any other colts side characters is another wash-out character..again.

[FizzyGreen 908]

Like many CMC episodes, i enjoyed it good. I don't like Thunderlanes deep voice so much but other than i loved the episodes. That blue colt was pretty rad.

The whole idea of a camp was great and the conflict that generally comes with cutie marks was brought up and handled. And how it was handled, by making cutie marks not like a dictator but an indicator, was, in my opinion, pretty good.

I enjoyed watching it alot. And to be honest, i don't see any issues with it, so... ...okay maybe that they didn't notice at first that he had no motivation but oh well.
This episode actually gets a 5/5 instead of the 4/5 i initially wanted to give it for whatever reason.

[Nye 1,652]

Pretty bland. There wasn’t a lot of character development in this other than new names. Still though, the premise of a camp for blank flanks seems like the charitable thing the Crusaders would do. Overall, an underwhelming episode.

The song reminded me of Lion King.

[Allen 1,371]

Rumble, you don't want your cutie mark but you can't be a blank flank forever without your accomplishment! They can't be blank flanks forever, they want to have their cutie marks for their accomplishments as they expect likely in the future. We have one filly in this episode who got her cutie mark for the very first time was a success for her with her own accomplishment! 

[Kevin Tang 2,422]

Rumble's song "Blank Flanks Forever" is very catchy and great. The second song that really caught my attention.

Also, Sweetie Belle looked funny when she was the one who said to remain calm, but she was the only one who yelled loudly. XD The voice was funny.

"Cutie mark makes you special!!!" 

I will always remember that line. XD

[bigbertha 410]

I don't like this episode. The biggest problem is that Rumble is factually wrong. In just the last episode, we saw Twilight in a baking competition with Spike. Sweetie Belle spent time with Rarity in "Forever Filly" and Fluttershy has tea parties with Discord all the time. Instead of a two sided issue, we're just waiting for Rumble to be proven wrong. There is no intrigue or chance for both sides to learn something. It's just a very one-sided issue.

Additionally, Rumble comes off as a annoying brat. Him not trying at any of activities and being generally obnoxious is why a lot of people don't like kids. Rumble has his motivations, but that doesn't make his actions less annoying to watch.

Also, when did "blank flanks" stop being an insult. It's used constantly through the episode and it bugs me.

Score: 3/10

[MLPFanatic34 3,234]

I enjoyed this episode, it was a very well done CMC episode, the song was well done, my only issue really with the episode was Rumble. He came off as an annoying twit throughout the whole episode and to be honest I preferred when he wasn't on screen. I did like seeing the CMC go to such great lengths though to make sure every filly had a great time at their camp. 9/10.

[Tropical Melody 5,097]

Yups, only seen this for the first time couple of days ago (see elsewhere about me having to do catch-up), TBH I thought it was going to be a bit tedious going by the episode description blurb, but no, it held my attention throughout and I really enjoyed it actually.

 

 

 

 

[qwerE 95]

I liked this episode. At first, I was a bit worried the whole episode might just be a pain to watch because of Rumble's irritating behaviour. I think the episode turned interesting starting from Rumble's song. The song was surprisingly good and quite funny. The moral was nice and I also liked Rumble and Thunderlane cooking together in the end. 

[Moony the Cat 3,697]

It was an interesting concept and a good solution/lesson to learn and the Episode was fun to watch. I wouldnt call it one of my favorites, but it was still good.

[Rushing cash 824]

I am disappointed in the fact that they didnt bring rumble since this episode because I loved his character. while what he did is similar to what starlight did(during the episode I hoped to see them interacting) however their motive was completely different, rumble was afraid of getting a cutie mark that will keep him from something he want, while starlight wanted to show that life without them would be better because it wont make a drift between friends and make everyone equal meanwhile she keeps hers so she can control the situation. The song was nice even though the ending was a bit boring but the moral was important and useful, especially for kids. 9\10

[ZiggWheelsManning 7,348]

At the end of the cold open, where Scootaloo yells “Camp Friendship!” she apologizes and blushes in embarrassment.  Sweetie Belle and Apple Bloom look at each other.  The cold open closes with the CMCs laughing together.  Though it should be noted that Sweetie Belle has a sinister look while Apple Bloom has a happy look.  Did the two tear a page out from Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon of how those two in the old days back in Seasons 1 through 5 used to mess with the CMCs?  Were the two exhausted from working with all those fillies and not in the mood to yell along with Scootaloo?  Was Apple Bloom still brainstorming ideas for their camp location only for Scootaloo to interrupt and being rude before Apple Bloom could finish talking?  Is it because Scootaloo doesn’t know about Applejack as much as Apple Bloom and Sweetie Belle do?  So does that mean Apple Bloom and Sweetie Belle had a lot of incredible conversations with Applejack about her going to multiple camps at a young age when Scootaloo wasn’t around in those conversations? 

[Pentium100 2,056]

On 2020-02-14 at 8:15 AM, ZiggWheelsManning said:

Were the two exhausted from working with all those fillies and not in the mood to yell along with Scootaloo?

Or they just did not think of the name at the same time. They don't have a hive mind.

[Astralshy 23,543]

Considering that cutie marks are so important for ponys and especially for the CMC, a episode liked this was to be expected. Rumble's attempt of subversion to protect his way is interesting to see and is also everything but fictional. This becomes of course quite hilarious not to say ridiculous when they realized everything they could do (even doing nothing) could maybe lead to a cuti mark. The moment where everypony stops and Kettle Corn is (the only one who got a cutie mark already) just continuing drawing after a moment, was really great.

The song was great. The plot was good and adorable. Overall a good episode, maybe a bit to transparent, but still good.