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If these characters show up in the show they might be referred to as best friends instead of a couple considering that Hasbro only lets Lyra and Bon Bon be best friends. I think some countries would ban this show if not.

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56 minutes ago, MAIKUN said:

Ohhhh that’s why her parents are dead...that makes her an orphan after all....

They’re not dead. They’re away most of the time.

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18 hours ago, MAIKUN said:

Ohhhh that’s why her parents are dead...that makes her an orphan after all....

Let us try this more directly, shall we. You are incorrect. Scootaloo's parents are not deceased, and I suspect that we will see the parents or the Aunts in Season 8 to solidify the statements of the show staff (former and current). Especially since Dubuc is now guiding the show. 

Also, I would like to point out that the phrasing of the statement is also confusing. The statement in the thread's title states that Scootaloos Aunt's are lesbians. Your response seems to attribute the parent's cause of death to Lofty and Holiday's orientation. Well, that is how it comes across without additional context. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, and assuming you didn't intend to conjure images of Lofty 'coming-out' causing Scootaloo's parents to suffer some sudden shock based death, such as a heart attack. 

Perhaps rephrasing that statement would be appropriate? 

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2 hours ago, Hierok said:

I would love if they brought this into the show. It sets an example that being gay is totally normal. :grin:

It's not, though. That isn't to say it's a BAD thing, it's not, but it's not really normal when you consider how few gay people there are compared to straight people, or even bisexual people. It's not normal, but it's not the bad type of abnormal.

 

 

I don't really want to debate politics in this thread in all honesty. Send me a PM if you want to talk about this, I guess, but I figure this I'd throw my two cents in there.

 

Apologies if this offends anybody, its not my intention.

 

 

EDIT: My opinion on this is that I'm hlad they had to confirm it. It may just be because the fan base is a bit loony when it comes to certain things, but I like to think that it'll be extremely subtle.

 

which is how most gay couples are. There are the "YAAASSS IM SO GAYYY" type people, but the majority are so normal you wouldn't realize it unless they told you.

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1 minute ago, Moon Knight said:

It's not, though. That isn't to say it's a BAD thing, it's not, but it's not really normal when you consider how few gay people there are compared to straight people, or even bisexual people. It's not normal, but it's not the bad type of abnormal.

That is not exactly what I ment. Many kids grow up thinking gay is a bad thing. Throwing this into the show makes it more normal for the kids and grow to accept it. :orly:

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1 minute ago, Hierok said:

That is not exactly what I ment. Many kids grow up thinking gay is a bad thing. Throwing this into the show makes it more normal for the kids and grow to accept it. :orly:

True, but in all honesty, I doubt it'll be heavy handed. Most kids don't necessarily care, but maybe it'll just be a minor influence. I dunno.

 

On that topic, that's because a lot of households are Christian. Speaking as someone who grew up in a Christian household, a lot of Christians tell their kids that it isn't right to he gay, because the Bible says so. But that's a whole 'nother can of worms.

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1 hour ago, Moon Knight said:

On that topic, that's because a lot of households are Christian. Speaking as someone who grew up in a Christian household, a lot of Christians tell their kids that it isn't right to he gay, because the Bible says so. But that's a whole 'nother can of worms.

And then when those kids in those households grow up they can choose for themselves how conservative they want to be with the Bible and how much they truly believe God really cares about them supporting an LGBT+ relationship in media. I only say this as I am a fully devout Roman Catholic straight male but I don't let what I'm supposed to believe get in the way of my true feelings for others and my own happiness. I say decide for yourself what to believe and what makes you happ-:blink:hey where did all these worms come from......ah shoot I knocked over the can!

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1 hour ago, Moon Knight said:

It's not, though. That isn't to say it's a BAD thing, it's not, but it's not really normal when you consider how few gay people there are compared to straight people, or even bisexual people. It's not normal, but it's not the bad type of abnormal.

Well, there is the possibility that it is far more normal than many would like to admit. For decades there is building evidence that redefines what the standard really is, and Dr. Rieger's recent study that found a super majority of tested women, including those that identified as straight, did have favorable responses to same sex stimuli. The study is undergoing refinement for replication testing with a larger sample size. 

Until such time that it is shown that there is another valid explanation, arguing over nomenclature and terminology may be rather ... premature. I'd say a reference to a non-hetero relationship being normal is academically allowable.

That, of course, ignores the fact that the communicator -> respondent colloquial use is what you both are talking about. Using various definitions, both calling it normal as well as deviating from normal, would be accurate as there are enough groups that would find the contextual meaning in the use of 'normal' appropriate to their own definition. 

Bananas and chom choms after all. 

11 minutes ago, KH7672 said:

And then when those kids in those households grow up they can choose for themselves how conservative they want to be with the Bible and how much they truly believe God really cares about them supporting an LGBT+ relationship in media. I only say this as I am a fully devout Roman Catholic straight male but I don't let what I'm supposed to believe get in the way of my true feelings for others and my own happiness. I say decide for yourself what to believe and what makes you happ-:blink:hey where did all these worms come from......ah shoot I knocked over the can!

It shouldn't be a can of worms. Speaking as a Catholic who has a gay daughter and a trans son, and who married a bisexual woman, I find that this is one taboo that should not exist. In context of a show presentation of two same sex ponies, I feel it could be handled with an age appropriate amount of nuance that even Christian households would not mind. I refuse to accept that you and I are outliers. 

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1 hour ago, Babyyoshi309 said:

It is not canon until it appears in the show. WHY IS EVERY FREAKING OUT ABOUT IT?!!!!!

I don't see many here up in arms over this issue at all. This is some casual discussion going on with varying viewpoints. However, playing Devil's Advocate let's apply two or three interesting facts to this situation ... 

The writers of the book series are the ex VP of Hasbro (not DHX) and the current Executive Producer of Friendship is Magic. This is perhaps the most salient fact. 

The show may be sunsetting in the near future, readying for a relaunch of the brand around 2021. Unfortunately, third party material purchasing is too difficult to track when it is being purchased by overseas partners, so this is a less obvious clue. 

Toys R Us is in financial disarray. That leaves only a handful of retail buyers with leveraging power, one of which is Target. 

Target has been known to place an emphasis on positioning itself as a kinder LGBT friendly store, placing itself at odds with it's competition. While this is a calculated political move to provide it cover as it's chief rival gets intense negative press, it's a salient piece of the equation. 

Brian Cornell (Target CEO) and Brian Goldner (Hasbro CEO) are rather close. Both represent a new guard philosophy of mass market merchandising. I have no doubt that they have had brand specific discussions on ways to attract attention. 

The atmosphere now exists for Hasbro to take risks that it otherwise would not. I fully expect the two Aunts to appear on the show. How they are marketed and presented depends on how carefully Hasbro plays it. 

For example, it may well be something they break in a way that will be buried in a news cycle, known as taking out the trash. Those who are invested will take notice, many parents will not. Timing will be crucial here. 

Anyway, its almost a guarantee the Aunts will show up in an episode even if it's just a quick cameo. Anything else, would be unsurprising as it could go either way. 

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3 minutes ago, MAIKUN said:

Oh please, she’s still an orphan you know....

And Rainbow Dash is actually an elephant. Making things up and calling them fact is fun! :derp:

It is one thing to take a stance that you only accept canon as far as what you see within the confines of the show and to disregard anything else, but it is quite another to just string random thoughts and opinions together and parade them as show canon.

And I don't think anything about this. Should I? I mean I live in the modern world where by now everyone should realize this is a thing and have done built a bridge and crossed it. Should they put them in the show? Sure why not? As long as they treat them like any other character and don't try to parade them around like some special agenda I don't see the issue.

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1 hour ago, GrimGrimoire said:

And Rainbow Dash is actually an elephant.

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She is bearing the elephant of loyalty. I believe the judges will allow it. However, here it's Fluttershy that's an elephant. 

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And here Dash is an anteater. 

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Wait.   

> Looks at first image

I just realized that is a space elephant. I have nothing else to say. Fan art just broke me. 

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File this one next to Cadance's adoptive village under "stuff from the chapter books I really wanna see in the show." This one in particular brings with it the potential of Scootaloo's relationship with her parents, adding an extra complication while also giving us a better idea of what that relationship might look like. Plus, this just about completes my "Mane Six + CMC family sheet." Gimme Cadance's parents and a little more info about Spike's early childhood and I can fill out the periphery. 

Also: Huzzah, we made it! LGBT representation in My Little Pony at last! Been a long time coming. 

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13 hours ago, Jeric said:

Well, there is the possibility that it is far more normal than many would like to admit. For decades there is building evidence that redefines what the standard really is, and Dr. Rieger's recent study that found a super majority of tested women, including those that identified as straight, did have favorable responses to same sex stimuli. The study is undergoing refinement for replication testing with a larger sample size. 

There was also a study a few years back that found that half of women on college campuses were sexually assaulted. Problem is, they had a very open definition of what constitutes sexual assault, like if they had been drinking. Many of the women asked made it clear that they were never assaulted even though the study said they were. 

Sociological science is under a lot of fire for studies like this, and from what I’ve seen, Dr Rieger’s study is definitely suspect. First off is the very obvious flaw that sexual arousal equals sexual orientation. People become sexually aroused all the time, it doesn’t define who they are. For example, if people look at MLP porn, they aren’t zoophiles. From the different articles I read, the 80% number they used to make their claim wasn’t based on the admission of the test subject, but on whether or not the pupils dilated when being shown sexual content. There are a lot of reasons why our pupils dilate, not just from sexual arousal. Combine that with his rather outrageous grandstanding claim that “women are either gay or bisexual, but never straight,” even though at most it’s 80%, and my first instinct is to throw this study in the trash.

The studies I read years ago by a Pro-gay think tank was that around 4% of men were gay, and 2% of women. They also found a surprising 15% of women were bisexual, so yes women are more likely to have bisexual leanings than men, but the study you mentioned is hardly what I would consider conclusive, or even reliable or trustworthy.

13 hours ago, Jeric said:

It shouldn't be a can of worms. Speaking as a Catholic who has a gay daughter and a trans son, and who married a bisexual woman, I find that this is one taboo that should not exist. In context of a show presentation of two same sex ponies, I feel it could be handled with an age appropriate amount of nuance that even Christian households would not mind. I refuse to accept that you and I are outliers. 

I am not Christian, though my parents did raise me as one, but I’m also not sure the age range of the show is appropriate to overtly show a same-sex couple. Not because same-sex couples are inappropriate or too politically charged, but because it isn’t Hasbro’s job to determine when other people’s children are ready to have a conversation about it. I don’t have children, so, you know, perspectives, but I would want to wait to expose and confront my kids on issues like this until I think they are old enough to think for themselves. Sure, I could tell my 6-7 year old about same-sex couples, but not only do I not think they would really understand exactly what it means, I think they’d be too reliant on my own thoughts of the matter instead of thinking for themselves. It’s what my parents did with me.

But like I said before, the scene from the book was very subtle, and I saw their relationship as being like family instead of being romantic. I think they could work in a subtle reference, but any more and I think they would be intruding on a parents choice on how to raise their kids.

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Of course there are gay characters in the series. So what?  We don't complain about Lyra and Bon Bon being very close to each other. Gay or not, we're the same living species and that's that.

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On 13/10/2017 at 5:59 PM, Kiryu-Chan said:

Honestly I'm just glad Scoots has a confirmed family that loves and supports her, instead of being doomed to being a disabled, homeless orphan for all eternity 

Yeah, this as well! It's good that she actually has a family. :)

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16 hours ago, Jeric said:

I don't see many here up in arms over this issue at all. This is some casual discussion going on with varying viewpoints. However, playing Devil's Advocate let's apply two or three interesting facts to this situation ... 

The writers of the book series are the ex VP of Hasbro (not DHX) and the current Executive Producer of Friendship is Magic. This is perhaps the most salient fact. 

The show may be sunsetting in the near future, readying for a relaunch of the brand around 2021.

Sounds like speculation.

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19 minutes ago, heavens-champion said:

Sounds like speculation.

Perhaps it does. Though my use of modals should have intrigued anyone paying attention. Most logical deductions are made by looking at known elements and attempting to make sense of them, absent some material data. The unfortunate in this world tend to wait for confirmation, while the fortunate look for signs, evidence, and patterns  .. and deduce. In situations where there is nothing risked, it's a fun game that can assist in sharpening ones inductive and deductive skill set. It's useful for when the stakes are decidedly higher. As I said, the plastics purchasing would be an important detail that I would love to have, but lack of material purchasing data is a limitation I fully disclosed. 

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There are two approaches to something like same gender couples.

One, it's just there and no affect on the story. Subtle approach, good for them.

Two, make an entire plot about it being a big deal they're together. Which can tend to be annoying where characters can get preachy and political.

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5 hours ago, ShootingStar159 said:

Sociological science is under a lot of fire for studies like this,

It's currently under fire for the replication crisis, publication crisis, and the general view that Social Psychology is not an accurate science. The first two are correctable. My inclusion of the study was not to say that its results should be taken as definitive, but to underscore our lack of understanding and that it is ... up in the air. In other words, nothing is definitive yet. How arousal is connected to orientation is not been established definitively. 

 

5 hours ago, ShootingStar159 said:

I don’t have children, so, you know, perspectives, but I would want to wait to expose and confront my kids on issues like this until I think they are old enough to think for themselves.

I have children. Well, teenagers. My only response to the argument you pose is to invoke this cultural beauty. 

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I've seen looks from people with children when my daughter would hold hands with her girlfriend. I like to think that through the support of my teen, and her actions, has helped people face this this conversation. As parent, I have long been aware that one should never count on a fixed time table on when certain conversations need to occur. To suggest otherwise ignores a reality that most people do not understand -- the world does not revolve around them. Nor can they control their environment or social elements that their child will experience. 

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