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Jenny Nicholson (the creator of Friendship is Witchcraft) recently made a video that is essentially a retrospective on the brony fandom:

I thought it was a fairly objective impartial look at the fandom (both the good and the bad parts of it), since she used to be involved in it in the early years but moved on from it later on.

I'm sharing this here for anyone who hasn't seen it, and for people to share their thoughts on it.

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Love me some Jenny Nicholson. I didn't actually know she worked on Friendship is Witchcraft till a long time after I had started watching her. I dig her fun obsession with theme parks and her revelry in all things badly made. I watched that mini documentary when she posted it and it was quite informative of the Con culture end of the fandom (never went to a Con personally). I'm a bit disappointed to hear John De Lancie is a jerk IRL, but that's also kind of expected with celebrities. I'm glad she tore that documentary he did a new one, cause honestly I didn't much care for it at the time either. 

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1 hour ago, Adorable Lovestar said:

I skimmed through it, just so I could say I found opinions that aren't objective. I did, and my deed is done.

"Objective" was the wrong word to use - I should have said "impartial" instead.

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3 minutes ago, Awkward Segway said:

"Objective" was the wrong word to use - I should have said "impartial" instead.

It's alright, I was just goofing, I knew what you meant. No harm done.

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2 hours ago, Buck Testa said:

Love me some Jenny Nicholson. I didn't actually know she worked on Friendship is Witchcraft till a long time after I had started watching her. I dig her fun obsession with theme parks and her revelry in all things badly made. I watched that mini documentary when she posted it and it was quite informative of the Con culture end of the fandom (never went to a Con personally). I'm a bit disappointed to hear John De Lancie is a jerk IRL, but that's also kind of expected with celebrities. I'm glad she tore that documentary he did a new one, cause honestly I didn't much care for it at the time either. 

Which one, the De Lancie one? I remember there being two big ones, one with De Lancie and one with Ashleigh Ball, with the latter being significantly less controversial

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59 minutes ago, Megas said:

Which one, the De Lancie one? I remember there being two big ones, one with De Lancie and one with Ashleigh Ball, with the latter being significantly less controversial

Yeah the De Lancie one. She brings it up during the video. 

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I don't honestly think she knows what she's talking about, she left the fandom years ago, comes back for ONE convention and this is all like "yep lol the fandom will be dead after this one con ends and no cons will be coming back after corona lol" like excuse me? Lady do you even realize that this years Trotcon had completely sold out TWO hotels? The amount of online cons this year also proves that cons aren't dying and so far they all plan on returning in 2021, her failure to realize that the fandom is bigger than just Bronycon proves her ignorance. 

Also it appears later on in the video that she blames Bronies for Hasbro changing what ponies are released and how the ponies are made, which literally isn't true at all, I know that because I sat in on the Ex-Con Chair of Nightmare Nights Dallas and he said that he used to go to every single quarterly Hasbro stock meeting to hear how the franchise is doing, and he learned by sitting in on these meetings that money from Bronies only make up 2%-5% of the MLP franchise's profit. That amount is a tiny drop in the bucket because all the other money that the franchise makes comes from little girls or their parents. Bronies are essentially non-existent when it comes to the financial success of MLP. There's no way that Hasbro was making all sorts of production changes because the Bronies were demanding so, that's just fake news. 

Additionally this is the same lady who also went after Greg from Dawn Somewhere, aka that dude who made all the Rainbow Dash Presents videos back in the day, and her woke little mob of friends tear him apart because she thought that he was "misogynist" (which he wasn't, none of the "accusations" had any real evidence behind them) it was more of her just giving him the metaphorical middle finger and saying "get fucked". 

The part where she rants on and on about how much she dislikes body pillows being displayed at cons was just fucking stupid, I felt like I lost some brain cells during that segment. As long as something isn't explicitly R-rated, it's fine to hang up. Just because your not a big fan of body pillows doesn't mean that they need to banned from being sold at all cons, also a VAST majority of con attendees aren't children to begin with. While there are children at Brony cons, they are a very small minority of the amount of con attendees that show up, and again, as long as a body pillow isn't R-rated, is there really any issue with hanging them up to be sold? The reason there's so many body pillows in the first place is because the Brony community has a lot of guys in it, and guys are more likely to want a body pillow compared to girls. Body pillows are also prominent in a lot of other communities too, such as the anime community, and you'll find them at those other types of cons too. She also seems to make the assumption that every person who buys one of those pillows is gonna do something sexual to it, which isn't the case. (That might be the case for the explicit body pillows but we're just talking the SFW ones like shown in the video) Most people who would buy a body pillow would get one because they can't afford a custom plush and they just want something to snuggle with at night, it doesn't mean that every single person who buys one is some creep who wants to have sex with the pony on it. Even LittleshyFIM has a few body pillows, and he hates sexual pony stuff.  

I don't honestly care what some random person who's been gone from the fandom for quite some time thinks about us now. She chose to leave, and what she thinks honestly doesn't matter. She can say that this fandom is dead until she's blue in the fucking face, it won't change the fact that we're not dead and that we're still constantly attracting new people. Just take a look at the new members that are always making new topics in the welcoming plaza right here on the forums. While it's true that the pony fandom isn't as big or quite as influential on the outside society as it used to be, that doesn't mean that we're just dead. I think she was being clouded by her past experiences in the early days of the fandom, and coming back now after so much time I suppose I could see how she would have a very pessimistic point of view for the future of this community. Ultimately though, it doesn't matter. You'll always have the neigh-sayers like her trying to make themselves feel better by tearing down others and communities that they've effectively washed their own hands of, and that's fine, let them be mad that we still exist. Pony until the end of time! :catface:       

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32 minutes ago, King of Canterlot said:

The part where she rants on and on about how much she dislikes body pillows being displayed at cons was just fucking stupid, I felt like I lost some brain cells during that segment. As long as something isn't explicitly R-rated, it's fine to hang up. Just because your not a big fan of body pillows doesn't mean that they need to banned from being sold at all cons, also a VAST majority of con attendees aren't children to begin with. While there are children at Brony cons, they are a very small minority of the amount of con attendees that show up, and again, as long as a body pillow isn't R-rated, is there really any issue with hanging them up to be sold?

Clearly the show staff was fine enough with them to actually feature them in that Con episode as a joke

Heck, Vincent Tong(Flash Sentry) had one of Flash Sentry lol

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Also featured Peter New, Rebecca Shoichet and supposedly GM Berrow and MA Larson

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I will watch this when I get to my desktop computer. I am a fan of her work, and I really didn't like De Lancie's documentary at all at the time. I am ready for anything.

But all these body pillows, what are they doing in here?

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I was considering watching it, but after looking at various comments on various Twitter accounts (including vendors who were filmed and seemingly slandered) I'm rethinking that. Also apparently filmed various people and vendors at BronyCon without their permission. Questionable behavior in its own right.

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Hehe, this video made me a bit nostalgic..

Anyway, just watched the entire thing, I think it was a great video. One of, if not the best one yet explaining the history and life of the fandom. Lots of people seem to be in denial to admit certain things so I'm glad she addressed a lot of it. I like how she mentioned John being an ahole, I remember seeing interviews with him where he just seemed very rude and unhappy about the existence of bronies.

The only things I do not agree with her on are #1 how she claims that everyone who watched the show either were or became a furry, which seems very exaggerated unless she sees 'liking ponies' as 'being a furry' (Like, yes obviously a lot of people in the fandom do enjoy furry artwork too but at least from my view it was more like people who joined the fandom were mostly just invested in the ponies and not necessarily furries in general, I would barely even call the characters in the show furries to begin with.) And #2 the rant about nsfw bodypillows seemed kind of unnecessary to the video, felt more like she couldn't let go of a chance to squeeze in some of her personal annoyances in there. #3 a lot of bronies being sexists, racists, homophobics (the part about people trying really hard to show how non-gay it is I do agree with though!) or whatever when it was at its peak. I don't see the point of including this either as this wasn't a pony fandom specific thing, it's just what happens when a community becomes that big, it is bound to include some bad apples.

But once again, other than those things it was pretty solid.

 

3 hours ago, King of Canterlot said:

I don't honestly think she knows what she's talking about

I mean she seems pretty invested to me and I have the same view on most things she was talking about.

3 hours ago, King of Canterlot said:

we're not dead

Depends on what we're talking about here really. The whole mlp/brony phenomenon seems pretty dead to me. Selling out 2 hotels doesn't mean it's not dying. Might just have different views on what dying is. The hype is gone, the growth is gone, most presence is gone. Of course the fandom itself won't simply die off, we are not taking notice of let's say the Digimon fandom anymore but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist and that there are no new people joining it. But at least in my opinion, relative to how active a community is during its prime you can kind of make a threshold and call it "dead" once its activity is at a certain low percentage of that number.

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4 hours ago, Megas said:

Which one, the De Lancie one? I remember there being two big ones, one with De Lancie and one with Ashleigh Ball, with the latter being significantly less controversial

 

I thought you were saying Ashleigh Ball was a jerk IRL.

I had to read the post a few times to understand what you were talking about. :lie:

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2 hours ago, Jokuc said:

I mean she seems pretty invested to me

Yes, she was so invested in the community that she left the fandom years and years ago, attacked the creator of Dawn Somewhere with false accusations, and then returns to make a video that essentially shits all over certain aspects of the fandom and declared that we're dead. Yes so very fucking invested. :dry:

2 hours ago, Jokuc said:

The hype is gone, the growth is gone, most presence is gone.

So according to you, once the hype and vast rapid growth of a fandom is gone, it's dead? Really? You don't know how fandoms and communities work then buddy :laugh: By going with your "definition" the MLP fandom only lasted..... two, three years maybe? A fandom isn't shown to be alive or dead by it's overall numbers, this isn't some numbers game, what shows a fandom to be alive or dead is what it's community members do within it. Have you seen the recent fan-made animations lately? Have you been keeping up with the music? People from all across the globe are still creating pony content all across the internet. It doesn't matter if it's not the same type of stuff that was being created in 2012 or 2013, what matters is that stuff is still being made. What shows the fandom to be not dead is the very fact that websites like these forums are still around and that they still have very active user bases. Also the convention selling out two full hotels does show that the fandom isn't dead, you want to know why? Because that's more people in attendance than ever before. They've NEVER even sold out of their first hotel, let alone two, which means that the convention is growing. 

Just keep calm and pony on :catface:

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Wow she has a ton of plushies in her room lol. Nice putt putt plushie though and freddie the fish I loved those games. And banjo and kazooje however you spell that.

I also feel slightly uncomfortable at the sight of all those dakimakura. They are fine to be up but wow so many :0 also just less novel after you see that many.

I don't  think she really rants that much against them her opinion really lol. She must be alright enough with them to have in her room.

Yeah I found the vid interesting but it's mostly just her opinions lol

The physical fan fic is cool and the toys.

 

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Lol that first documentary is so weird in the way they show bronies.

And the feature about the gay thing is eh but I guess it is a genuine challenge some people face or whatever. But just seems too much.

I do think yeah it be nice to have more characters not just show ones in toys so maybe more like pokemon with collectables idk. Then again I don't even like toys ahhah. I'm not kid anymore so unless its mini figures or customs idc about owning them.

Also I think the problem with the brushable hair is that the characters didn't match the ones in the show as well in terms of styling and shape. I don't think bronies "hated" it as such? But those sorts of toys still existed too for the kids so it's not like they got rid of them. And they produced more action figures since there was a market for it. I don't think anything is wrong with having hints to bronies. 

And yeah there is dislike to the older gens but more it's just very different. There are people who are opposite who hate the current gen designs because they aren't horse enough.

The way she just tried to kill off the fandom though wow poor. 

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Apparently some Jackass Brony that was at the Con Flagged Jenny's documentary cause he was in a public place for a couple seconds in the Hour and eleven minute video. It'll now be automatically deleted in 48 hours cause of that crap. Sincere Middle finger to whoever that was. 

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7 hours ago, Buck Testa said:

Apparently some Jackass Brony that was at the Con Flagged Jenny's documentary cause he was in a public place for a couple seconds in the Hour and eleven minute video. It'll now be automatically deleted in 48 hours cause of that crap. Sincere Middle finger to whoever that was. 

Can't they just blur out that bit oof

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21 minutes ago, flurry said:

Can't they just blur out that bit oof

I imagine she could reupload it after the fact with some edit of that nature but it's still friggin annoying. That was one of her best videos and definitely the best Brony Doc I've seen and some petulant knob goes and gets her video removed because of a couple seconds of video where he was in public. Very irritating to say the least. 

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17 hours ago, King of Canterlot said:

I don't honestly think she knows what she's talking about, she left the fandom years ago, comes back for ONE convention and this is all like "yep lol the fandom will be dead after this one con ends and no cons will be coming back after corona lol" like excuse me? Lady do you even realize that this years Trotcon had completely sold out TWO hotels? The amount of online cons this year also proves that cons aren't dying and so far they all plan on returning in 2021, her failure to realize that the fandom is bigger than just Bronycon proves her ignorance. 

Also it appears later on in the video that she blames Bronies for Hasbro changing what ponies are released and how the ponies are made, which literally isn't true at all, I know that because I sat in on the Ex-Con Chair of Nightmare Nights Dallas and he said that he used to go to every single quarterly Hasbro stock meeting to hear how the franchise is doing, and he learned by sitting in on these meetings that money from Bronies only make up 2%-5% of the MLP franchise's profit. That amount is a tiny drop in the bucket because all the other money that the franchise makes comes from little girls or their parents. Bronies are essentially non-existent when it comes to the financial success of MLP. There's no way that Hasbro was making all sorts of production changes because the Bronies were demanding so, that's just fake news. 

Additionally this is the same lady who also went after Greg from Dawn Somewhere, aka that dude who made all the Rainbow Dash Presents videos back in the day, and her woke little mob of friends tear him apart because she thought that he was "misogynist" (which he wasn't, none of the "accusations" had any real evidence behind them) it was more of her just giving him the metaphorical middle finger and saying "get fucked". 

The part where she rants on and on about how much she dislikes body pillows being displayed at cons was just fucking stupid, I felt like I lost some brain cells during that segment. As long as something isn't explicitly R-rated, it's fine to hang up. Just because your not a big fan of body pillows doesn't mean that they need to banned from being sold at all cons, also a VAST majority of con attendees aren't children to begin with. While there are children at Brony cons, they are a very small minority of the amount of con attendees that show up, and again, as long as a body pillow isn't R-rated, is there really any issue with hanging them up to be sold? The reason there's so many body pillows in the first place is because the Brony community has a lot of guys in it, and guys are more likely to want a body pillow compared to girls. Body pillows are also prominent in a lot of other communities too, such as the anime community, and you'll find them at those other types of cons too. She also seems to make the assumption that every person who buys one of those pillows is gonna do something sexual to it, which isn't the case. (That might be the case for the explicit body pillows but we're just talking the SFW ones like shown in the video) Most people who would buy a body pillow would get one because they can't afford a custom plush and they just want something to snuggle with at night, it doesn't mean that every single person who buys one is some creep who wants to have sex with the pony on it. Even LittleshyFIM has a few body pillows, and he hates sexual pony stuff.  

I don't honestly care what some random person who's been gone from the fandom for quite some time thinks about us now. She chose to leave, and what she thinks honestly doesn't matter. She can say that this fandom is dead until she's blue in the fucking face, it won't change the fact that we're not dead and that we're still constantly attracting new people. Just take a look at the new members that are always making new topics in the welcoming plaza right here on the forums. While it's true that the pony fandom isn't as big or quite as influential on the outside society as it used to be, that doesn't mean that we're just dead. I think she was being clouded by her past experiences in the early days of the fandom, and coming back now after so much time I suppose I could see how she would have a very pessimistic point of view for the future of this community. Ultimately though, it doesn't matter. You'll always have the neigh-sayers like her trying to make themselves feel better by tearing down others and communities that they've effectively washed their own hands of, and that's fine, let them be mad that we still exist. Pony until the end of time! :catface:       

I don't think I've seen a post as near cult like and defensive as this in a LONG time. Rather disturbing to look at honestly. 

Starting from the first paragraph, She's talking about HER experience and opinion of the fandom. How would one not know would their own opinion is? She also didn't "leave the fandom." She's been a fan of the Broader My Little Pony Franchise nearly her whole life. Bronies have been around a fraction of the time the broader pony fandom has been. In terms of Seniority (not that I particularly care about that) she'd have the floor. I'm also noting you're going out of your way to point out that she's, ya know, a Lady, which I'm sure is completely unrelated to why you're so irritated here. 

 She pointed out that the toylines changed over the course of the shows run, and that the show itself had a lot of Brony injokes in it. That's far from "fake news" that's just what happened. The show did have a lot of brony injokes in it in later seasons, including Episode 100 which was one of the bigger instances of that. Now I enjoyed that personally more than she did, but it's perfectly fine for it not to be her tastes. I do not have such a loyalty to the show where any and all negative opinions towards an episode from a supposed "outsider" (again, been a pony fan longer than probably anyone here) who just so HAPPENS to be a "LADY" must be met with scorn. 

I do recall something to that effect happening with Greg, and if she indeed do that when she was younger then yeah that was probably wrong. I'd definitely like to hear both sides on that whole thing now that a few years have gone by. I am quite a big fan of his Mentally advanced series and I do think it ended up being funnier than Friendship is Witchcraft. Consequently I know that Greg ALSO had a TON of misgivings towards the later seasons of the show much like Jenny had. In fact he was quite critical of the direction the show went and I'm not even sure he does pony stuff anymore. Far more critical than Jenny was in this video now that I think about it. Are you going to have a multi paragraph takedown of him leaving the fandom as well? Just curious. 

She didn't rant "against" body pillows, she literally had one right there beside her. She finds the whole practice amusing. That's part of her whole sense of humor. Now she DID have a problem about depictions of Underage ponies on body pillows, and she did say that they should probably show more restraint with what they hang up when there ARE kids at the event. As you say they aren't the majority of people attending, but even if they're a tiny minority of attendees, kids are still there and the vendors should be mindful of that. That's the point she made and I honestly don't think that's an unreasonable one. As far as the sexual angle, I'm sure the truth is somewhere in the middle between yours and Jenny's opinions. Cause that's what these are, opinions. If anything she was EXCEEDINGLY generous with her treatment of this side of the fandom, cause I can point out far more damning stuff in this fandom than some silly body pillows. 

This was not a tear down video, honestly I'm not sure how anyone could watch this and come out with that conclusion. If anything this was the most positive take in a pony doc I've seen. Certainly better than that De Lancie one which, like Jenny pointed out, made Bronies look like infantalized men who cannot function in broader society and learn life lessons from a childrens cartoon, and are also REALLY scared of being called gay. She doesn't like the more Toxic segments of the fandom of course, but she expressed having a lot of fun at the cons and enjoyed the memes and stuff like the "plush based clout culture." If she tore down anything it was Gatekeeping misogyny that was (and is) present in the fandom, but that's not an indictment as a fandom as a whole just the bad actors within it.  

Also she's far from a random person. Her work is pretty baked into Early brony culture, hell you still see parodies and remixes of her songs even outside of the fandom and I still see stuff like Sweetie Bot every now and again. Ultimately, I didn't see anything in that video worth getting THAT defensive over. 

 

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18 hours ago, Splashee® said:

I will watch this when I get to my desktop computer. I am a fan of her work, and I really didn't like De Lancie's documentary at all at the time. I am ready for anything.

But all these body pillows, what are they doing in here?

Oh you know exactly why they’re all there ;)

 

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i liked the video c:

but some of her opinions didn't sit right with me, like the furry one :/ or her recording people without their permission, but I'm glad she pointed out all the bodypillows (not the biggest fan of them lol)

but yeh, she made a lot of good points and it's overall a good video about the fandom

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1 hour ago, Buck Testa said:

Rather disturbing to look at honestly.

Calling someone out on their bs isn't disturbing, it's called doing the right thing.

1 hour ago, Buck Testa said:

I do recall something to that effect happening with Greg, and if she indeed do that when she was younger then yeah that was probably wrong. I'd definitely like to hear both sides on that whole thing now that a few years have gone by. I am quite a big fan of his Mentally advanced series and I do think it ended up being funnier than Friendship is Witchcraft. Consequently I know that Greg ALSO had a TON of misgivings towards the later seasons of the show much like Jenny had. In fact he was quite critical of the direction the show went and I'm not even sure he does pony stuff anymore. Far more critical than Jenny was in this video now that I think about it. Are you going to have a multi paragraph takedown of him leaving the fandom as well? Just curious. 

Greg left the fandom on a better note than she did. Greg was also able to use his talents to get a good career outside of the fandom, buy his own home, and start his own family. What has she done? She sits around making YouTube videos slandering fandoms that she's no longer a part of on the internet. And yes, she did leave the fandom. Being a fan of the earlier gens doesn't mean that your a member of this fandom, most fans of the earlier gens actually don't consider themselves to be a part of this fandom. She's been gone from the fandom for a long time bud. 

1 hour ago, Buck Testa said:

I'm also noting you're going out of your way to point out that she's, ya know, a Lady, which I'm sure is completely unrelated to why you're so irritated here. 

Are you trying to imply that I'm being sexist or something? Cuz I'm not. I just don't want to type out her long-ass name "Jenny Nicholson" every single time I want to mention her, so I call her lady. If it was a guy who made the video I would probably just call him "some random dude". I hate to break it to you, but not everything is some vast anti-women conspiracy.

1 hour ago, Buck Testa said:

This was not a tear down video

Riiiiight because proclaiming at the end of the video that the fandom is dead and "good riddance" with that is definitely not indicative of a tear-down video. Also if you used your head you would realize throughout most of the video that it IS in fact blaming bronies for a lot of bad things. She blames them for "invading" a "majority womens space" by the fandom simply existing (like that should even matter in today's society, everyone is equal and can like what they want, there shouldn't be "safe spaces" for either of the genders), she blames bronies for "Hasbro changing out aspects of the merch"- she specifically refers to brushables being phased out and the mane 6 becoming used more often. As I ALREADY talked about, this is complete nonsense and fake news. Bronies have very little control over the decisions that Hasbro makes about it's MLP toy line because Bronies make up such a small percentage of the total amount of money that Hasbro gets from the toys. If you had actually read my post you would have understood that, but clearly you didn't. She also goes on a rant about body pillows which was unnecessary and over-opinionated and violated her supposed "I'm not going to take one side or the other" stance that she had been trying (and failing) to present during the video. Again, the ending segment of the video was the really damning thing though, blatantly saying that it's "a good thing this fandom is dead" obviously shows us that she has anti-brony views and that the whole video was essentially talking down on the fandom.   

1 hour ago, Buck Testa said:

Certainly better than that De Lancie one

If anything, this one is just as bad. Instead of presenting the fandom in an overly good-mushy light like the De Lancie one, this one is just cold and condescending. Neither are "good" documentaries on our fandom.  

Also her video looks like it's going to be taken down anyways by vendors from the vendor hall which she filmed without their permission. If she really did "have good views of the fandom" and "this video wasn't a take-down of the fandom" she would gotten a press-pass to film in the vendor hall with permission, or she should have asked the vendors whom she was filming first if it was okay for her to film. She could have done things the right way, but she didn't. Her disregard for this and her condescending tone during that segment and her statements at the end of the video makes it clear that she dislikes this fandom and has no regard for the people within it. Why you would defend someone like this is beyond me.               

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1 hour ago, King of Canterlot said:

Calling someone out on their bs isn't disturbing, it's called doing the right thing.

Pretty much why I replied in the first place so touche' lol

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Greg left the fandom on a better note than she did. Greg was also able to use his talents to get a good career outside of the fandom, buy his own home, and start his own family. What has she done? 

Grew an incredibly successful youtube channel with over 500k subscribers that had pretty much nothing to do with pony and thrives off her own persona. 
Also owns her own home last I checked. 

1 hour ago, King of Canterlot said:

Are you trying to imply that I'm being sexist or something? Cuz I'm not. I just don't want to type out her long-ass name "Jenny Nicholson" every single time I want to mention her, so I call her lady. If it was a guy who made the video I would probably just call him "some random dude". I hate to break it to you, but not everything is some vast anti-women conspiracy. 

 

Question; how many letters does the name "Jenny" have in it? Now I may be mistaken here, but I do believe it has the SAME amount of letters as the word LADY, and it doesn't come with the dreaded implications. However if you want to dance around in Plausible deniability land I'm not gonna stop ya. 
 

1 hour ago, King of Canterlot said:

If anything, this one is just as bad. Instead of presenting the fandom in an overly good-mushy light like the De Lancie one, this one is just cold and condescending. Neither are "good" documentaries on our fandom.  

Again, didn't get that read at all. She presented what she enjoyed in the fandom and what she didn't, and she leaned far more into the positive than she did in the negative. Now if you want to talk about someone with an ax to grind against the fandom I'd probably pull up someone like Lily Orchard or Drowning in Horseshoes. Now THERE was people who went right to the jugular of the darker side of this fandom. Jenny's retrospective is far kinder than either of those by a mile. Also I think you're just reading "condescending" out of her normal delivery. That's just how she talks. It's dry humor. 
 

1 hour ago, King of Canterlot said:

 Also her video looks like it's going to be taken down anyways by vendors from the vendor hall which she filmed without their permission. If she really did "have good views of the fandom" and "this video wasn't a take-down of the fandom" she would gotten a press-pass to film in the vendor hall with permission, or she should have asked the vendors whom she was filming first if it was okay for her to film. She could have done things the right way, but she didn't. Her disregard for this and her condescending tone during that segment and her statements at the end of the video makes it clear that she dislikes this fandom and has no regard for the people within it. Why you would defend someone like this is beyond me.               

She Did talk to the staff before she filmed. From the way she tells it, the rules were against non consensual pictures of Cosplayers and pictures of fanart that could be printed/replicated. It did not bar recording in that public space, as I'm sure a Youtube search for videos of Bronycon Vendors that WEREN'T touched on youtube would confirm. Nah this is someone being butthurt exploiting Youtubes already exploitable systems to lash out. 

As far as Defending goes, I mean she's her own person who can defend herself just fine, I'm just more taken aback by the vitriolic defensiveness you had towards that video. It really was NOT that bad. 

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A very well made documentary she put together; I agree with most points, but the fandom is anything but dead. It's no longer the juggernaut it once was in 2012-2016, but that doesn't mean it has vanished into obscurity. There's still plenty of amazing artists within the fandom pushing out new quality content (like Tsitra360 for example) and plenty of newcomers are a common thing to see on mlp related sites. I think what a lot of people don't understand is what the full extent of the word 'dead' really means when applying it to a community. Everyone has their own definition of what is considered "dead" but from what I've seen it's typically used to describe communities that are past its apex but still hold a sizable fan-base rather than a community that dwindled into the double/single digits.  

Treating the fandom like everyone has just gone up and left is a bit of a disingenuous and/or ignorant thing to say.

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