Furry discussion thread

[KakeiTheWolf 652]

Well, I think (and a bunch of other ponies furry too) that the CSI episode "fur and loathing" made a really bad reputation of us. I mean, yeah, there are ponies like that in the fandom, but they are the minority of minorities, which is totally different what the producers were implying in that episode. Also, some ponies see us as annoying autistic grown up stallions who "yiff" 24/7 non-stop, which is incorrect. Though, I cannot understand why some Bronies hate Furries... I've seen quite a few of them hating on furries.. but that's another story. *sigh*

 

The other half of that strange hate cycle is also true. In addition to some bronies hating furries, some furries hate bronies. Technically, it's actually a hate triangle, because both furries and bronies hate the media, and the media hates both bronies and furries. All the hate is really pointless though.

[ShinyRibbonsAndSparkles 164]

I'm sort of a furry, and I am disgusted by the whole yiff/inappropriate things in fursuits, and any of that kind of art in general. People only focus on the bad side of things, they tell others, then pretty much everyone gets the wrong impression.

[Random User 249]

"Furryism" is similar to any other fetish out there in the world.

 

The furry fandom isn't a fetish dammit. It's a fandom. :I

 

Think of it like this: Furries are to Bronies as Yiffers are to Cloppers.

[Viscra Maelstrom 3,718]

because furries are different. when something is different, media portrays the extreme end of the different as the truth, and that everyone acts like this.

 

furries have had bad reputation in media and have been portrayed as being people who are only interested in having whoopie in fursuits, solely because of the fact that a vocal minority of the fandom does. it's not interesting to hear that furries are people who enjoy the idea of anthropomorphic animals, i.e. animals with human-like features. it's far more interesting hearing them being the deviants they are believed to be in popular media. ratings before fact. same applies to the negative portrayal of bronies in media.

 

basically, what popular media portrays furries as is just as true as how they portray bronies to be like.

Edited November 29, 2020 by Viscra Maelstrom

[MallaJong1 202]

The furry fandom isn't a fetish dammit. It's a fandom. :I

 

Think of it like this: Furries are to Bronies as Yiffers are to Cloppers.

 

Furryism is definitely a fetish. Yes, there is a fandom that does not masturbate to anthropomorphic animals, but there is also a large section of the fandom that does. Once sexual pleasure enters the mix, it is now a fetish. But then, of course, it's like saying someone finds sexual pleasure in driving, does it become a fetish? Well, to the specific person that finds sexual pleasure in it, it does.

Edited July 27, 2012 by MallaJong1

[Shiki 5,853]

The cliche statement, "People hate things that they do not understand" holds true, here. I really have a minimal amount of input, because the mindset of people who hate others solely based on that person's interest, is simply baffling to me in its entirety.

[Brook 663]

I dunno, I guess it's just the same as bronies, people just don't understand or even think about it. They just hate.

[Random User 249]

Furryism is definitely a fetish. Yes, there is a fandom that does not masturbate to anthropomorphic animals, but there is also a large section of the fandom that does. Once sexual pleasure enters the mix, it is now a fetish. But then, of course, it's like saying someone finds sexual pleasure in driving, does it become a fetish? Well, to the specific person that finds sexual pleasure in it, it does.

 

So then bronies are a fetish ohohoho.

 

I see where you are coming from, but the fetish is typically called yiff, not furryism, for a reason. That's like calling clop ponyism.

[RippedOffMattress 314]

People love to jump on /b/andwagons a lot, especially if it's in a majority. I bet if people really knew who they were, they'd probably get a lot less hate than they do now.

 

I'm not saying that's the ONLY reason why they're hated, but it's a pretty big one.

Edited July 27, 2012 by RippedOffMattress

[KakeiTheWolf 652]

I will post what I posted on another thread concerning a hate against "cloppers" (I edited for this topic.)

 

"Furryism" is similar to any other fetish out there in the world. There is an inflation fetish, a choking fetish, the most globally-common hoof fetish, a leather fetish, a pony (clopping) fetish and so much more. I am sure that we find certain fetishes to be strange, but clopping is hardly a non-private action. Being a furry is finding sexual pleasure in anthropomorphic animals while S and M is finding sexual pleasure in pain. It is all put into the fetish category, and that is what makes ponies unique. Who cares? If you're not a furry, do your own thing. If you are, "please do not rub it in others' faces". And, seriously, who rubs it in others' faces? Others keep saying "I don't like them rubbing it in my face." When has there been an instance in which a furry "rubs it in your face" that the individual just masturbated to an animal? We are all ponies with a skeleton in the closet. But, in all truth, it's really about being a minority in a society that just doesn't understand. And that goes for all things. From taking extensive bike trips to taking drugs to having eight foals.

 

Hold on. This is filled with piles and piles of crap.

 

First off, being a furry is not a fetish. Furries are people who specifically envision themselves as some form of animal, usually one with anthropomorphic features, such as (but not limited to): The ability to talk, bipedal movement capability, the capacity for logical reasoning and heightened critical thinking, standard human levels of intelligence, partially human derivative figure of body, opposable thumbs, a well coordinated phalangeal system that maniests often in a combination between paws/claws and human hands, and the wearing of clothing adapted for their modified form of an anthrophomorphic figure. Also, there is no such thing as "furryism".

 

Furries do not necessarily even get sexual pleasure out of anything they do. I am a perfect example, being a pony who is not sexually excited by anything yet is a furry. Furries can be considered, as a generality, to be ponies who have found a specific way to express what they believe they are inside, detailing their inner personality. Some furries believe that they are not fully pony or not pony at all, but this usually either puts them (According to the DSM-IV) as having either classic lycanthropy (The belief you have become an animal) or SID, Species Identity Disorder (Where you do not believe you are fully an animal, and note your pony traits, but believe you should have been born as an animal (Similar to GID, Gender Identity Disorder (DSM-IV definition), which is the belief you were meant to be born as either the other binary gender or a percieved third extraneous gender on the outerliers of quasibiological definition).

 

As well, you are very incorrect as stating that S&M (And to be more precise, BDSM, as you have described) is only for sexual pleasure. BDSM (Overlapping acronym meaning Bondage and Discipline, Dominance and Submission, Sadism and Masochism) is strictly defined as the domineering attitude marked by the affinity and penchant for the infliction or observation of others in pain and the desire to feel pain upon oneself. Being a sadomasochist for 9 years, I can easily say you can be an adherent to BDSM without feeling sexual pleasure. How do I know? Because I used to do things like punch my crotch out of boredom, hit myself with heavy objects, slash parts of my body, and even put up to 60 clothespins on my face and body for all to see? And why did I do that? Because I didn't feel the pain, and I liked watching yellowbellied people get squeamish. I did it to pass time and to get reactions.

 

How ironic that you partially advocated for furries when your entire argument was built upon lies about them! Not only that, but you used so many fallacies in that one post, it is not even worth my time to sit here and count them all. Your last statement especially was a complete red herring. You go from your main point to comparing extensive bike treks, shooting up drugs, and having eight children, three things that have nothing to do with each other or the previous point. Your previous point talked about those in minorities, but those who fall under the categories of extensive bike treks, shooting up drugs, and having eight kids are not a tiny slice of the pie. Many people go on long biking trips, very many people do drugs (This is hardly anywhere near a minority, and in some countries, it is a majority.), and numerous people have multiple children (It can be noted this is highly variable between countries. In Nigeria, if you evenly divide families, you would have seven children for every mother.).

 

All in all, your post had far more wrong in it than it had right in it. And yes, I just typed out a 600+ word, 3500+ character rant!

[Silver Boulder 123]

I'm a furry myself and well it's because people don't understand what it is to be a furry.

 

It's hard to explain but the easiest way to explain a furry is this. It's a large fandom of anthropomorphic animals and fans like to make characters, stories, and etc to express their creativity through their Fursona or spirit animal in a sense

 

The problem is we are seen as sexual deviants and assume that sex is all we know and want. That's not true, yes I know there's a lot of furry related porn online but then again, there's weirder stuff like people who wanna hump their automobiles

 

People don't understand furries much like some don't understand bronies, not getting why and just assume we are messed up in the head or acting like children. It happens people judge a lot without any reason and just label anything

[KakeiTheWolf 652]

I'm a furry myself and well it's because ponies don't understand what it is to be a furry.

 

It's hard to explain but the easiest way to explain a furry is this. It's a large fandom of anthropomorphic animals and fans like to make characters, stories, and etc to express their creativity through their Fursona or spirit animal in a sense

 

The problem is we are seen as sexual deviants and assume that sex is all we know and want. That's not true, yes I know there's a lot of furry related porn online but then again, there's weirder stuff like ponies who wanna hump their automobiles

 

Ponies don't understand furries much like some don't understand bronies, not getting why and just assume we are messed up in the head or acting like foals. It happens ponies judge a lot without any reason and just label anything

 

People don't understand... pretty much anything. It's like most of the human race is allergic to IQ points.

[CapnKrunk 307]

Its probably because of what they post.I'm NOT against furries,but whenever I look up furries.90% of the pictures are sex-related.I remember American dad making fun of furries too.Heres the video.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhP_5iborkw

[SonOfTheNorthe 412]

I've seen some non-sexual furry art, and it just freaks me out. (No offense)

 

Anyways, I think people hate furries because A: They don't understand it, or B: They think all furries masturbate to half-animals and dress up in fursuits and crap. or C: They associate furries with the aforementioned characteristics. Like when a girl gets dumped, she starts hating all men because just one of them dumped her.

 

(This entire post is an uneducated opinion. Please don't hate me if I said something wrong.)

[~Lawful Jordo~ 2,064]

I'm not a furry myself, but I don't hate them.

 

As for Yiffers, yeah I can see why most would be creeped out by them, but I view them exactly how I view Cloppers.

 

They can do whatever they want as long as they keep it to themselves

[Anonymous~ 588]

Its probably because of what they post.I'm NOT against furries,but whenever I look up furries.90% of the pictures are sex-related.I remember American dad making fun of furries too.Heres the video.

 

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhP_5iborkw

 

wat wat wat wat wat wat?

 

Looks like another show has made false stereotypes about us... what a shame, I kind of liked that show, but not anymore.

[Blackcat 205]

you know what i'm sick of? People hating on sex. As beings programmed by our bodies to breed and make babies, what in the world is our issue with sex? People don't have the same kinds of sex. that's a fact. Even a furry who does enjoy yiff is not defined by yiff. Generally sex stays in the bedroom or on porn sites. I hate to beat an old horse, but if you don't like the sexual part...ignore it, don't ask about it, and if the person pushes the sexual stuff on you, then ignore them, or punch them in the face. (whichever you're able to or feel the need to do). Good people are destroyed by ridicule because some people think they're awful for their fetish. People need to get off their high horse (pony) and realize that everyone has desires, and different people fulfill those desires differently. This does not make them bad people, ignorant people, immoral people. It just means they're humans and are doing what human beings do.

In short, those cloppers and yiffers. Some of them are doctors, military men, husbands, wives, and family members. They deserve to be known for everything they've done, not just what they do with their partners.

Edited July 27, 2012 by Blackcat

[Aphelion 253]

Well, to be honest, all the furries I've met face to face were into furry rule 34... Most of them hit on me too, all guys. e.e;

 

Nothing against furries, it's just they left a horrid taste in my mouth that's going to take more than toothpaste to get out.

[MallaJong1 202]

Hold on. This is filled with piles and piles of crap.

 

First off, being a furry is not a fetish. Furries are people who specifically envision themselves as some form of animal, usually one with anthropomorphic features, such as (but not limited to): The ability to talk, bipedal movement capability, the capacity for logical reasoning and heightened critical thinking, standard human levels of intelligence, partially human derivative figure of body, opposable thumbs, a well coordinated phalangeal system that maniests often in a combination between paws/claws and human hands, and the wearing of clothing adapted for their modified form of an anthrophomorphic figure. Also, there is no such thing as "furryism".

 

Furries do not necessarily even get sexual pleasure out of anything they do. I am a perfect example, being a pony who is not sexually excited by anything yet is a furry. Furries can be considered, as a generality, to be ponies who have found a specific way to express what they believe they are inside, detailing their inner personality. Some furries believe that they are not fully pony or not pony at all, but this usually either puts them (According to the DSM-IV) as having either classic lycanthropy (The belief you have become an animal) or SID, Species Identity Disorder (Where you do not believe you are fully an animal, and note your pony traits, but believe you should have been born as an animal (Similar to GID, Gender Identity Disorder (DSM-IV definition), which is the belief you were meant to be born as either the other binary gender or a percieved third extraneous gender on the outerliers of quasibiological definition).

 

As well, you are very incorrect as stating that S&M (And to be more precise, BDSM, as you have described) is only for sexual pleasure. BDSM (Overlapping acronym meaning Bondage and Discipline, Dominance and Submission, Sadism and Masochism) is strictly defined as the domineering attitude marked by the affinity and penchant for the infliction or observation of others in pain and the desire to feel pain upon oneself. Being a sadomasochist for 9 years, I can easily say you can be an adherent to BDSM without feeling sexual pleasure. How do I know? Because I used to do things like punch my crotch out of boredom, hit myself with heavy objects, slash parts of my body, and even put up to 60 clothespins on my face and body for all to see? And why did I do that? Because I didn't feel the pain, and I liked watching yellowbellied people get squeamish. I did it to pass time and to get reactions.

 

How ironic that you partially advocated for furries when your entire argument was built upon lies about them! Not only that, but you used so many fallacies in that one post, it is not even worth my time to sit here and count them all. Your last statement especially was a complete red herring. You go from your main point to comparing extensive bike treks, shooting up drugs, and having eight children, three things that have nothing to do with each other or the previous point. Your previous point talked about those in minorities, but those who fall under the categories of extensive bike treks, shooting up drugs, and having eight kids are not a tiny slice of the pie. Many people go on long biking trips, very many people do drugs (This is hardly anywhere near a minority, and in some countries, it is a majority.), and numerous people have multiple children (It can be noted this is highly variable between countries. In Nigeria, if you evenly divide families, you would have seven children for every mother.).

 

All in all, your post had far more wrong in it than it had right in it. And yes, I just typed out a 600+ word, 3500+ character rant!

 

It is so hilarious that you've become worked up over my post. You seem to have COMPLETELY misunderstood my last post. And I'll just summarize your simple misunderstandings because, well, I just do not particularly want to go on a rant.

 

Shall we begin?

 

Point One: Thanks for describing a furry, but "Furryism" is a term I used for EVERYONE to understand what I meant when defining a specific interest/fetish. Not everyone knows what "yiff" is and I wouldn't define the term "furries" as "it's a fetish".

 

Point Two: You wrote "Furries do not necessarily get sexual pleasure out of anything they do." So I guess you speak for ALL furries and spout this nonsense? I guess everything you say MUST be correct, because there are NO furries that experience sexual pleasure from such fantasies.

 

Point Three: I never wrote "Sadomasochism is ONLY for sexual pleasure." I merely stated that S and M is for finding sexual pleasure in pain. A generalization that can be supported by Marquis de Sade and communities of sadomasochists across the globe. Yes, there are sadomasochists that do not find sexual pleasure in pain, but it seems by behavioristic psychological standards, one does something based on incentive, and most often it comes down to some kind of pleasure. Just like how you'd find pleasure in watching others become "squeamish".

 

Point Four: Last but not least, I did not even remotely mention that taking extensive bike trips, taking drugs or having eight children should be categorized into a minority. I wrote "And that goes for ALL things" - therefore including majorities and all types of activities. There are definitely people who do not understand others taking extensive bike trips (as who has done an extensive bike trip, I find others astonished and taken aback by my love for the sport). There are also those who just do not understand and patronize others for taking drugs, and the same goes for having eight children (Octomom, anyone?)

 

Well, I might have just ranted. It's fine, though. I'll have fun with you, if you would like to continue.

Edited July 27, 2012 by MallaJong1

[KakeiTheWolf 652]

It is so hilarious that you've become worked up over my post. You seem to have COMPLETELY misunderstood my last post. And I'll just summarize your simple misunderstandings because, well, I just do not particularly want to go on a rant.

 

Shall we begin?

 

Point One: Thanks for describing a furry, but "Furryism" is a term I used for EVERYPONY to understand what I meant when defining a specific interest/fetish. Not everypony knows what "yiff"and I wouldn't say "furries are a fetish".

 

Point Two: You wrote "Furries do not necessarily get sexual pleasure out of anything they do." So I guess you speak for ALL furries and spout this nonsense? I guess everything you say MUST be correct, because there are NO furries that experience sexual pleasure from such fantasies.

 

Point Three: I never wrote "Sadomasochism is ONLY for sexual pleasure." I merely stated that S and M is for finding sexual pleasure in pain. A generalization that can be supported by Marquis de Sade and communities of sadomasochists across the globe. Yes, there are sadomasochists that do not find sexual pleasure in pain, but it seems by behavioristic psychological standards, one does something based on incentive, and most often it comes down to some kind of pleasure. Just like how you'd find pleasure in watching others become "squeamish".

 

Point Four: Last but not least, I did not even remotely mention that taking extensive bike trips, taking drugs or having eight foals should be categorized into a minority. I wrote "And that goes for ALL things" - therefore including majorities and all types of activities. There are definitely ponies who do not understand others taking extensive bike trips (as who has done an extensive bike trip, I find others astonished and taken aback by my love for the sport). There are also those who just do not understand and patronize others for taking drugs, and the same goes for having eight foals (Octomom, anypony?)

 

Well, I might have just ranted. It's fine, though. I'll have fun with you, if you would like to continue.

 

Now, ordinarily, I'd continue these lines of rants. But I won't. I'll point out the easy to find stuff.

 

Part 1: You actually verbatim stated furries are a fetish in your original post. Other than that indicating you are backpedalling, it shows you used the term furries in the wrong sense (Furries are human beings. Human beings cannot be a fetish in and of themselves. Fetishes are specific behaviours or objects).

 

2: This relies heavily on the following fallacies: Poisoning the well, Fallacy of division, and Fallacy of Composition (These three also are what most points you have made are based on).

 

3: This is based almost solely on black swan blindness.

 

4: Backpedalling, again. As well, more use of the Fallacy of Composition. Additionally, you used "patronize" where you should have said "condescend". And for the record, there was a woman in the 1970s who was carrying quindecaplets. Fifteen children. You hear NOTHING about her.

[Cupcake Ice Cream 436]

I am a furry...I guess perhaps it is because people don't understand the group...and what people don't understand is bad sometimes...well to them anyway

[spaghettinoodles 297]

People are ignorant and think being a furry is always a fetish. It's like non-bronies who think every brony is a clopper. I'm not a furry, btw.

[Rainycakes 30]

When I think of furries, the first thing the word conjures up are the fetishists, which I just can't fathom why anyone would go to the extremes that they do. A long, long time ago I used to roleplay an equine on Furcadia. I loved it. She was an arabian mare who ran away from home to find her place in this medieval anthropomorphic world. Sex was never involved. We were "furres" (that's furres not furries) and it was a great online community.

 

Sometime later, my friends and I were driving in my car and they suddenly started talking about this guy we knew. "He's a furry." one of them said.

 

I suddenly burst out, "Oh, I'm a furry, too!" Because I'm thinking of my equine roleplaying.

 

Then my friends burst into laughter. One of them says, "No, no you're not."

 

"Well, I roleplay a little equine girl on Furcadia."

 

Then she decided to correct me. "Furries are people who wear animal costumes and have sex with each other while wearing them."

 

I was speechless. And pretty clueless, apparently. I shut up at that point, but my friends seemed determined to fill me in on "Furries" and all the quirks, fetishes, and personal behaviors associated with them. Low and behold, the furry internet was conjured at my house later by my friends.... Okay. I honestly had no idea any of that existed.

 

I do think most furries get a bad rap and I certainly don't hate them! Furry roleplaying is just another means of release from the pressures of the real world, just like D&D, playing ponies, fanfiction/fanart, gaming, etc... But I can't help what I've heard and seen, and now "fetish" is the first thing my brain conjures up when the word furry is mentioned.

 

Doesn't mean I don't like anthro stuff, though; just so long as it's tasteful.

 

Enjoy some select pieces of anthro art.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[MVC NVMXD JVRXD 2,406]

I dont hate furries, I just hate cloppers. They take an innocent little kids show that is supposed to be viewed with the innocence of a child and they warp it into something evil and dirty.

 

It's best not to really say that at all. It's not really related to the discussion at all, plus you are potentially offending some of the cloppers that frequent these forums.

And I think people hate furries because they like a "different" thing. Many people find anthro-stuff weird, so the people who like it are viewed as "freaks" to the people who don't understand what they really are.

[Samurshy 708]

It's best not to really say that at all. It's not really related to the discussion at all, plus you are potentially offending some of the cloppers that frequent these forums.

And I think people hate furries because they like a "different" thing. Many people find anthro-stuff weird, so the people who like it are viewed as "freaks" to the people who don't understand what they really are.

 

The way I see it, cloppers and furries go hand in hand. The only difference is that furries mostly deal with anthropomorphic erotica. And honestly I dont really care if I offend cloppers I will voice my opinion because it is my right to voice it. Edited July 27, 2012 by Bronynonymous