Guest November 22, 2012 Share November 22, 2012 What exactly is the difference between the welfare state economy and the socialistic economy? Here in Denmark we have a very socialistic economy and Denmark is defined as a welfare state. I love Denmark's economy form though. High taxes but free health care, free education and high social support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khaine21x3 789 November 22, 2012 Author Share November 22, 2012 (edited) What exactly is the difference between the welfare state economy and the socialistic economy? Here in Denmark we have a very socialistic economy and Denmark is defined as a welfare state. I love Denmark's economy form though. High taxes but free health care, free education and high social support. There are different kinds of socialist theories but socialism is not welfare.The most common socialist theory would be one where workers control the means of production; bakers working in the bakery would own it and factory workers owns the factory. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4Tq4VE8eHQ Edited November 22, 2012 by khaine21x3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AegisReflector 886 November 22, 2012 Share November 22, 2012 What exactly is the difference between the welfare state economy and the socialistic economy? Here in Denmark we have a very socialistic economy and Denmark is defined as a welfare state. I love Denmark's economy form though. High taxes but free health care, free education and high social support. So with free education does that mean you don't have to pay tuition for college classes or are you just talking about the standardized school system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NostalgicPony 310 November 23, 2012 Share November 23, 2012 A laissez-faire economy where the government does not interfere with the market process. Only to promote the non-aggression axiom. No, not the modern day example of " Capitalism " that Republicans and other fiscal conservatives try to push for, that is Corporatism/Crony Capitalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pix3M 607 November 23, 2012 Share November 23, 2012 (edited) I believe in a mixed economy as all successful economies that have ever existed have been a mixed economy. But, since that's not a crystal clear option since all of your terms are poorly defined and others are loaded with assumptions. I'll just vote bondage slavery as it sounds fun Edited November 23, 2012 by Pix3M 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khaine21x3 789 November 23, 2012 Author Share November 23, 2012 I believe in a mixed economy as all successful economies that have ever existed have been a mixed economy. But, since that's not a crystal clear option since all of your terms are poorly defines, I'll just vote bondage slavery as it sounds fun Mixed economy usually falls under fascism, I assume you mean the combination of privately owned businesses and government owned corporations like china and russia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betez 1,734 November 23, 2012 Share November 23, 2012 I'm a fan of Socialism. I like everyone to have an opportunity to be successful, and that you should be taxed more depending on how much you earn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z.J.A. 136 November 23, 2012 Share November 23, 2012 Lately I have been looking into anarchism. It's been looking more and more like something I can get behind: that or socialism. I guess I just really am a bit of a radical. Eh, to each their own. (I am not up to argue these things at this point because my theory is not really strong nor opinionated yet. It's just what I am leaning towards.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pix3M 607 November 23, 2012 Share November 23, 2012 Mixed economy usually falls under fascism, I assume you mean the combination of privately owned businesses and government owned corporations like china and russia? That is not my understanding of fascism. Fascism in a really simple nutshell built on a premise of strong leadership, people literally only allowed to do stuff for greater good for their country, and trying to become as economically independent from other countries as much as possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khaine21x3 789 November 23, 2012 Author Share November 23, 2012 (edited) That is not my understanding of fascism. Fascism in a really simple nutshell built on a premise of strong leadership, people literally only allowed to do stuff for greater good for their country, and trying to become as economically independent from other countries as much as possible. Well yes and no, I actually lived under fascism and I researched other fascist economies such as nazi germany, current china.The governments are involved in creating labor intensive projects, promoting monopolies but fixing prices, subsidizing certain items to manipulate prices and consumption habit, controlling people's eating habbit and forcing them to eat healthy+exercise, promoting domestic consumption, government organizations to ensure that people are working and they also send government agents to advise businesses and farmers. China and Nazi germany created government ran research facilities and transfered technologies onto businesses as well Yea, you generally need a dictator or 1 party state to accomplish fascism. Edited November 23, 2012 by khaine21x3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pix3M 607 November 23, 2012 Share November 23, 2012 Well yes and no, I actually lived under fascism and I researched other fascist economies such as nazi germany, current china.The governments are involved in creating labor intensive projects, promoting monopolies but fixing prices, subsidizing certain items to manipulate prices and consumption habit, controlling people's eating habbit and forcing them to eat healthy+exercise, promoting domestic consumption, government organizations to ensure that people are working and they also send government agents to advise businesses and farmers. Yea, you generally need a dictator or 1 party state to accomplish fascism. Well, this video was what gave me much of my understanding of fascism, when I was in a mood to poke around with viewpoints I don't actually understand: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AegisReflector 886 November 23, 2012 Share November 23, 2012 Well yes and no, I actually lived under fascism and I researched other fascist economies such as nazi germany, current china.The governments are involved in creating labor intensive projects, promoting monopolies but fixing prices, subsidizing certain items to manipulate prices and consumption habit, controlling people's eating habbit and forcing them to eat healthy+exercise, promoting domestic consumption, government organizations to ensure that people are working and they also send government agents to advise businesses and farmers. Sorry, but if the government tells me that I need to eat a certain amount of something, or if they force me to buy from the home country, or if some shady government agent went to my business and told me that I needed to do some drastic changes because "they aren't in tune with the one-party government's views" then that's pretty much the most shittest kind of government. That's not me talking from a "Western" point of view, this is me talking about how to efficiently run a government without controlling the people's lifestyles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starshine 16,330 November 23, 2012 Share November 23, 2012 Bondage Slavery as an economic system? What sorcery is this... I prefer the Sharia economic. While it's not the most popular thing, it works quite well in my home. Nobody forced anybody to pay anything excessively, and the gathered wealth are redistributed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest November 23, 2012 Share November 23, 2012 (edited) So with free education does that mean you don't have to pay tuition for college classes or are you just talking about the standardized school system? No, all kinds of school institutions are free. I think the only thing you have to pay for yourself when you go to university is the books but you can easily afford that, as you get paid by the state to go through an education when you're over 18. Of course there's private schools that aren't free but there's not a lot of them in Denmark. Edited November 23, 2012 by SorteKanin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khaine21x3 789 November 23, 2012 Author Share November 23, 2012 (edited) Sorry, but if the government tells me that I need to eat a certain amount of something, or if they force me to buy from the home country, or if some shady government agent went to my business and told me that I needed to do some drastic changes because "they aren't in tune with the one-party government's views" then that's pretty much the most shittest kind of government. That's not me talking from a "Western" point of view, this is me talking about how to efficiently run a government without controlling the people's lifestyles. They don't point a gun at you and tell you to eat something, they just banned excessively unhealthy food and use propaganda in schools to make you eat right and exercise.I think the most successful example of this would be singapore where there is no obesity at all for people under the age of 40 and diseases are very rare. I would argue that the 3/4 of american citizen being obese cause billions of $ in medical care, national security threat and promote mass immigration of foreign able bodied men to join the military instead of using locals which changes the culture and language of the country. They promote domestic consumption by making local products cheaper so there are imports available for people who want to pay more. Governments advising businesses and farmers on what to do isn't exclusive to fascist systems but at least they're usually not forced make the changes like they would be under certain kinds of socialism. Bondage Slavery as an economic system? What sorcery is this... I prefer the Sharia economic. While it's not the most popular thing, it works quite well in my home. Nobody forced anybody to pay anything excessively, and the gathered wealth are redistributed. Slavery was the most common economic system in the world pre 1900s.Which version of sharia economic are you using over there? Edited November 23, 2012 by khaine21x3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Blithering Div 247 November 23, 2012 Share November 23, 2012 Capitalism. No Keynesian, and one shot of Friedman. The idea that the government should even have any corporate interest in its priorities is frightening at best. In other words, you want a body of power that can take your money to have corporate interest for "the good of the people"? This isn't to say that regulation doesn't have its place, but it should be in the form of consumer protection laws. I would say the EU has made headway with this but they're too busy hounding Microsoft about Internet Explorer. They killed Netscape, get over it. No word on whether or not they'll force e-tailors to accept bitcoins as valid currency. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest April 5, 2015 Share April 5, 2015 The Nordic Model we currently have in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrubbed user 3,415 April 5, 2015 Share April 5, 2015 I'm not sure which disturbs me more, bondage slavery as a poll option, or the fact that somebody actually voted for it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastel 7,627 April 5, 2015 Share April 5, 2015 (edited) They all have their flaws, the best one in my opinion would be capitalism... Edited April 5, 2015 by Blobulle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gone~ 614 April 5, 2015 Share April 5, 2015 Capitalism. Completely pure and free capitalism. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparklingSwirls 21,261 April 5, 2015 Share April 5, 2015 I like socialism; it's more equal and socialist countries have low goverment corruption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolongerabout 403 April 5, 2015 Share April 5, 2015 Feudalism is the best economic structure. Everyone loves being oppressed and exploited in an extremely unfair society, right?I mean, plenty of people voted for communism, and we all know that never works (and is basically what I just described). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackshirt Brony 415 April 5, 2015 Share April 5, 2015 Free market capitalism; not the perverted corporate statism that the US is currently engulfed in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AccountNoLongerUsed 741 April 5, 2015 Share April 5, 2015 Anti-Monopoly Capitalism. Competition drives businesses to do better. Also, no more bail outs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcyHaze 593 April 5, 2015 Share April 5, 2015 Ideally, communism would be absolutely perfect - however, humans are not an ideal race, and it simply will not work correctly. Socialism is the best political system in my mind - it allows profit, but shares it with others. However, I don't believe humans are even able for that. The ultimate state would be one which is Socialist, but chooses only certain members based on morality. How taht would be tested, I do not know, but those without regret, sympathy or empathy would not be given admission. Star Trek's federation is perfect, but that will not happen for centuries - if ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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