Your thoughts on the Feminspire Blog & MLP's Values?

[Syrchalis 40]

I don't quite get why you are so upset about the direction that this show goes. Even if all the accusations are right and MLP and the movie lost all of the pro-feminist parts that Lauren wanted so badly... . What can you do? You are only getting yourself upset.

 

It is indeed a tragedy if it goes back to the dumb stereotypical show that we have all over the place, but you cannot change it, can you?

[Sketchi Inktip Quillwing 97]

I.

 

Just.

 

Its one site, ONE SITE. Its not that hard to ignore it.

 

Why are you questioning yourself being a Brony over some group of idiots' opinions? Its YOUR choice to be a Brony or not, not theirs.

(Not insulting feminists, not insulting women at all, not even close. just sating that those people are idiots, and therefore shouldn't let them decide for you)

[Hemlock_Conium 46]

I reaaaaaally don't like the look of Equestria Girls. You know why?

 

TWILIGHT'S WAIST IS NARROWER THAN HER HEAD. Every mane cast member shares the SAME body type, height, and outfit structure. (Dress, legwarmer shoes, 'pony-tail' hair)

[duidamasterXD 9,626]

@@Commander_PonyShep,

 

Hello there. The thread that you made earlier was still essentially related to discussing this article, so it has been merged with another thread that you made earlier for that purpose. 

[Batbrony 15,994]

 

 

@@mycarhasaMoustache, @, Both of you are factually wrong.

 

This feminist blog, as far as Equestria Girls is concerned, is extremely correct in her opinions and backs them up. From a conceptual standpoint, Equestria Girls is extremely anti-feminist, and that's not good because it goes against everything Friendship Is Magic stands for. How is it anti-feminist?

1. It sticks Twilight Sparkle and "copies" of the Mane Six in a high school setting, a common cliché in family-friendly entertainment, with no honest-to-God effort to connect it to Friendship Is Magic. Unlike several Friendship Is Magic episodes (which use the plot willingly to critique these clichéd concepts), Equestria Girls attaches high school as its central setting.
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5. The production of the movie has sucked from the ground up on all parties. Both Hasbro and DHX are equally at fault here, not one or the other. Each concept art that was leaked to the public occurred so early and so quickly for several months, indicating poor security on Hasbro's behalf and sending messages to people that this movie has no quality control. When this disgustingly sexist piece of concept art was revealed, Equestria Daily's commenting board exploded in a fury. This movie had undergone several serious changes since the beginning, particularly the bad character design, when both Hasbro and DHX should've communicated and agreed to a design concept during the sketching and researching stages of the movie. The prototype dolls, for one, indicate the scary, sexist culture that American society still instills into girls from ages two and up. And those dolls enforce the editorial's argument (and also really piss off Faust).
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9. This is a completely new franchise designed to attract adolescent girls (ages ten to fourteen), but Hasbro slaps the MLP:FIM logo on the front in order to attract those who've followed the main generation since its inception in 2010. A spinoff doesn't excuse Hasbro or DHX from straying so far away from the roots of this generation. You can make the characters in character however you want or how the beginning of the movie shows Twilight in Equestria. But they're not enough. The feel of FIM, from the concept to its setting, must match the main series. The atmosphere and mission statement from Friendship Is Magic must coexist with Equestria Girls. The info-dump of the trailer, plot summary, and poor development of this movie proves how EQG is FIM's antithesis, and that's a really bad thing.
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Friendship Is Magic, on the other hand, is blatantly pro-feminist, because it doesn't stick to the norms of "kid-friendly" TV that plagues current-generation entertainment.

1. Its central setting isn't a school and is a town. Part of what makes this animation so successful is how its main purpose is to provide plots to characters without having to stick to the stereotypical ideals of girl-centric TV. But when they did, Friendship Is Magic spun them in the other direction the minute you see a preview, editorial, or review. For example, Twilight being relocated from her school to Ponyville is an underlying criticism of this stereotypical setting. There were other great concepts that were supposed to break away more like Princess Celestia being Queen Celestia, but Hasbro rejected that one because of the perception that little girls won't buy a fictional, benevolent, off-white, queen pony unless the word "princess" is plastered on the package.
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5. The characters are individual, independent, and break away from the tropes in common family-friendly fiction. Sleepless in Ponyville, for example, jabbed at the "common-trope" part when Rainbow Dash cut off Scootaloo's overly sappy campfire story before she could finish it. Each character shares an occupation or activity that both mares and stallions can perform successfully if given the scripted assignment to.
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9. As a whole, it sends a message to families that kids, especially young girls, can enjoy quality entertainment without resorting to girly stereotypes. G1's MLP Tales, G3, and G3.5 resorted to girly stereotypes that ransacked founder Bonnie Zacherle's vision of creating a franchise accessible to people of all ages and alienated plenty of the original G1's audience. If FIM didn't air and push the concept to its fullest potential, the franchise might've died.
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Faust herself, who laid the foundation for FIM before she resigned from being fully invested halfway into season two, is a feminist; and she's very blunt about it in her character design, interviews, and mission statement for quality family-friendly entertainment. Shows she helped work on — Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends and The Powerpuff Girls — are known to deviate away from the norms of traditional family-friendly TV and criticize both anti-feminist and sexist values of female characters. In TPPG, Sara Bellum, Sedusa, and Femme Fetale have exaggerated hourglass bodies to criticize the "perfect doll" culture that so many companies and commercials exploit in Western society to sell.

 

And the girls don't buy the toys alone nor always see the TV shows or movies without parent consent. The prototype dolls, for example, target young adults, but their parents buy them. The movie tries to get the kids excited, but the parents and/or guardians hold the income and determine whether it's appropriate for their kids to see EQG or not.

 

 

 

As an added addendum to that fantastically written post, I'd just like to say that one of the biggest shames of Hollywood time and again repressing the type of feminism that Faust tries to display is that it leaves only room for radical/socialist feminism to be the only feminism ever displayed in film or television, and usually in a stereotypical role itself.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but based on what I've seen of Faust's past and present work, she strikes me as largely a traditional feminist in the sense that she's trying to represent female characters as strong, independent, and autonomous, but also valuable and beloved members of a family and community who are very aware of and accept their role in said families/community.  Radical/socialist feminists (those are two sociologically distinctive types of feminists, just to clarify), on the other hand, generally see the destruction of traditional familial/communal units as well as the traditional female roles themselves as ideal towards liberating women.

 

As a conservative, I generally line up with the traditional feminism that I see displayed in Faust's work much more; unfortunately, since Hollywood LOVES to feed off of stereotypes and extremes, they generally insist on repressing Faust's brand of feminism (which in my experience is also the type of feminism that most women, liberal or conservative, seem to embrace the most) in favor of portraying radical/socialist feminism in often a stereotypical manner (i.e. the feminist is a grungy, badly dressed, unattractive social deviant who's angry, over-the-top, and generally doesn't get along with anyone).  This is why I found MLP to be such a breath of fresh air, because it found that happy medium in its portrayal of women that continues to elude the majority of Hollywood; it doesn't have to portray female characters as either bumbling, over-sexualized idiots nor does it portray them as angry, overly independent and unattractive characters who don't want anything to do with their community or families.  Instead, it portrays all of its characters, male or female, as generally strong and independent but also proud members of their families and communities who want to do all they can to benefit their families/communities.  This is a very healthy feminist message, especially for younger girls, and it is one of the many reasons that I have always loved MLP and also one of the many reasons that I'm worried about Equestria Girls.  While I don't think the movie is going to destroy the feel of the show, it still looks like it's going to be extremely generic and stereotypical, and thus I think you were very accurate in labeling it as the anti-thesis to MLP.  Still, no matter how it turns out, as long as it does not interfere with Season 4 in any way whatsoever, I couldn't care less about it.

Edited May 29, 2013 by Batbrony

[Fhaolan 4,468]

I don't like EqG much either, but I have to take issue with two of your points.

 

 

It sticks Twilight Sparkle and "copies" of the Mane Six in a high school setting, a common cliché in family-friendly entertainment, with no honest-to-God effort to connect it to Friendship Is Magic. Unlike several Friendship Is Magic episodes (which use the plot willingly to critique these clichéd concepts), Equestria Girls attaches high school as its central setting.

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Connecting this point to the feminist blog implies that high-school as a concept is inherently anti-feminist and sexist, which is a weird place to go. Unless you really mean that only boys should go to school, I think this point may need re-phrasing or pulling it out of this specific debate.

 

Personally I think the stock high-school setting is inappropriate for the characters, as it reduces their agency by lowering their apparent maturity. This is one of the big reasons I dislike the idea. But I wouldn't call it sexist or anti-feminist.

 

 When this disgustingly sexist piece of concept art was revealed, Equestria Daily's commenting board exploded in a fury.

 

I don't get how this image is sexist? It's *bad*, yes, but mainly due to the character art being inconsistent and looking very cut-and-pasty. The humanized Twilight in the mirror is a different art style than the anthro Twilight below, and neither match the humanized Twilight character that shows up in the trailer beyond just clothing choices. This demonstrates a serious disconnect between Hasbro's marketing department and DHX's production, and the lack of quality control taking place. But I don't get how it's inherently sexist.

Edited May 29, 2013 by Fhaolan

[Mzukiller 233]

<p>Aaaand it's come to the point where my hate of Equestria Girls is in officially the minority seen as Status Quo loving man children that can't handle change. Great. Perfect.</p>

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<p>Also, why are you letting her opinions affect your bronyness? You just watch the show, you're not part of some radical movement.</p>

Edited May 30, 2013 by Mzukiller

[Commander_PonyShep 349]

Remember that feminist blog about Equestria Girls' sexist message?  I had a talk with the blog writer about Princess Twilight and the way she criticized it as well as Equestria Girls.  She still had the most trouble with Equestria Girls, because rather than promote freedom and equality like the MLP show itself, its trailer instead promoted sexuality through fashion, make-up, and skinniness.  She did hold out hope for the film, though, because she hoped that its message remained true to the show, namely that it doesn't matter if Twilight's friends are humans or ponies, so long as she remains friends with them, no matter what.

 

However, with Princess Twilight, she had this to say:

 

I never claimed that Twilight as a princess was sexist drivel, nor did I imply that it emphasized prettiness and tea-parties. (I did mention that about the 80s cartoon for that, though.) Actually, what I said was that I didn't understand why she needed to become a princess in order to attain a higher status, gain respect, or grow as a character. It felt out of place to me when I figured she would become her generation's Starswirl the Bearded. I see how they worked it into the show, but it honestly just struck me as Hasbro saying "We want to push more toys! Make Twilight a princess!" Since they started pushing the royal themes with the Royal wedding and Crystal ponies, they probably saw a spike in their toy profit as well. I can see the merits in her gaining leadership through her hard work, but she is still young and has lessons she can learn. It makes me question the reasoning behind it, as it seems uncharacteristic of the rest of the show. 

 

Going back to the idea that little girls shouldn't necessarily be taught to aspire to become princesses. They should be taught that hard work and good character will be rewarded, but it felt as though Twilight becoming a princess was a huge payoff in a very short time. That's quite lucky and unrealistic by normal standards, which is something the media tends to do quite a bit unfortunately. By doing that, we set unreasonably high standards for ourselves without even realizing. Studies have been conducted that show movies and tv skew our perception of reality. Already with the 'rags to riches' rom-coms, we set have the expectation that someone can do a little hard work and then be handed the job of their dream. While MLP tends to be a well-rounded and wholesome show, it concerns me that they chose that route.

Technically, she had no problem with the concept of Princess Twilight; it wasn't sexist drivel after all, but rather a sign of Twilight's growth and development as a character.  What she did have a problem with, though, was the fact that it came too early, and that Twilight didn't do much to earn her position.  Based on what she said, I bet that Princess Twilight was the writers' idea after all; it's just that they planned to save it for the series finale, but Hasbro told them to introduce Princess Twilight too early into the show to promote new toys.

 

I did mention Twilight Sparkle and The Crystal Heart Spell, and she was pretty glad that its moral was that true leadership is treating subjects like friends, rather than just subjects.

[~StatesTheOblivious~ 1,794]

What can I say? I agree with her. That's all. A rushed,and way too early change. It doesn't matter if it was Hasbro's idea or not. And now we have a situation that is not as explanatory as the rest of the show.

[Crispy 5,563]

And now we have a situation that is not as explanatory as the rest of the show.

 

The only real problem there is (in my opinion) is that they did this for a season finally.

 

I'm sure we all remember this being said.  If they'd have had this three parter in one season, the entire blowup wouldn't have happened.

[Commander_PonyShep 349]

What can I say? I agree with her. That's all. A rushed,and way too early change. It doesn't matter if it was Hasbro's idea or not. And now we have a situation that is not as explanatory as the rest of the show.

But look on the bright side.  There was still Twilight Sparkle and The Crystal Heart Spell.  Despite it being a book for little girls, it did a nice job explaining Twilight's new life as an alicorn princess.  She stayed behind in Ponyville, still had a long way to go before attaining full leadership, and learned that as leader, she has to treat her friends as equals first, subjects second.

 

Yes, there won't be any way it'll be considered canon.  But even then, this is the closest thing we have to an MLP episode, aside from the comics alone, to help carry us through the pony drought until Season Four comes out.

[mycarhasaMoustache 449]

IT    IS     JUST    A   CARTOON !!! of course they wont look like actual humans no cartoon dose. Being a princess in Equestria is not the same as being one here on Earth, A princess in Equestria is a very important leadership roll and a very hands on job. If people just stopped looking at everything negatively.

 

You could look at it like this Twilight becoming a princess will inspire little girls to follow there dreams and through study and hard work you will always be successful.

 

Here is my most important point Not 1 little girl will sit and watch Equestria girls and say "I am inspired to work hard in life blah blah blah"

What they will say is "That was really cool" then they will go home and play with toys or what ever children do. No child will look deep enough to see the morals in this and will just see it for what it is. A cartoon.

[Dark Qiviut 22,160]

@@mycarhasaMoustache, You severely undermine @@Commander_PonyShep's post and the blogger's impression of the Twilicorn.

 

Magical Mystery Cure factually came off as rushed. Information that should've been spread out into two episodes are cramped into one twenty-minute episode. Combined with Twilight still having so much growing up to do, it's an extremely implausible reward. If she were to be rewarded, then there had to be much more foreshadowing and smoother pacing in MMC to genuinely show to audiences that the Twilicorn transformation made genuine sense.

 

Magical Mystery Cure's Twilicorn transformation easily came off as a push for the Pony Princess toy products that were eventually released in April just by how rushed and compact everything transpired. If it was handled as well as it should've been, then the Twilicorn controversy would've been over by now.

[Verily British 144]

We should simply sit back and relax whilst we all await the release of season four and Equestria Girls only then would we actually have a right to complain about Twilicorn or EqG. Although I do agree that the season three finale was a bit rushed, but what can we do about it now? Let's just stop arguing over events that have come to pass and those that haven't and enjoy the quite before the storm (if you think that EqG's will be a big failure), but I'd like to think that will be no storm.

 

So can we all stop worrying about EqG's and Twilicorn, what is it that bronies say to sceptics and haters? 'You can't judge something that you haven't seen yet' Well we should try and follow our own sayings, and if that isn't one of our sayings then I think that it should be.

[mycarhasaMoustache 449]

@@mycarhasaMoustache, You severely undermine @@Commander_PonyShep's post and the blogger's impression of the Twilicorn.

 

Magical Mystery Cure factually came off as rushed. Information that should've been spread out into two episodes are cramped into one twenty-minute episode. Combined with Twilight still having so much growing up to do, it's an extremely implausible reward. If she were to be rewarded, then there had to be much more foreshadowing and smoother pacing in MMC to genuinely show to audiences that the Twilicorn transformation made genuine sense.

 

Magical Mystery Cure's Twilicorn transformation easily came off as a push for the Pony Princess toy products that were eventually released in April just by how rushed and compact everything transpired. If it was handled as well as it should've been, then the Twilicorn controversy would've been over by now.

You know what it is I just want people to stop being so negative about everything and shoving your negativity down everyones throat constantly. You are over analysing everything and looking way to deep into every little thing Why is this fandom so fucking miserable and negative all the time. You have made your point you think Equestria girls is sexist What ever that is your opinion.

 IMO I dont think its sexist I just think its a cartoon and nothing more because that is exactly what it fucking is. 

[Dark Qiviut 22,160]

Connecting this point to the feminist blog implies that high-school as a concept is inherently anti-feminist and sexist, which is a weird place to go. Unless you really mean that only boys should go to school, I think this point may need re-phrasing or pulling it out of this specific debate.

 

Personally I think the stock high-school setting is inappropriate for the characters, as it reduces their agency by lowering their apparent maturity. This is one of the big reasons I dislike the idea. But I wouldn't call it sexist or anti-feminist.

 Nope, I wrote it that way and meant it one hundred percent. The high school setting is anti-feminist conceptually because it doesn't fit the core of Friendship Is Magic, which intends to deviate away from central settings similar to this. There are so many family-friendly and "kid-friendly" shows, especially those where they're girl-centric, and movies centered around high school with nothing to genuinely differentiate, and that clogs up the airwaves. Faust helped conceptualize Friendship Is Magic to stand out and actually send families with girls a message that fresh, high-quality media exists.

 

The lone part I didn't write is how the setting is sexist. That I disagree with fully. If one of those concepts was revealed in the trailer, then I would rip it as sexist, but that's a stretch, as the official character designs are poor but passable and don't use sex appeal to sell to young adults.

 

For the setting inappropriate for the characters, especially Twilight, that I agree fully. The characters are developing like teens, but are independent with gender-neutral occupations. They can take care of themselves and don't have revealed ages to unite demographics. If Twilight was sent to an alternate dimension and had to settle in a town equivalent to Ponyville and act as independently as her friends from the alternate dimension, then that I can live by.

 

I don't get how this image is sexist? It's *bad*, yes, but mainly due to the character art being inconsistent and looking very cut-and-pasty. The humanized Twilight in the mirror is a different art style than the anthro Twilight below, and neither match the humanized Twilight character that shows up in the trailer beyond just clothing choices. This demonstrates a serious disconnect between Hasbro's marketing department and DHX's production, and the lack of quality control taking place. But I don't get how it's inherently sexist.

…That image I link to you is inherently sexist because it implies that the only way for an adolescent girl to feel and look good about herself is to showcase a scarily thin body with poor makeup. The anatomy consists of the model-like hourglass torso that many girls at that age are known to try to replicate. It's trying to attract the audience of Monster High by utilizing an extremely dangerous form of sex appeal.

Edited May 30, 2013 by Dark Qiviut

[Fhaolan 4,468]

 Nope, I wrote it that way and meant it one hundred percent. The high school setting is anti-feminist conceptually because it doesn't fit the core of Friendship Is Magic, which intends to deviate away from central settings similar to this. There are so many family-friendly and "kid-friendly" shows, especially those where they're girl-centric, and movies centered around high school with nothing to genuinely differentiate, and that clogs up the airwaves. Faust helped conceptualize Friendship Is Magic to stand out and actually send families with girls a message that fresh, high-quality media exists.

 

 

I'm trying to follow that logic, and I think I'm getting bogged down somewhere. I'm parsing two different things out of that and I'm not sure which one you mean:

 

Equestria Girls has a stock setting, which is different from Friendship is Magic. As FiM uses it's non-stock setting to differentiate itself from anti-feminist shows, it's feminist message has become intrinsic to the setting itself and deviation from this swings everything back to anti-feminist. Basically, the medium has become the message. 

 

*or*

 

High school as a setting is anti-feminist, due to the high number of shows that use (or have used) the high school setting that are demonstrably anti-feminist. Therefore no show set in high school can ever *not* be anti-feminist. Basically, the 'tainted fruit' scenario.

 

I disagree with most of that. I don't believe High School as a setting is inherently anti-feminist, I don't think that a MLP show that has a different setting than Equestria is inherently anti-feminist, I don't believe that the taint of anti-feminist shows automatically carry over to other shows with the same setting, and I don't believe MLP's setting sufficiently differentiates it from anti-feminist shows to be a factor (Mainly because the setting gives off a pretty strong Dungeons & Dragons vibe, which has a long history of anti-feminism and sexism. Admittedly through large swaths of borrowed material from genre sources, and an unfortunately rabid fandom... .... yeah, I just noticed the parallel there. For some reason I'd missed that one until now. But still.)

 

Anti-feminism has more to do with the actions of the characters, and the story being told, than the setting itself. There are settings that are inherently anti-feministic, but High School is not one of them. In other words it is well within a writer's ability to have a show set in High School that is not anti-feminist. For example.... okay this becomes inconsistent in later seasons, but *early* Buffy the Vampire Slayer seasons are distinctly feminist while still being set in High School. There's some weirdness in the later seasons with Buffy's various boyfriends I'll admit, but overall it's pretty good as an example.

 

 

…That image I link to you is inherently sexist because it implies that the only way for an adolescent girl to feel and look good about herself is to showcase a scarily thin body with poor makeup. The anatomy consists of the model-like hourglass torso that many girls at that age are known to try to replicate. It's trying to attract the audience of Monster High by utilizing an extremely dangerous form of sex appeal.

 

Unfortunately the hourglass torso is a standard design feature present even in the works of feminist icons like Lauren Faust. Take her Galaxy Girl animations for example. Each of those characters have identical figures following the same bad esthetic. Plus there are several characters in Power Puff Girls with even more ridiculously exaggerated features. While Lauren has said that those specific designs (the PPG ones) were meant as parody the intended audience had no way of knowing that, so the parody fell flat and contributed to the problem. She has also said she wishes to redesign the GG characters, hopefully fixing this issue. However, until she does her work has to stand on it's own.

 

I will agree however that there should have been a variety of shapes for the characters, rather than a single stock body. (The poor makeup comment is odd, though. Do you mean that girls should always be presented with characters who spend a great deal of time and energy to produce 'good' makeup? That seems anti-feminist to me.  )

[Guest]

Aren't you overthinking this a bit? Why don't you just take the show for what it is and appreciate it without being bogged down in everyone else's bullshit?

[Dr. Love 88]

While I hate the idea of Equestria Girls, I do NOT side with any feminist view on the subject, feminism these days is just a bunch of self centered hags complaining about how media is "misogynistic" towards women, I even strongly disagree with Lauren Faust on all of her feminist views (although I wouldn't group her with the stupid feminists).

[Hemlock_Conium 46]

@@mycarhasaMoustache, @, Both of you are factually wrong.

 

This feminist blog, as far as Equestria Girls is concerned, is extremely correct in her opinions and backs them up. From a conceptual standpoint, Equestria Girls is extremely anti-feminist, and that's not good because it goes against everything Friendship Is Magic stands for. How is it anti-feminist?

1. It sticks Twilight Sparkle and "copies" of the Mane Six in a high school setting, a common cliché in family-friendly entertainment, with no honest-to-God effort to connect it to Friendship Is Magic. Unlike several Friendship Is Magic episodes (which use the plot willingly to critique these clichéd concepts), Equestria Girls attaches high school as its central setting.
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3. The production of the movie has sucked from the ground up on all parties. Both Hasbro and DHX are equally at fault here, not one or the other. Each concept art that was leaked to the public occurred so early and so quickly for several months, indicating poor security on Hasbro's behalf and sending messages to people that this movie has no quality control. When this disgustingly sexist piece of concept art was revealed, Equestria Daily's commenting board exploded in a fury. This movie had undergone several serious changes since the beginning, particularly the bad character design, when both Hasbro and DHX should've communicated and agreed to a design concept during the sketching and researching stages of the movie. The prototype dolls, for one, indicate the scary, sexist culture that American society still instills into girls from ages two and up. And those dolls enforce the editorial's argument (and also really piss off Faust)
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5. This is a completely new franchise designed to attract adolescent girls (ages ten to fourteen), but Hasbro slaps the MLP:FIM logo on the front in order to attract those who've followed the main generation since its inception in 2010. A spinoff doesn't excuse Hasbro or DHX from straying so far away from the roots of this generation. You can make the characters in character however you want or how the beginning of the movie shows Twilight in Equestria. But they're not enough. The feel of FIM, from the concept to its setting, must match the main series. The atmosphere and mission statement from Friendship Is Magic must coexist with Equestria Girls. The info-dump of the trailer, plot summary, and poor development of this movie proves how EQG is FIM's antithesis, and that's a really bad thing.

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*waves arms excitedly* Someone who actually knows what they're talking about! 

 

Also, if EquestriaDaily reported on every single hate blog for Egg Quest Be A Girls, they'd be packed to the brim with posts.

Edited May 31, 2013 by Vodka_Mutini

[NavelColt 22,875]

Your title, 'What are your thoughts on this?' was rather vague, so I've altered it to its' current form to help folks get what's being talked about prior to entering :3

[Syrchalis 40]

While I hate the idea of Equestria Girls, I do NOT side with any feminist view on the subject, feminism these days is just a bunch of self centered hags complaining about how media is "misogynistic" towards women, I even strongly disagree with Lauren Faust on all of her feminist views (although I wouldn't group her with the stupid feminists).

 

I would really like to know where you live and what kind of school you visited. Because here, in germany, a modern country, even in a private boarding school with the most craziest and eccentric people - you see about 97% of the girls pushed into that one stereotype we all know from the typical high school show.

 

If I move out of the school scene and into the gothic scene I see indiviuality everywhere and most girls and woman do just what they want and don't give a damn about what society wants to put them into.

 

I am by no means a feminist, but I hate that in todays schools everyone is a boring copy of each other, especially girls suffer from this.