web Who's leaving YouTube after 2019?

[Splashee 28,537]

1 hour ago, Jesse Terrence said:

>Create a separate Youtube called Youtube-kids (just an example), where this COPPA organization can have fun and control the kids on their own time.

Actually, I don't know if you were being sarchastic or not, but there is a youtube kids already. And it's creepy as fuck.

And kids under 13 are not allowed in youtube! It is shitty parents that just let tablets on their children hooves that made the problem! Have you ever seen modern parenting in action? I have cousins who give an iPad to their child on whatever weird, horrible youtube kid-oriented video (like that awful baby shark song -shudder-), and kids spend hours lobotomized by the idiotic content those weirdos upload. Seriously, just take a moment to watch any of those "Opening surprise egg! Amazing toys!" kind of video for a couple minutes and you'll meet a whole new kind of psychological horror. The actors are uncanny. They feel like aliens or living manequins.

But anyway, youtube was collecting data through their scripts and showing kid oriented commercials with that data. Parents got mad at it because "their childrens were vulnerable!". And since it is the most logic thing, a sue was put and the shitty parents won the sue. FTC bills Youtube because lulz, and youtube says "that's fine, we WON'T really change what we should since is more profitable to keep spying on children, but we shall point fingers at content creators so you can pluck them and we can keep our hooves clean".

So, regarding the question... I've seen the majority of the musicians from the fandom planning on a massive exodus to any other video streaming option. Many animators are thinking about the same, but nopony has really agreed on a single site or two of them. I myself will keep watching youtube until the content disappears. Afterwards? Probably lurk the many archives the guys at 4chan are working on.

No, I didn't know! And you actually gave very good information for me to understand what is going on, so thank you!

[Jesse Terrence 2,963]

17 minutes ago, Splashee said:

No, I didn't know! And you actually gave very good information for me to understand what is going on, so thank you!

You're welcome, splash.

It's my pleasure to provide with useful information.

Also, the whole COPPA thing is insane!

Have you seen how big are the tickets you can get for tagging wrong? And they are PER VIDEO! Something something above 4k US dollars.

So, apparently, if your content isn't kid friendly, and you tag it as not appropiate for children, but their lazy description of what is kid friendly matches with your video, then you can get a ticket for wrong tagging. See how awful that is? If you tag it as inappropiate for children because use of drugs, foul language, adult topics, gore or sexual non-explicit content but it is cartoony, colorful, animation (yes, animation, whatever kind of animation), is about games or toys or you use generic "childish slang such as cool, wow, awesome" and so, then for them it should be kid friendly and you tagged it wrong! But here's the catch and the thing that makes it REALLY scary for everypony! If you tag it as kid friendly, but given it has adult themes like the ones I already mentioned, they give you a ticket for WRONG TAGGING!

Pretty much, there's no way to avoid tickets if you're talking pony.

[Pentium100 2,056]

13 minutes ago, Jesse Terrence said:

Pretty much, there's no way to avoid tickets if you're talking pony.

Tag it as kid friendly? Unless it's porn or something like that.

EDIT: So, 4chan is working on an archive? That seems fun. I remember downloading and archiving a bunch of Google Video videos when Google announced that they will be deleted (later IIRC Google kept them), then uploading them to the archive server.. Still have a few tapes with those videos.

Edited December 5, 2019 by Pentium100

[Jesse Terrence 2,963]

14 minutes ago, Pentium100 said:

Tag it as kid friendly? Unless it's porn or something like that.

Would work unless you have anything not kid friendly in there.

For instance, if you were a musician and you let out a few loud words out there, then you'd get a ticket if you have a pony on the video (like pretty much almost all musicians in the fandom).

Saucy comedy? Ticket.

Violence (take for instance lullaby for a princess with all those magic beams or once upon in canterlot with all the hoof to hoof combat)? Ticket.

Parodies with any dark humour? Ticket.

Got non-heterosexual shipping? Ticket.

References to drinking, smoking or drugs? Ticket.

Pony game playthroughs with violence on them (Fighting is magic, FoE, .Ambient)? Ticket.

Pony plus horror (story of the blanks, Octavia in the underworld cello, any grimdark creepypasta games or still images/screamers)? Ticket

Most pony comic dubs that feature foul language, dark humor, saucy comedy, shipping, tragedy and the list goes on. Ticket.

Pony youtube poop videos. Ticket.

Many PMVs that feature pop songs. Ticket.

 

I guess if the content is so bland and boring it just seems like a cheap flash animation that features ponies being friendly and eating cake then those would be fine getting a kid friendly tag.

 

EDIT: AH YEAH! I forgot one HUGE issue with making your content kid friendly to be ok with the tag!

You see, if you tag your content kid friendly, then comments are disabled and the video can't be added to playlists.

Edited December 5, 2019 by Jesse Terrence

[Jesse Terrence 2,963]

26 minutes ago, Bas said:

There is an idiom in my language: Nothing gets eaten as hot as it is cooked.

I doubt we are at the end of the story, so I'd just make my channels private, not uploading any videos, maybe backup some videos, lay back and watch how it plays out.

I think that's a good idea. Most likely the best way to deal with the change and see what can and can't be done.

[碇 シンジン 27,427]

Left the site after 2016 it's just a big mess these days

[FirePuppy 626]

Only 11 days left, guys. The FTC, apparently, is ignoring our protests no matter how big they are, so that leaves us with only two choices before it's too late: suspend our channels ourselves or get fined the price of a car.

[FirePuppy 626]

The new COPPA rules have now gone into effect, and now some videos have lost many features, with the exception of being able to subscribe to their respective channels. Some WRONGFUL examples include:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-ls5G07RLM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P6PeXK0zmg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAHcI3MhesU

[Dank Pony Child 513]

On 11/23/2019 at 4:17 PM, Splashee said:

I like to be blunt and all that: Block all children (kids) below 13 years old from Youtube.

 

Create a separate Youtube called Youtube-kids (just an example), where this COPPA organization can have fun and control the kids on their own time. Let's be honest, none of us here at the forum are below 13, so you should agree with me

There is a YouTube kids, but no one likes to use it, especially kids. So the kids all flock to the normal YouTube, even though they know they’re ruining it for everyone else (trust me, I know a bunch of kids who confessed that).

[Lucky Bolt 34,914]

I did. My PMVs kept being taken down due to copyright, even my old ones. It just feels pointless uploading videos that won’t even get to stay up. So I left YouTube, or at least, quit uploading pony content. 

[Cyclone 1066 3,616]

One of my new year's resolutions was to actually use my channel more. 

After I make sure to set it to "not for children" that's for sure.

[Rainbow Cloud 16,290]

Going to see how things go but I'm thinking of moving my videos somewhere else as most of my videos are unlisted and there's only one person I know who watches them anyway so having them on youtube isn't really that important.

Edited January 7, 2020 by Rainbow Cloud

[Alphabet Soup 38]

I don't upload much to Youtube, but so far I'm not having any trouble with the new rules. YT just seems to take my word for it when I say a video's not for kids, even if it has ponies and such in it. I'm just going to carry on as usual.

I'll let you guys know if things go horribly wrong.

[Venomous 18,813]

As ridiculous this new mechanic is, I am not going to straight up abandon YouTube. 

[Will Guide 21,325]

Well, at least the fanmade pony videos I watch by DagaYemar and DisneyFanatic 2364 are still there. Just the comments are turned off with a link to download the For Kids app under the description.

Frankly, with all the negativity I've seen on the Internet, maybe it's healthy for the comments on some of these videos are turned off. Of course, if viewed through streaming tv or a video game system has no comments viewable nor description shown beyond a released time

[Jesse Terrence 2,963]

12 minutes ago, Will Guide said:

Well, at least the fanmade pony videos I watch by DagaYemar and DisneyFanatic 2364 are still there. Just the comments are turned off with a link to download the For Kids app under the description.

Frankly, with all the negativity I've seen on the Internet, maybe it's healthy for the comments on some of these videos are turned off. Of course, if viewed through streaming tv or a video game system has no comments viewable nor description shown beyond a released time

I would like to point out a few episodes of happy tree friends, many brony songs, gory or straight up adult themed pony parodies and even the first ponies the anthology have been tagged by the algorithm as kid friendly. Talk about artificial stupidity xD

[xX_PinkDragon_Xx 417]

I've already left YouTube. I've come to accept that it's never gonna get better as long as Google's involved, so there's simply no point in it.

[Emerald Heart 24,559]

Well, it's 2020 and I'm staying. 

[heavens-champion 1,893]

On 11/24/2019 at 12:47 PM, Pentium100 said:

Google wanted to collect data about kids.

Why do they wanna do that?

..... are they run by a pedophile?

[Pentium100 2,056]

6 hours ago, heavens-champion said:

Why do they wanna do that?

..... are they run by a pedophile?

Because that's how Google makes money - it sells data about people or uses the data to sell targeted-to-person advertising.

And data about kids is data (=money). Why would Google voluntarily give up a source of income if they can get away with it, while putting the blame on others (and hoping that the authorities are not going to go after every single channel with kids content marked as not for kids)?

[heavens-champion 1,893]

42 minutes ago, Pentium100 said:

Because that's how Google makes money - it sells data about people or uses the data to sell targeted-to-person advertising.

 

Sounds like a violation of privacy. Or am I reading into it wrong?

Edited January 15, 2020 by heavens-champion

[Pentium100 2,056]

31 minutes ago, heavens-champion said:

Sounds like a violation of privacy. Or am I reading into it wrong?

The way Google and Facebook (and some other companies) make money (after all, you do not pay to use the services of Google or Facebook) is by collecting data on the users, then using the data to create profiles of what the user likes, dislikes, what his political beliefs are and so on. Selling the profile of a specific person is probably a violation of privacy laws, however, what they do is a bit different:

1. Say you are conducting research and would like to know how people like your product, party or whatever. You can pay Facebook to get the "anonymized" data that has the answer you are looking for.

2. Say you want to advertise your product, but putting an ad on TV or radio costs money and most people that see it may not even be interested in the thing in general (for example, most men are not interested in various women-only products, like tampons). So, the way it works on TV is that a show has some audience ( they do surveys to figure that out), and you can choose to advertise the product during said show. So, if you want to advertise motor oil, you probably should do it during a show about cars. But this is very inexact.
Then there are the targeted-at-content advertising on web sites. It works similar to TV, in that if the site is about My Little Pony, then ads for various MLP related stuff would work better than, say, ads about guns. This would be the opposite on a gun-related site. It still is not exact.
And now we come to the targeted-at-person advertising. If Google knows that I like MLP and guns, I'll see MLP-related and gun-related ads everywhere I go, because those ads are more likely to be interesting to me. The advertisers pay more for this ability to target the ads to people who are more likely to be interested. Same with political ads - if I love party X, there there is not much point for them to show ads for that party to me - I'm going to vote for that party regardless. On the other hand, some other party might want to change my mind, so I would see their ads.

Did you notice that if you search for some thing, like a hard drive or something on Amazon or some other e-shop, you will get ads for hard drives (or the thing you searched for) everywhere you go?

Oh, and by the way, there is one way how you can influence election results - it is known that if you show ads that tell people to go and vote, even if the ad does not tell who to vote for, the people are more likely to go and vote for their favorite candidate. So, Facebook, for example, knows what users like candidate A and what users like candidate B, it can choose to show lots of "go and vote whoever you like" ads to the supporters of A, but very few of those ads to supporters of B, meaning that "A" voter turnout is going to be bigger.

[Stone Cold Steve Jobs 22,410]

Not enough people will leave YouTube to cause a problem. 

Edited January 20, 2020 by Stone Cold Steve Tuna
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