What do you think about Joe Biden?

[Yoshi89 5,290]

We had a topic for Trump and one for Clinton, so here's one about this election's Democrat nominee.

Much like all the other prominent career politicians, Joe Biden is a slimeball. He hasn't learned from Hillary's mistakes, rehashing her idea of attracting Republican voters with insults and unfounded accusations. It's also creepy the way he's been caught on camera getting touchy-feely with no signs of stopping, and yet it always seems to get swept under the rug.

The sad thing about it: his party is going to drag him through his candidacy with all the gaffes he's made in the past few months. I can only wonder what his debate performance against Trump would be like.

[AveryGamerDude 4,640]

Not a fan. To be fair, I don't like ANY politician.

[Sliding Bolt 4,358]

I won’t go too deep into political beliefs but I’m not a fan. I am pretty conservative and Biden is just any other politician. They’re all worthless. I will say he was a much better choice than Bernie though. I do respect Biden for his C2 Corvette but that’s about it. Politics pretty much sucks and Trump will likely win again which I don’t have much of a problem with. 

Edited April 20, 2020 by Sliding Bolt

[Envy 5,997]

I don't much care for him. He has accusations against him, and while that's still a little different from Trump who bragged about sexual assault on tape, Biden also has the footage of him being creepy with people in public conferences and the like.

I really didn't want to have the option be between two sexual predators, and both of them are, 100%.

However, with that said... Since the option is between two sexual predators and not just one (which the last election was just one, just saying), the lesser evil principle comes into play and Biden is the lesser evil. But a vote for him from me will come very begrudgingly. It's just that the Republican candidate is such a level of horrible as a man and a leader that I have to vote against him.

He's pretty conservative, but it all comes down to the Supreme Court for me. Biden would make better choices than Trump, and the Supreme Court is of, well, supreme importance, because it lasts much longer than any presidency. Trump's picks are absolutely disgusting, and have clear agendas. I'd say Kavanaugh is ignorant, but I know that's not the truth. When he says that separation of church and state is "bad history", he's educated enough to know better. He's just dishonest.

I also think Biden would do work to restore the LGBT rights that the Trump administration has hurt, which is super important.

Still, I don't understand how we had a Democratic field with great candidates like Warren and Sanders, and then other less controversial moderates, and somehow we came out with Biden. *sigh* Come on, America. Come on!

Edited April 20, 2020 by Envy

[Megas 27,050]

He's a creep that promises to bring everything back to Obama levels of normal and it really shows the sorry state of the country when Obama is the best we can muster. At this point any chance of him winning the presidency depends entirely on how worse Trump can mess up both the outbreak and economy

[Early Sunsets 2,106]

He's a creepy old fudge bag and I don't know why anyone would ever vote for him. He's better than Bernie, but that isn't saying much. They're both terrible.

[Luigi 7,868]

Trump’s blundering about COVID-19 has sealed Biden’s victory. That’s the way I see it, and don’t try me on this

And Tara Reade? Don’t try me on that either. We as Americans have to consider the possibility that her story is another act of collusion just like 2016 and Vladimir Putin that Bill Barr tried to convince us was a hoax

And then there’s this Dementia thing. If you don’t know what the word Dementia means, then for the love of Christ DON’T USE IT

Edited April 20, 2020 by Eren Jaeger

[AppleButt 8,669]

Don’t really care for him.  He’s said some things I don’t like.  And he’s basically just another one of the conservative like democrats who just says progressive things in an attempt to appeal to the more left voters.  I voted for Sanders, even though I don’t agree with everything he says either. 

Im voting for him though as I don’t like Trump. 
 

My more progressive friends are convinced Biden is gonna lose though, and I’m gonna have to disagree there.  

Trump is gonna have an uphill battle on this election.  I don’t care what any of Trump’s overly confident supporters say.  I mean the only reason Trump beat Hillary, one of the worst candidates the dems have ever put out was through the EC.  And Biden just is not Hillary, and does not come with her baggage. 

I’m very much not excited about this election though.

Edited April 20, 2020 by AppleButt

[Twilight Luna 30,917]

Biden is a relic of the old days. I'm sorry but he's too old for the job. The Democrat party needs new leadership and young blood or it won't survive. 

[Lucky Bolt 34,914]

I'm not a fan, but at least he's better than Sanders. That dude is a nut. 

[Awkward Segway 301]

Not a fan, but I'd vote for him over Trump (though that's not saying much - the only Democratic candidates that I would vote for Trump over would be Sanders and Warren).

Not that it matters though - I'll vote Libertarian if they run a good candidate (like Jacob Hornberger), or just not vote (again) if they run someone like Gary Johnson again.

[Splashee 28,537]

Never heard about him. Who dat?

[Phosphor 11,522]

I don't hate the dude personally. I just don't like his policies. Joe Biden is a corporate Democrat, so it would be business as usual (more neoliberalism  ). He also seems to be experiencing some form of cognitive decline. Just compare his past debates/interviews with current ones. Something's wrong and it's getting worse. It's not a "stutter" either.

[Olly 1,008]

He doesn't have the charisma to win a presidential election, though he might be tall enough. Where's his catchy slogan? where's his combative spirit? 

[Octavia Heartstrings 28,397]

I'm not a huge fan of him, but I'll vote for him over Trump.

[Rarity Gemstones 189]

 

3 hours ago, Envy said:

I don't much care for him. He has accusations against him, and while that's still a little different from Trump who bragged about sexual assault on tape, Biden also has the footage of him being creepy with people in public conferences and the like.

I really didn't want to have the option be between two sexual predators, and both of them are, 100%.

 However, with that said... Since the option is between two sexual predators and not just one (which the last election was just one, just saying), the lesser evil principle comes into play and Biden is the lesser evil. But a vote for him from me will come very begrudgingly. It's just that the Republican candidate is such a level of horrible as a man and a leader that I have to vote against him.

He's pretty conservative, but it all comes down to the Supreme Court for me. Biden would make better choices than Trump, and the Supreme Court is of, well, supreme importance, because it lasts much longer than any presidency. Trump's picks are absolutely disgusting, and have clear agendas. I'd say Kavanaugh is ignorant, but I know that's not the truth. When he says that separation of church and state is "bad history", he's educated enough to know better. He's just dishonest.

I also think Biden would do work to restore the LGBT rights that the Trump administration has hurt, which is super important.

Still, I don't understand how we had a Democratic field with great candidates like Warren and Sanders, and then other less controversial moderates, and somehow we came out with Biden. *sigh* Come on, America. Come on!

In the United States, isn't it that one must have a trial and be convicted to be referred to as a sexual predator? I'm not sure how it works there, but I was under that assumption. I apologize for the confusion, I just wanted the clarity for myself. Forgive my English.

[SharpWit 2,472]

@Rarity Gemstones Yes, you must be convicted in order to actually be referred to as a sexual predator, but in American politics, it's not uncommon for the constituents to openly use such terms in their opinions or as insults.

Hillary biggest downfall is that she's has always had a disagreeable personality. She was cold, isolated potential supporters, and rarely ever personal with anyone. Her public interactions were strictly business in almost their entirety. That being said, she had my full support in 2016, and Biden has had my full support for 2020, and even back then when I first saw just how human he was compared to every other politician I've seen. I beleive he would've won 2016 had he ran given how close Hillary came and him being more popular than she was then, on top of a seat being held for him at the start of the first Democratic debate should he have decide to run last minute.

While Biden hasn't always conducted himself as appropriately as he could have, I'm not aware of anyone having dealt with it considering it to be outright sexual other than Tara Reade's very questionable assault accusation. It's been just over a year since he acknowledged his behavior and said he'd be more mindful. The closest thing to a complaint about his physical interactions that I've found so far was at an Iowa event in late January of this year, where he pressed Ed Fallon on the chest a few times, poked him with his index finger, and kind of gripped onto his Jacket when confronted about pipelines. Ed Fallon said it was inappropriate but that he wasn't looking for an apology. Meanwhile Trump has a long history of public accusations against him going all the way back to at least the early 80s, but all I really have to site is the Access Hollywood Tape for anyone to see how blatantly of a creep he is.

People have been calling Biden out for a while now on his gaffes, none more so than Bernie Supporters, that was until the last democratic debate where everyone said he'd make a complete fool of himself, but instead he showed otherwise and proved he could hold his own in a 1 on 1 discussion. What so many fail to recognize, is that Biden is at his best under those circumstances, and with Covid-19 still raging and Trump's disastrous handling of the pandemic, the debates for the general election may very well focus on his responsibility for that and how the nation will recover. That paints a big target on his back, and if there's no audience to pander to, there's no one to immediately elevate his insults and one liners. We underestimated the power a lively crowd has on the people back home watching, and Trump can't really function without that, especially when he's going to be called out on, lie after lie after lie. Hell, if Trump even tries to call him out on his gaffes, all Biden really has to say is Covfefe.

TLDR: Biden has a better personality than Hillary, at the very least Trump is a much bigger creep, and Biden has proven he can hold his own in 1v1 discussions.

[Nsxile 25,630]

He's politically no different to Trump really imo:

And if I were american, I wouldn't vote.

[Envy 5,997]

16 minutes ago, Rarity Gemstones said:

 

In the United States, isn't it that one must have a trial and be convicted to be referred to as a sexual predator? I'm not sure how it works there, but I was under that assumption. I apologize for the confusion, I just wanted the clarity for myself. Forgive my English.

I don't know the legal definition, but I mean Trump bragged about it on tape, so I have never had any issue calling him that. As far as I know, Biden has only been caught being a bit creepy, but recently I heard there are accusations, and I know that accusations don't come lightly.

I'm not going to apply a different standard to Biden just because he's more on my side.

[EpicEnergy 22,065]

I don't like his ideals, and I wouldn't vote for him at all.

[Here No Longer 5,270]

5 hours ago, Nsxile said:

He's politically no different to Trump really imo:

And if I were american, I wouldn't vote.

Didn't want to vote in 2016, don't want to vote now. Biden and Trump to me are both despicable and I am ashamed of Bernie for quitting and backing the latter. He's become a gutless loser who I can't bring myself to support much anymore.

 

You could go down the line with most people in mainstream US politics and you might just be surprised just how alike they are despite acting like they're polar opposites.

Edited April 21, 2020 by Dustlicious

[Rarity Gemstones 189]

I suppose this is a moment where I should be grateful that I am not American.

[Cirrus. 1,088]

I don't like Biden. He's just another corrupt politician who blabs B.S.

Also ON TAPE he admitted withholding money from Ukraine unless they fired the Ukrainian prosecutor investigating his son. It seems like HE SEES NOTHING WRONG HERE!?!?

 

I don't like Bernie's policies (Socialism isn't great) but he seemed more genuine. I do think he acted in good faith- although misguided.

 

Trump has done better than I thought he was going to do so far as president. He's had a louder mouth than I thought he would have over his term, but he has gotten so much more rabid obstruction and undermining than I would have ever imagined either. He's also doing much better in his handling of the Coronavirus than I thought he would. The travel bans were absolutely vital. Also very smart move in delegating to those in the know.

When I first saw what was happening in Italy I thought we were going to be Fuc#@d. I thought here we would have crashed hospitals, devastated food supply chains, closed banks, crashed financial markets, and looting and rioting. We very well may have if he didn't do the travel bans. That bought us time to get our shit together Medical-wise and "Government-planning-wise".

 

For people who say Trump is doing a bad job with the virus, He is NOT a magician with a magic wand. The stuff WE NEED comes from CHINA. If you watched him before this pandemic  you would know HE is NOT the one who sold out OUR manufacturing to China...

Yeah he may be an orange unpresidential loudmouth oaf sometimes, but isn't as stupid as he may seem occasionally.

"Um....excuse me?"

 

 

LOL not really related, but it made me think of this!

Edited April 22, 2020 by Cirrus.

[Megas 27,050]

3 hours ago, Cirrus. said:

Trump has done better than I thought he was going to do so far as president. He's had a louder mouth than I thought he would have over his term, but he has gotten so much more rabid obstruction and undermining than I would have ever imagined either. He's also doing much better in his handling of the Coronavirus than I thought he would. The travel bans were absolutely vital. Also very smart move in delegating to those in the know.

When I first saw what was happening in Italy I thought we were going to be Fuc#@d. I thought here we would have crashed hospitals, devastated food supply chains, closed banks, crashed financial markets, and looting and rioting. We very well may have if he didn't do the travel bans. That bought us time to get our shit together Medical-wise and "Government-planning-wise".

 

For people who say Trump is doing a bad job with the virus, He is NOT a magician with a magic wand. The stuff WE NEED comes from CHINA. If you watched him before this pandemic  you would know HE is NOT the one who sold out OUR manufacturing to China...

Yeah he may be an orange unpresidential loudmouth oaf sometimes, but isn't as stupid as he may seem occasionally.

Yeah, Trump's done a phenomenal job. Historically high unemployment numbers. Highest infection and death tolls, over 40,000 deaths, most of which could have been entirely preventable if he hadn't spent a good month or 2 claiming the pandemic was a hoax, then backtracking saying it wouldn't be so bad. A crashing market worse than 2008, reaching Depression levels(to the point prices for oil are reaching the negatives). Picking fights with Governers both Democratic and Republican over supplies, and actively confiscating their supplies to the point they have to pretend to be food trucks to actually receive this stuff. Picking fights with reporters because he's so thin-skinned he can't handle the simplest questions and has such a fragile ego he can't handle the thought of people criticizing him and not kissing his ass. Only thing he's done right is hiring Anthony Fauci, and even then he's been trying to undermine him every time he addresses the Coronavirus.

I agree he can't do everything, but his inaction to do anything from the start undoubtedly make things worse. Remember the travel ban that happened? They were still letting people in.
Heck, when it came to local borders, Canada and Mexico closed on us. Addressing the virus has depended entirely on the Governers themselves because, as many will tell you, they can't rely on the president for shit. At this point you better hope to god you're governer isn't shit

Edited April 22, 2020 by Megas

[The Historian 515]

I can't even act surprised anymore. Every election cycle since the 2000s, it's like a race for one party or the other to choose the absolute worst candidates possible. Like... do they sit around and think to themselves "who's the shittiest candidate we can muster this time?" Then have a big laugh as they ruin the country for their own selfish interests. I can't even complain about only Biden, even though he is an even worse candidate than Hilary... and I didn't even think that was possible.

I suppose it's about time to establish a drinking problem cause shit ain't gettin' any better.