gaming NBA 2K20. Now with a casino. In a basketball game

[Jon the VGNerd 842]

I kid you not.

 

[碇 シンジン 27,427]

Remember when playing games was actually about the content in the games instead of random DLC, microupdates, transactions and gambling. 

Back then they released the full game with actual content in it and you know you could also play that content without paying extra as you bought the game with money already.

These days they just release full priced skeleton/demo and tease you with the content you could have but if you want that you need to pay more.

Edited August 29, 2019 by 碇 シンジン

[Kyoshi Frost Wolf 40,213]

This trailer is by far one of the most disgusting things I have ever seen in gaming and let me tell you, that is saying a hell of a lot. This trailer fully embraces the gambling mechanics, while also embracing the pathetic "influencer" culture that helps fuel it all. 2K can rot in the grave it is digging for itself. Anyone that actively buys into the MyTeam trash is an idiot, plain and simple.

[Here No Longer 5,270]

4 hours ago, Kyoshi said:

2K can rot in the grave it is digging for itself. 

*It already started digging years ago

 

Literally the only thing 2K publishes that I WON'T hard pass on is Borderlands, but they've done A LOT of questionable things publishing it already. Like, you know, making it a TIMED EXCLUSIVE on the Epic Games store. For what? Because Epic and 2K are too close for either of their own good?  2K is WORSE than EA.

Edited August 29, 2019 by Dustlicious

[Pentium100 2,055]

How is that not gambling? There is a virtual slot machine in there and I'm pretty sure that you pay real money to spin it.

Oh wait, it's "surprise mechanics", kinda like getting run over by a car is "surprise massage".

 

I think that the games industry is going to crash, at least the big companies will. The problem is the expectation of continuous growth. Let's say a company was normal and published games without microtransactions. It earned some money and the earnings slowly increased. Investors were kinda OK with it. Then that company decided to include cosmetic microtransactions in its new game. The earnings shot up by a lot, investors were really happy, but now demanding the same "miracle" every year. So, the next year it's pay-to-win, again, earnings shot up and investors were happy. The year after that it's loot boxes. And now what? How can the company repeat the same "miracle" over and over again? Especially since now that is a backlash against this and even governments are getting interested in it. At some point the company won't be able to show such rapid profit increase, it may even show a loss. That will make the investors really unhappy.

After all, those companies do not want to make money, or even make a lot of money. They want to make all the money that there is, to squeeze every last cent from everyone.

 

Epic Games is trying to buy its way into the market. They want a large market share not because they provide a good service. They want to just buy their place. This is one of the reasons why I believe that to have something resembling a free market the government has to have large companies on a leash. Otherwise the company can just kill its competitors and everyone will be worse off because of that (since competition is good). While Valve is not perfect, Epic Games actions stink.

[Passion 3,478]

Excuse me but who dared put basketball into my casino game? Get this thing out of there, clearly not what "Rated 3 or above" age label recipients want.

[Sparklefan1234 161,585]

Do they at least put a "micro transactions" warning on the box like they do for mobile games? 

[Pentium100 2,055]

I think so. This was ESRB's attempt at confusing everyone. Basically lumping together games with normal microtransations (you know what you buy) and loot boxes to make the loot boxes not stand out from other microtransactions.

[Castle Bleck 19,163]

The developers summed-up in 5 words:

 

[Megas 27,042]

5 hours ago, Dustlicious said:

Literally the only thing 2K publishes that I WON'T hard pass on is Borderlands,

Randy Pitchford has been doing a good job doing it himself 

[Denim&Venöm 16,445]

Fun pact NBA 2K20 rated E for everyone/ PEGI 3+.

The Pokemon games are rated PEGI 12+. For images of simulated gambling.

 

[Denim&Venöm 16,445]

On 8/29/2019 at 12:56 AM, Jon the VGNerd said:

I kid you not.

 

Fun fact: This video has now been de-listed. No one else will be able to find it. The PEGI version is off YouTube completely. 

2K are trying to sweep all this under the rug. 

[Here No Longer 5,270]

On 8/29/2019 at 12:41 PM, Kiryu-Chan said:

Randy Pitchford has been doing a good job doing it himself 

Try a disgruntled employee making up stories.

[Jon the VGNerd 842]

YongYea's three videos regarding NBA 2K20 says it all. Go look 'em up. Even he is utterly pissed at this.

[Twilight Luna 30,917]

3 hours ago, Denim&Venom said:

Fun fact: This video has now been de-listed. No one else will be able to find it. The PEGI version is off YouTube completely. 

2K are trying to sweep all this under the rug. 

They couldn’t pay enough people to upvote the trailer. So they took it down.

[Jon the VGNerd 842]

3 hours ago, Denim&Venom said:

Fun fact: This video has now been de-listed. No one else will be able to find it. The PEGI version is off YouTube completely. 

2K are trying to sweep all this under the rug. 

Video is still up for me. And the dislikes and comments continue to pile up. 2K are trying and failing big time.

[Denim&Venöm 16,445]

Just now, Jon the VGNerd said:

Video is still up for me. And the dislikes and comments continue to pile up. 2K are trying and failing big time.

Unlisted doesn't mean taken down or rendered private. It just means you can't search for it. And it's thanks to techniques like embedding that people are still finding this vid and slathering on the hate. 

[Jon the VGNerd 842]

1 minute ago, Denim&Venom said:

Unlisted doesn't mean taken down or rendered private. It just means you can't search for it. And it's thanks to techniques like embedding that people are still finding this vid and slathering on the hate. 

Oh definitely. And I'm sure even mobile games, known for many free games with paywalls and such, it's only a matter of time before they're hit with a massive lawsuit and start banning lootboxes/microtransactions altogether.

[Denim&Venöm 16,445]

1 minute ago, Jon the VGNerd said:

Oh definitely. And I'm sure even mobile games, known for many free games with paywalls and such, it's only a matter of time before they're hit with a massive lawsuit and start banning lootboxes/microtransactions altogether.

Hopefully this fixes the cut content, day one patches and buggy games issue. How have we not had law suits for false advertising around all that yet? 

[Jon the VGNerd 842]

It's just gotten worse.

 

[Sir Hugsalot 8,619]

It's mindblowing to me that they actually released this trailer and expected people not to get angry. It's like all these triple A publishers are so detached from reality today that they fail to understand the most basic problems of modern gaming. They just assume they will slap some happy faces in trailer and casino and then thumbs up will come raining from the sky. And doing so right in the middle of investigation regarding gambling in video games? There are no words, normally I keep looking for a deeply hidden reason behind such... unusual actions. Here... there is no way around it. Someone went full stupid.

Honestly, I find what was happening lately with video games in general so sad. The market was slowly rotting for a long time. DLCs alone were a dreadful thing and it is BAD that they are now seen as good. They were always utilized by greedy companies as shameless cashgrabs, offering content directly cut from the game or overpriced nonsense. People seem to forget how expensive a single, stupid skin was in some video games. At this pace if nobody will stop the industry we will MISS all this gambling in 4-5 years, because they will come up with even more disgusting ways to milk players by then. 

And the worst thing? This game will likely sell. It is deceptive towards one of its main targets thanks to incredibly corrupt PEGI rating that assumes this is children stuff. Some people will not give a damn as to them it is "player's choice". Internet is very vocal about those problems, but sadly until we have a full blown drama and headlines not much will change. For now we only have handful of articles on BBC etc and sadly that may not be enough. I have high hopes for the brutal statement released by UK regarding loot boxes. Hopefully that will finally push greediness of certain people back and at least force them to sell such games as +18 with additional indication of in-game gambling mechanics. 

Also I hope next time people will not wait for pay2win model going on before opposing such a thing. What Blizzard has done in Overwatch was already bad and that was exactly when a backlash should have arrived. 

[Patty Thundersnow 4,129]

12 hours ago, Floppy Pug-Bunny Star Wars Man said:

It's mindblowing to me that they actually released this trailer and expected people not to get angry. It's like all these triple A publishers are so detached from reality today that they fail to understand the most basic problems of modern gaming. They just assume they will slap some happy faces in trailer and casino and then thumbs up will come raining from the sky. And doing so right in the middle of investigation regarding gambling in video games? There are no words, normally I keep looking for a deeply hidden reason behind such... unusual actions. Here... there is no way around it. Someone went full stupid.

Honestly, I find what was happening lately with video games in general so sad. The market was slowly rotting for a long time. DLCs alone were a dreadful thing and it is BAD that they are now seen as good. They were always utilized by greedy companies as shameless cashgrabs, offering content directly cut from the game or overpriced nonsense. People seem to forget how expensive a single, stupid skin was in some video games. At this pace if nobody will stop the industry we will MISS all this gambling in 4-5 years, because they will come up with even more disgusting ways to milk players by then. 

And the worst thing? This game will likely sell. It is deceptive towards one of its main targets thanks to incredibly corrupt PEGI rating that assumes this is children stuff. Some people will not give a damn as to them it is "player's choice". Internet is very vocal about those problems, but sadly until we have a full blown drama and headlines not much will change. For now we only have handful of articles on BBC etc and sadly that may not be enough. I have high hopes for the brutal statement released by UK regarding loot boxes. Hopefully that will finally push greediness of certain people back and at least force them to sell such games as +18 with additional indication of in-game gambling mechanics. 

Also I hope next time people will not wait for pay2win model going on before opposing such a thing. What Blizzard has done in Overwatch was already bad and that was exactly when a backlash should have arrived. 

2K and EA are the worst at these 'lootboxes' and microtransactions. It sickens me that games these days, especially sports games who have 'ultimate team' or a similar other mode, have to basically pay money just to get the best players or items for the game. Whatever happened to DLC?

[SaburoDaimando 1,196]

The one thing I find really sad about this are people who are willing to defend this kind of practice.  And no, it's none of you since you all think this sucks.  

I've heard people defend this kind of practice, with BS like...

It's just optional

Player Choice

They have the right to buy that stuff.

 

Even more so, there were times where Microtransactions were snuck into the game(Crash Team Racing on the PS4/XBone/Switch/PC), so by the time you were enjoying the game, it's already too late.  

And ironically, that's not the only problem with this game.  The game turned out to be a Bug-filled mess, even more so than Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric when that came out.  The details are in this link  https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/nba-2k20-launch-fix2k20-twitter-biggest-complaints/1gzg1dedlzyhf1x3tucadwsgp9

[Sir Hugsalot 8,619]

5 hours ago, Fiendstorm said:

2K and EA are the worst at these 'lootboxes' and microtransactions. It sickens me that games these days, especially sports games who have 'ultimate team' or a similar other mode, have to basically pay money just to get the best players or items for the game. Whatever happened to DLC?

The DLCs were pretty bad already. While they did not promote gambling in any way average DLC offered half or less of content of typical "old school" expansion pack for the same or even higher price. Also DLCs were made of content that was already finished before game's release while before them expansion packs were *really* expansions that were developed after release of the game. To make it short - DLCs were just a way to milk players of their money. You want a complete game? Pay up. (and mind You by "complete game" here I mean game with all the content that was availible on the release day). And in most extreme cases DLCs were literally on a CD with a game. 

DLCs seem good now only, because we are facing something way worse. 

Right now they seem like a vacation compared to the mess we have, but take a trip to the past. People hated DLCs and for many good reasons. Then people hated in game shops and microtransactions, where You can buy specific items. Now people hate loot boxes. But they always just complained online and allowed game publishers to grind our wallets til there's not a drop left. To me it is sad that we needed governments to react as when politicians kick in they do way more than just deal with loot boxes. There will likely be talks of other issues, like "in game violence" etc. All, because some companies can't help their greediness. 

[Cash In 21,471]

I think anyone can work out why the concept of this is borderline insane. This is such a greedy cash grab and I don't know how any of it can be seen as a positive by some.