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As you all probably know, there is a very well funded Brony Documentary on Kickstarter that has had substantial success with its funding (Over $ 200,000 has been put into the project last time I checked). Despite all the success it has been having, we all know there will be critics toward projects that ask for donations from the public.

 

[media=]http://youtu.be/igXz_hXKUcE[/media]

 

(The brony documentary part starts at around 3:35 in the video)

 

I have listened to the points he tries to state, but for the most part I am uncertain about his description of Bronies in general. I mean sure, we don't need to have a documentary to express our appreciation toward the show, but why is people donating money to support this project seem like such a bad thing to him? It also doesn't help that he never really says anything positive about Bronies in the video even though he does believe we have the right to express our opinion. I dunno, he seems knowledgeable on certain points, but I still think he is missing something in his argument.

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Well he is an idiot, why can't people just let us enjoy the show?

 

Oh wait, their to preoccupied with "manly" stuff, such as football, WWE wrestling, Violence, getting drunk, etc.

 

Injured, mentally disabled? Let me laugh even harder.

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That is one of the best things I have ever watched

 

And he's right. These projects are stupid wastes of money and if anyone actually learned anything from watching this children's cartoon at all I would imagine they would be giving money to charities instead of stupid kickstarter documentaries designed for the sole purpose of trying to make "bronies" feel better about themselves.

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I don't see the problem with people making a documentary and others funding it. It's not that big of a deal.

 

I don't like the way he brings up how R34 wont be talked about in the documentary. Do we need to talk about R34 in it? Is there something wrong if we don't?

 

It's not necessary to have a documentary, but hey, it's not "bad" to have one.

 

 

 

I will admit that I was very disturbed by that Lyra...toy... <.<

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Awkward i love all the female character he said that everyone hated O_O

 

I'm going to far? Oh well hehe! ^_^

 

wait wait did he just call him self a brony because he can make money off of us? xD lol

 

:3 i kinda see what he means about how we shove it in peoples face... but thats just because we love it!

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He actually brings up some pretty valid points. While I am a brony with undying loyalty to the fandom, as with any fandom I am a member of, I do not go around talking constantly about it. I hadn't looked much into the documentary, but looking more at it it seems a bit unnecessary. It's like if fans of Nintendo decided to make a documentary about being a Nintendo fan.

 

His opinion does seem a bit biased against bronies, I'll admit, but not outrageously so.

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Unpopular Opinion Time

 

I personally agree with a lot of what this guy says... to an extent!

 

He says he hates how Bronies think that the world is out to get them and that they feel like they have to force everyone else into liking the show to justify them liking it. He might be on to something with that.

 

Example: I'm sorry guys but I'll say it... the Brony fandom is by far the worst fandom when it comes to opposition or "haters". One person can say they refuse to watch the show because they do not like the girly qualities. Then a few Bronies come along and send hateful messages and spam trying to get them to watch or like the show... by force!

 

I know I'm making broad generalizations, just like this guy, but this can and probably does apply to a lot of you, but THE SHOW IS NOT FOR EVERYONE! Not everyone has to like Ponies, not everyone will like Ponies.

 

Agree to disagree guys and you actually might learn to like "haters" as I have.

 

As for his opinions on the documentary itself, I also agree a bit. It is unnecessary and really helps no one but the makers of the documentary make a ton of money. Its main goal is to show people the fandom so the fandom can feel justified in what they do... why the hell can't we just do that already? We don't need to spend thousands of dollars to make a video to just wallow in our own awesomeness...

 

Not to mention the section where he questions the accuracy of the documentary. To make the fandom "look good" they are going to exclude the parts of the fandom that most people don't like such as the Lyra "Loveable" Plush or the Porn. Problem? Well that IS in fact a HUGE part of the fandom. A lot of people here probably oppose such things, while there are others (me included) that have no problem with that part of the fandom, yet it'll be excluded anyway for propaganda's sake.

 

Then again I'm saying we don't NEED it.... I'm not saying that it shouldn't exist. If the documentary helps people feel good about being part of the fandom then fine whatever. I personally don't agree with the project, but whatever, we'll have a documentary, no big deal.

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I totally get what you're saying!!! I think what the guy is really missing is that the documentary doesn't sound like it's designed to shove bronydom down everyone's throats and make them like it. Instead, I've always thought that the purpose of the documentary was to be purely informative, so that a lot more of the general public would come to both know about bronydom, and also see that most of us are not really strange, and then make the call for themselves both how they wanted to feel about bronies and MLP in general. While it's definitely true that a documentary about a fandom, especially such a young fandom, is pretty strange, bronydom has faced a lot of hurdles so far, being largely marginalized and isolated to the Internet alone, save for Hasbro's acceptance of the fandom and the few largely inaccurate reports that have been made on news outlets such as Fox concerning the fandom, so I for one do believe that an informative documentary is quite appropriate in this case, if only to correctly inform those haters who have been misinformed concerning bronydom. The other fault that this guy made is that he focused wayyyyyyy too much on the extremists and deviants within the community, acting as though they are the only ones who actually want this documentary made in order to feel better about themselves, and that's simply not true. The documentary won't touch on the deviants of the community, not because the makers are ashamed of them or want to hide them, but because they are such a small minority within the community, and so, logically, when describing the average brony, it's not really worth touching upon said deviants. As I stated earlier, I feel like the only purpose of the documentary, for most fans, is simply to inform the general public about our fandom and why we like MLP, which is frankly quite harmless and I think will only serve to clear up some rather silly but also very ignorant misconceptions about us. No harm in that. So, in conclusion, I am still 100% in support of the Brony Documentary!!!! Hope it's good!!! :)

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"Im not the one wasting money on shit that doesn't matter"

Then earlier he says he collects dolls and buys video game items. Hipocrit.

This guy is just some ignorant teenager who doesn't know what hes talking about, just ignore him.

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Example: I'm sorry guys but I'll say it... the Brony fandom is by far the worst fandom when it comes to opposition or "haters".

 

Heheh... Hehehahah... No.

 

If you've been a member of the furry fandom you understand why I laugh.

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He actually brings up some pretty valid points. While I am a brony with undying loyalty to the fandom, as with any fandom I am a member of, I do not go around talking constantly about it. I hadn't looked much into the documentary, but looking more at it it seems a bit unnecessary. It's like if fans of Nintendo decided to make a documentary about being a Nintendo fan.

 

His opinion does seem a bit biased against bronies, I'll admit, but not outrageously so.

 

I agree with this. It is unnecessary and really isn't needed, but I'm okay with it existing.

 

I too am completely loyal to the fandom, but not blindly so.

 

Like if there's a kid being picked on for being a Brony I will stand up for him and defend his right to be a Brony, but if there's a group of Bronies on the Internet spamming hate to someone who doesn't like Ponies, then I guess I'd have no choice but to turn against those Bronies to protect the non-Brony. It's those Bully Brony Extremists that make the fandom look bad, and its probably those who will be in charge of this documentary.

 

All the Lyra Plushes in the world won't ruin this fandom, but the extremism of the fandom might kill itself in the end.

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I agree with this. It is unnecessary and really isn't needed, but I'm okay with it existing.

 

I too am completely loyal to the fandom, but not blindly so.

 

Like if there's a kid being picked on for being a Brony I will stand up for him and defend his right to be a Brony, but if there's a group of Bronies on the Internet spamming hate to someone who doesn't like Ponies, then I guess I'd have no choice but to turn against those Bronies to protect the non-Brony. It's those Bully Brony Extremists that make the fandom look bad, and its probably those who will be in charge of this documentary.

 

All the Lyra Plushes in the world won't ruin this fandom, but the extremism of the fandom might kill itself in the end.

 

That's always been a worry of mine :(

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There's nothing wrong with having a fundraiser for a documentary like this. People make fundraisers for all kinds of things and this is something else people want. It's no worse than spending money on an expensive meal or something else that you don't necessarily need. Besides, this documentary isn't just for us. Hopefully it will help spread the word to the general public about who we really are, what we do, and help clear up a lot of misconceptions people have about us. The argument that we should be spending that money on charities is invalid as well. There are several brony charities out there such as Bronies For Good that are doing great things despite this fundraiser and everything else bronies are spending their money on.

 

I personally look forward to seeing this documentary, and yes, I donated.

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Heheh... Hehehahah... No.

 

If you've been a member of the furry fandom you understand why I laugh.

 

Hmm? I guess you might be right, but I have them about tied.

 

The Furry fandom and the Brony fandom are so alike (yet they swear opposition to one another, which I personally do not get). They both receive a lot of the same hatred and both are horrible at dealing with it.

 

I guess you could say the Furry fandom is slightly worse because they're hatred is more focused on the sexual parts. Bronies deal with this too, but to a lesser extent since most of their hated is still childishly placed on gender.

 

I defend both fandoms in what they do, except I disagree with how they usually handle defending themselves.

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I agree with this. It is unnecessary and really isn't needed, but I'm okay with it existing.

 

I too am completely loyal to the fandom, but not blindly so.

 

Like if there's a kid being picked on for being a Brony I will stand up for him and defend his right to be a Brony, but if there's a group of Bronies on the Internet spamming hate to someone who doesn't like Ponies, then I guess I'd have no choice but to turn against those Bronies to protect the non-Brony. It's those Bully Brony Extremists that make the fandom look bad, and its probably those who will be in charge of this documentary.

 

All the Lyra Plushes in the world won't ruin this fandom, but the extremism of the fandom might kill itself in the end.

 

Those extreme fans are always the ones that ruin it for the others.

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There's nothing wrong with having a fundraiser for a documentary like this. People make fundraisers for all kinds of things and this is something else people want. It's no worse than spending money on an expensive meal or something else that you don't necessarily need. Besides, this documentary isn't just for us. Hopefully it will help spread the word to the general public about who we really are, what we do, and help clear up a lot of misconceptions people have about us. The argument that we should be spending that money on charities is invalid as well. There are several brony charities out there such as Bronies For Good that are doing great things despite this fundraiser and everything else bronies are spending their money on.

 

I personally look forward to seeing this documentary, and yes, I donated.

 

I have the same hope, but what he discusses is that he finds this unlikely.

The Documentary if handled incorrectly (which will likely be the case) might be entirely inaccurate to help our "public image". What he states is that the documentary will likely be inaccurate to exclude everything but the shiny happy parts!

 

"Only the famous or the good looking Bronies can take part of this Documentary. If you are the ugly fat slob manchild that the public thinks we are then get out. If you like R34 Ponies or other NSFW sections of the fandom, you get out too!"

 

Maybe I'm wrong and this will actually be an accurate representation of the fandom and Bronycon.

I wouldn't put an bets on it, but it could happen!

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It's those Bully Brony Extremists that make the fandom look bad, and its probably those who will be in charge of this documentary.

 

It's not being made by bronies at all. It's being headed by John de Lancie, Lauren Faust, and Tara Strong, and produced by Michael Brockhoff of Big Focus Television, a professional production company. They've been doing their own independent research into the fandom.
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I saw this earlier, and, like some others in this thread, while I agree with some of the points he makes, his obvious bias and hypocrisy kills his credibility in my eyes. And look at that video description. Hahaha he's so zany! What a card he is!

 

Does he really think people want to watch a documentary that showcases the sickos who make and use such things as that now-infamous Lyra... thing? Those people aren't the norm. It would be like if a documentary about restaurants had a section dedicated to the random bum who touches himself while staring in the window.

 

Besides, look at all the crap that emphasizes the negative aspects: That Fox news thing, that "Teens react" thing, nearly everything like that. If the haters want to see negative press about bronies, they already have those.

 

I must say that I find it amusing how he complains about the "pandering" when he's essentially uploading a video with no other purpose than to insult people (the captions on some of those images prove my point there) and to pander to those who agree with him.

 

He complains about the BronyCon documentary, but the way he brings up those "Fuckin' Chinese girl dolls" (which I'm pretty sure are actually Japanese) that if a "Fuckin' Chinese girl dolls: The Documentary" fund started up, he'd be dumping his money in it quicker than you can say hypocrite.

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There's nothing wrong with having a fundraiser for a documentary like this. People make fundraisers for all kinds of things and this is something else people want. It's no worse than spending money on an expensive meal or something else that you don't necessarily need. Besides, this documentary isn't just for us. Hopefully it will help spread the word to the general public about who we really are, what we do, and help clear up a lot of misconceptions people have about us. The argument that we should be spending that money on charities is invalid as well. There are several brony charities out there such as Bronies For Good that are doing great things despite this fundraiser and everything else bronies are spending their money on.

 

I personally look forward to seeing this documentary, and yes, I donated.

 

It's invalid because there's already a charity...? I shouldn't have to point out why that's wrong.

 

I look forward to seeing all the people this documentary is going to change, because you know... Tons of people who don't actually care about My Little Pony are going to watch it... Face it, hardly anyone who doesn't actually watch the show is going to watch a documentary over 10 minutes long about the people who do watch it. It won't change anything. All it's doing is taking advantage of the people who care enough about the way people think to the point where they're willing to donate cash.

 

It absolutely is a waste of money where there's so many better causes that $200 grand can go to, that's a fact, but It's not my place to tell people how to spend their money so whatever.

 

I really admire Lauren Faust, but she has gone overboard with trying to convince everyone that cartoons shouldn't just be for their target audience just as much as some of her fans have. And while I agree with her, the way she's going about it is contradictory to the very values she has embedded in the show

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It's not being made by bronies at all. It's being headed by John de Lancie, Lauren Faust, and Tara Strong, and produced by Michael Brockhoff of Big Focus Television, a professional production company. They've been doing their own independent research into the fandom.

 

Alright thanks for the info. That actually gives me a little faith in this documentary then. Actually to see the VAs and Faust's input actually has me a bit exited as a fan.

Do I think it will really have any positive output other than a big celebratory HURAH for the fandom and creators? Not really.

 

Like I stated we don't need it, but its added luxury to the fandom that's nice to have.

 

People have wasted more money and worse things and there has been worse and more pointless documentaries in the past!

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Ha, watch a few people hate on the guy in the vid just because he hates on a small portion of bronies because they shove themselves into a plushie and shove the fact that they are bronies in everyone's faces.

Oh wait. That's already happening.

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I kind of agree with the guy. 200K is an awful lot of money for people to pony up (no pun intended) for a documentary.. Even though he doesn't seem to know it wasn't an idea of the "community" to make the documentary. de Lancie's friend wanted to make it and used Kickstarter for its intended purpose.

 

I don't personally push the show down anyone's throat, I treat it as a recommendation of something to watch if the person happens to be into modern cartoons. It's not a show for everyone. If someone insists they won't watch it, I don't make them, and if they don't like it, that's the end of my discussions about it with them.

 

The most hilarious thing is that this guy thinks documentaries aren't biased. They are, how can you cut down hundreds of hours of film down to ninety minutes and not give preference? Even if it isn't intentional, there is bias in everything because human beings are inherently biased. I'll pass judgement when I see it.

 

So much money to be made, though. Anyone ever hear of the Streisand effect? If people had just discussed the show on /co/ when it first came out as they would any other instead of starting trouble over it, no "bronies" would exist. But no, people freaked out and discussion of the show was banned. That just made them more eager to find channels of discussion.

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