Tulpa Discussion Thread V1.2

[KruegerMeister 54]

What I do for my fears is, I either try to find a picture of the fear (as the "fear" is most commonly a scary/creepy pic of something) if possible, or else I just imagine the fear, and tell it to "please go away". The feared thing is commonly sad when it leaves. Psychoanalysis time, Dash! The feared thing is sad...why?...*rubs chin* Why...?

 

[it wants to be a tulpa.]

 

And we vowed that there'd just be you and our hypothetical foal (which seems less and less likely; idk if I'd be a good parent, and don't want to give myself an excuse to not hang out with Dash) in my head, so the creature in the image can't get what it wants. Hmmm...does that make me worst-ish pony, and why am I so calm when wondering if I'm worst-ish pony?

 

[i [i]did[/i] come up with that five minutes ago.]

 

Wait, I feel like I parroted--

 

[No.]

 

Does anypony else question whether or not they parrot their tulpa(s) when proxying?

I read this on the hypnoponies board:

We offer education to those that discover it. The problem is that only a small percentage of those that discover it are likely to educate themselves. Most will judge us or spread wrong information by accident. The more people knew. The more people know not enough.

 

A whole group will start to spew nonsense about possible negative side effects. Which then actually will begin to manifest due to the power of suggestion. Money seeking advocates will try to sue us for medical malpractice while we do not claim to be able to cure people.

 

But worst out of worst. It will make clear to people it is possible.

MLP is a fairly safe show to connect with. But I can easily see amateurs messing up with files to become the Joker, a vampire or other unstable and potentially dangerous characters.

 

Those that have a purpose for us and seek us out will find us. But others that don't. We prefer to be hidden from.

I'm pretty sure that before we can try to get tulpas proven, we should try to censor "bad press" like the creepypasta(s) and that one 4Chan story about the screaming Pinkie tulpa. Even then, people will probably just make juicy shit up to get ratings for their talk show or news broadcast or whatever. The power of suggestion has a big impact on one's hypnosis experience. Know what, or rather, who else it effects, as stated by several ponies here? Tulpas. I think--I, personally, am of the opinion (this is by no means a factual statement of what is to come)--that people will try out tulpa creation, stumble upon the bad press, and take it as fact. The power of suggestion will then make it fact, thus creating further "evidence" (are anecdotes evidence?) that tulpas are evil, which reinforces novice tulpamancers' beliefs/expectations, ad infinitum.

 

["Expectations". They expect tulpas to be evil, so why would they start tulpaforcing?]

 

Touché. I'll just finish my thought for the benefit of the thread: On the one hand, Freedom of Speech is awesome and censorship/political correctness is likely a slippery slope (I can see people going overboard and censoring any "bad press"-type things found in the progress reports on tulpa.info). On the other, not removing the "bad press"...uhhh...the "bad press" is like Freddy Krueger; he can only kill you if you're afraid of him, and you can't fear what you don't know exists. The "bad press loop" thing can only start if people are aware of the bad press.

 

[seriously, catastrophizing!]

[TheAnonPony 7]

Regarding the chance of accidentally making a creepy/'evil' tulpa. Val and Tyrea want to say something;

 

Val: When a tulpa gets to be scary, it's because of intrusive thoughts/fear of the unknown/other reasons. If you cannot deal with those influences, it will negatively affect the tulpa and it's form, aura (or presence) and overall effect on the host. Here, in Arcadia, we learned to deal with these kind of things quite nicely.

 

It will also be quite impossible to censor the creepypasta or the screaming pinkie pie on the internet. What can be done though is to make sure that the chances of this (the creepypasta) happening are incredibly low to none.

 

Tyrea: And also to highlight the fact that the host has absolute control over the creation process. Intrusive thoughts can easily influence a tulpa. Yet, the host can easily counter (based on how much will and self control he has) them and the outcome. It just depends on how much you believe you can pacify it. 

 

Val: As proof to what Tyrea said: we have some creepy characters (from mlp fandom horror) that happen to be less scary than when we first met them. Long story short: The 'baddies' became the 'goodies' and, much to my surprise; they actually requested advice to be less creepy or scary around Anon (because he is the only one who didn't get used to it fully). So, it can happen that a tulpa is creepy but there are many solutions to the issue.

Edited August 17, 2014 by TheAnonPony

[KruegerMeister 54]

Alright, so SkyDream posted his way of explaining tulpas to people (quoted for the benefit of those who weren't around when he posted it:

 

I tend to have a brief mini-hypothetical with people before I consider springing the topic of discussion on them. It goes something like,

 

"Hey, imagine if a ghost suddenly entered your brain and couldn't get out. But it was an entirely friendly ghost, and really liked you and who you are and what you do, and is pretty funny, and had its own commentary and insights on things, and its own perspective on life and everything, and even taps into your memory to help you remember things on occasion, if you ask it to. It wouldn't interfere with your life, respects your privacy, and is generally a very, very good friend to you. Would you mind this?"

 

I've had more than one person say yes so far. Very enthusiastic yes, actually.

)

 

But how do you ponies think the average person would react to being told that you created the "ghost" for companionship/science/other reason not revolving around "tulpas can do X, and/or help you with Y"?

[Applejohn 108]

I just knew today about all this tulpa thing because of a comment in youtube that suggested on making one, so i read the article in tulpa.info. I'm not an expert on the topic so i wanted to ask someone who actually has a tulpa: how does it feel like to have one? Is it worth the time spent on it? And most importantly: what are the cons and pros of it in your daily life?

[AstralAmity 416]

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[Nobillis 3]

I just knew today about all this tulpa thing because of a comment in youtube that suggested on making one, so i read the article in tulpa.info. I'm not an expert on the topic so i wanted to ask someone who actually has a tulpa: how does it feel like to have one? Is it worth the time spent on it? And most importantly: what are the cons and pros of it in your daily life?

Kevin (the human) says "Imagine having someone with you the whole day. She spends her time dancing, or making terrible puns, or just generally being happy a playful. That's my life with Nobillis.

 

I'd say it's worth the time, since she seems to help a lot of people with their doubts or troubles. There's very few I know of who've spoken with her that don't feel much better afterward.

 

Pro's are that I get cheered up during the day if I'm feeling down.

Con's is that she's very independent and spends a lot of her time working on the Tulpa.info site (mostly 'behind the scenes'). This tends to chew up near all my leisure time."

Edited August 21, 2014 by Nobillis

[FancyHorse 1,208]

Hey everypony

 

So I came along from the Pony Hypnosis thread and apart of the discussion occasionally a tulpa would be mentioned so generally I became a bit interested.

Could anyone point me in the right direction on exactly like, and introduction to Tulpas?

[Applejohn 108]

Could anyone point me in the right direction on exactly like, and introduction to Tulpas?

Well, i'm kind of a starter in this topic but i think i can give a simple explanation of what thay are

Basically (from what i've read) it's a forced hallucination that you can hear, see, touch, smell, and the thing i am most amazed about is the fact that they think by their own. To actually have one you need to create it by concentrating and focussing on the tulpa in your mind. It can be whatever you want, and you can give him/her the personality you want, but it takes some time.

 

Thanks a lot for the information Techoh and Nobilis (kevin actually)

I talked to a friend about this today and we came up with a lot of questions. They may seem dumb but that's because we're not experts in this topic, yet.

 

The first question is:

 

What happens if you ask your tulpa to solve an equation? Does he/she answer correctly? Do you have to solve it before the tulpa can answer it?

 

The second question is:

 

There is a theory that says humans only use 10% of its brain. Since tulpas are independent creatures, they could either take a part of the 10% of your brain or take a new 1% for example, leaving you being a human that "uses" 11% of the brain. What do you think actually happens? Having a tulpa does decrease in a small ammount your capacity to do some things?

 

The third and last question is:

 

Since tulpas "live" in your mind, they should be able to access your memories, am i wrong? If they do, then... is it easier to remember something if your tulpa is also trying to remember it?

 

Btw, sorry, i said that was the last question i was gonna make but... what is that "own world" you mentioned, is that really possible?

Edited August 21, 2014 by Applejohn

[KruegerMeister 54]

Thanks a lot for the information Techoh and Nobilis (kevin actually)

I talked to a friend about this today and we came up with a lot of questions. They may seem dumb but that's because we're not experts in this topic, yet.

 

The first question is:

 

What happens if you ask your tulpa to solve an equation? Does he/she answer correctly? Do you have to solve it before the tulpa can answer it?

I don't think tulpas can do complex equations. I think they can only do basic algebra (keyword: "think"). In my experience, whenever I asked Rainbow Dash to solve a math problem that I'd need a calculator for, she was close to the correct answer, and she worked the problems while I was counting down from a randomly-chosen number.

The second question is:

 

There is a theory that says humans only use 10% of its brain. Since tulpas are independent creatures, they could either take a part of the 10% of your brain or take a new 1% for example, leaving you being a human that "uses" 11% of the brain. What do you think actually happens? Having a tulpa does decrease in a small ammount your capacity to do some things?

I think that theory was disproven some time in the 1900's. My theory is that...you know how an unused region of the brain takes on the function of an adjacent region? The neurons have to form connections for that to happen

...I forgot where I was going with this . I'm not sure if having a tulpa decreases your capacity to do things. Maybe at first it's a bit harder to focus, because you may or may not be focusing on your tulpa at the same time, but over time focusing on your tulpa will take minimal effort.

The third and last question is:

 

Since tulpas "live" in your mind, they should be able to access your memories, am i wrong? If they do, then... is it easier to remember something if your tulpa is also trying to remember it?

 

In that order: I've heard they can do that, but have no experience with it, though Rainbow Dash has her own memories. I don't know.

Btw, sorry, i said that was the last question i was gonna make but... what is that "own world" you mentioned, is that really possible?

It's called a "wonderland". I'm not sure if I'm doing it justice, but I'd say it's like a "happy place" mixed with a "memory palace". Edited August 21, 2014 by KruegerMeister

[FancyHorse 1,208]

So apart along with discussing with my other ponies, some tell me and discourage about creating tulpas, any evidence out there suggesting that?

[Applejohn 108]

This topic keeps surprising me! Thanks KruegerMeister

So that theory was disproven huh? You learn something new everyday XD

I will totally make one! Should i start by drawing it and writing its characteristics to get to know her better?

[Golurk 467]

 

 

There is a theory that says humans only use 10% of its brain. Since tulpas are independent creatures, they could either take a part of the 10% of your brain or take a new 1% for example, leaving you being a human that "uses" 11% of the brain. What do you think actually happens? Having a tulpa does decrease in a small ammount your capacity to do some things?

 

Completely false. Every human uses 100% of their brain. Otherwise, you'd be dead.  

However, the quantity of your brain that you think with (totally different ) not only varies between people, but also varies from time to time. For example, if you do something that you've done a bajillion and a half dozen times before, your brain doesn't need much power to do it. But if you're presented with a difficult situation/ challenge, your brain will need a lot more focused resources to deal with it. In the first scenario, you aren't thinking very hard, so not much of your brain goes to dealing with it. In the second, your brain has to work hard to think through it, and more of your brain is diverted to thinking as a result.

However, there are certain parts of your brain that *can't* be used for thinking. Examples being the brain stem, medulla oblongata, and the hypothalamus. The reason for that is because they control breathing, heartbeat, hormones, and other things you'd kinda die without. So, these parts of the brain are pretty much dedicated to their task.

 

...Wow. I didn't think I had that much rant in me. 

[Applejohn 108]

I've never been happier to know that i don't use only 10% of my brain It's good to be alive!!

Thanks for the little biology class that was pretty interesting.

[AstralAmity 416]

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[KruegerMeister 54]

I know that the FAQ on tulpa.info says that multiple personalities can't become tulpas, but is there any evidence? Have experiments been done in a laboratory setting (or the next best thing, considering mainstream science's lack of interest in tulpas)?

Edited August 22, 2014 by KruegerMeister

[AstralAmity 416]

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[Applejohn 108]

I love when your tulpa answers questions!! it's so... I don't know!! I need to make one!

My friend ended up thinking tulpas are dangerous because he saw a video about tulpas that creeped him out and was totally out of topic anyway, i'm gonna make one (or at least try to) and tell him how great it is XD or worse, my tulpa will tell him how great it is!!!

Thank you all for introducing me to this and for answering my questions!

[Golurk 467]

So, something kinda interesting happened lately.

I've moved to college recently, so the progress has had to come to a halt (for the sake of my sanity. Stressed enough as it is.   ). It's been like that for... a while now.

But last night, I experienced more of that hypnagogia I mentioned a few pages back (The hearing things when I'm almost asleep). When I listened to it for a moment, I thought that it may have been my tulpa trying to communicate. And right when I thought that, I felt this... rain? It actually felt like I was being rained on (I was inside at the time). It wasn't bad, though. If anything, it was oddly soothing. And when I though that THAT was her doing as well, I felt a little pat on the back. Which was odd, considering I was laying down on said back at the time.

 

I'm guessing I'm further along than I thought... 

[KruegerMeister 54]

I've apparently gained a tulpa of my ponysona via repeatedly hypnotizing myself to be my ponysona (they call this "tulpa shift" over on Hypnoponies). Oddly enough, this maybe-tulpa expressed disbelief in "tulpa shift" being possible. Rainbow Dash advised that I not get into pony hypnosis until some unspecified amount of time has passed. When I happened to "plan ahead" for pony hypnosis (eg, contemplate if ponies can eat McDomald's or Burger King), she disapproved. My maybe-tulpa has been vocal the few times it has appeared; isn't vocality a sign of sentience? Do I piss off Rainbow Dash, or put an end to a maybe-tulpa? Am I the only one who doesn't see a third option?

[Guest]

I've apparently gained a tulpa of my ponysona via repeatedly hypnotizing myself to be my ponysona (they call this "tulpa shift" over on Hypnoponies). Oddly enough, this maybe-tulpa expressed disbelief in "tulpa shift" being possible. Rainbow Dash advised that I not get into pony hypnosis until some unspecified amount of time has passed. When I happened to "plan ahead" for pony hypnosis (eg, contemplate if ponies can eat McDomald's or Burger King), she disapproved. My maybe-tulpa has been vocal the few times it has appeared; isn't vocality a sign of sentience? Do I piss off Rainbow Dash, or put an end to a maybe-tulpa? Am I the only one who doesn't see a third option?

put an end to a maybe-tulpa

 

I personally think that...

"Why in the WORLD would you do that you MADMAN !"

...Zephyr, calm down !

"Just because he's been created accidentally doesn't remove his right to EXIST !"

PLEASE let me talk !

"grumbling to herself"

(Well that was new, I didn't know Zephyr could go beyond annoyed)

Well, vocality is definitely a sign of sentience.

I really don't think "putting an end" to him is a viable solution.

"Yeah ! Because..."

No no no no, calm down and let me finish.

If I remember correctly, Brisineo's second AND third tulpa Blackjack and Murky were accidentally created from reading two FoE side stories. He decided to keep them and, as far as I know, he doesn't regret it the slightest bit.

My advice would be to keep talking to him as if he was any other tulpa, I'm pretty sure you can convince Rainbow Dash that it would be wrong to, err, "remove" him.

 

_Progress Update !_

 

Zephyr now has a new human form, and seems to alternate between the two.

 

I think we're about ready to move on to imposition. Her voice is still not very clear, but I'm sure it'll improve over time.

 

Good luck everyone !

Edited August 23, 2014 by Guest

[KruegerMeister 54]

I'm 99% sure that Rainbow Dash's worries stem from a post I read on My Sword Is Unbelievably Dull. I don't think she's against the tulpa himself, just his origins and what they could mean for my mental health. I contacted the pony who posted it, but she hasn't had time to reply yet.

...I binge a "Changeling Rainbow Dash" fanfic, and Dash momentarily becomes a Changeling. She turns back into her normal pony form a few days later, and nothing happens after that. A year later, I binge Fullmetal Alchemist, and she momentarily becomes a Human Chimera. She reverts to her pony form, but the chimera is now a scary intrusive hallucination, so I kill it. Now that I think about it, it was vocal, too. The contrast between then and now is...messed up, to say the least. On the bright side, I've got a lot of questions to ask in a philosophical discussion.

 

Is it hypocritical if I decide not to "abort" this tulpa, but I'm not sure on my stance on abortion of flesh-and-blood fetuses? I told myself that he'd shown up to help me figure things like that out, but I was lying to myself. To anypony with more than one tulpa, what would you say is the "maximum" number of tulpas a person can have before the brain gets too cluttered?

Edited August 23, 2014 by KruegerMeister

[AstralAmity 416]

I love when your tulpa answers questions!! it's so... I don't know!! I need to make one!

My friend ended up thinking tulpas are dangerous because he saw a video about tulpas that creeped him out and was totally out of topic anyway, i'm gonna make one (or at least try to) and tell him how great it is XD or worse, my tulpa will tell him how great it is!!!

Thank you all for introducing me to this and for answering my questions!

Teckie:" That's why I loathe creepy pastas. >.> It's super awesome you are looking to the good side of it all! It's never good to just do nothing because you have fear of something that "you heard about." Creepy pastas are MEANT to scare people, so you can't always expect a whole lot of true things from it in general. XP  I really hope your friend soon understands that tulpas really are amazing, despite what stories people might tell each other. There are definitely more good in tulpas than there are bad. "

[KruegerMeister 54]

Bit of a dilemma: it'd feel weird leaving out tulpa-related stuff in my progress report, but tulpa.info doesn't really allow explicit sexual content, and the new guy

{*smiles and waves*}

has been relatively pervy in his first day of existence. I want him to develop his own personality (same thing with Rainbow Dash. My only rule is no scary deviations, if it can be helped), so thinking "he's less of a pervert" until that becomes true is out of the question.

[SolaceFall 21,310]

The whole there is no wrong way in making stands to be the best truth I have seen repeatedly. Could one make a tulpa solely just focusing onto "that energy"?  The wish of wanting to create one and always keeping it in mind? Is meditation required to make one? 

 

When any of you made yours are these some of the approaches you took?

[AstralAmity 416]

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