What would happen if all bronies and pegasisters formed their own nation?

[Scholar Fillisari 4]

Hello Everypony. A few weeks ago me and my friend were talking about the state of modern international politics and as we were talking i had an idea about the idea of a nation of Bronys and Pegisisters as a hope for the world as a demonstration of the power of Love and tolerate (and Twilight sparkle). But what would happen. and also HOW would the whole nation run??? as a monarchy or a democracy? a dictatorship or just a nation that follows natural law?

[EndtheRaven 161]

It would be a monarchy with Luna and Celestia. It is a very utopian idea and I wish it could happen. But it would crumble into a butthurt hell hole given the attitudes of most people on the internet sadly.

Or the United States would take us over by force if we had oil because we need more freedom and shit clearly. 

I wish such a thing could exist though. Everyone would have a friend and never be lonely. 

[Scootalove 10,684]

Sounds like a pretty broad idea. If we did form a nation, we would try to take over anything in our path except the anime fans. It would be under a constitutional monarchy but, I wonder if it would last very long.

[Lisa 5,551]

I HIGHLY doubt this would happen, if it did though, I believe it would be a monarchy. Everyone would worship Princess Luna/Celestia/Twilight/Cadence. Either 4 people claim themselves as the princesses, or we literally worship a TV show created for little girls.

[Serbon div 386]

Quite possible, quite possible.

 

But the procedure of creating a country must be perfect.

I think it could be somewhere on the east, where there's oil. We could be a US puppet country, giving them oil, and them giving us what we need. Or it could be a small country like Vatican. 

Of-course the Brony national flag must not be rainbow since people would think it's a gay country.

It shouldn't be a monarchy, it has it's own risks. Maybe a parliamentary monarchy would do the trick, if the US wants to have some control over the country. But, if it becomes a tiny country, we wouldn't be of much interest, allowing absolutist monarchy.

No one should be like Celestia/Luna/Cadence/Twilight, or be called princess, maybe like the Doge, like Venice around 15th century.

So it's like a monarchy, but the Doge is chosen every 12 years for an example. Or something like that. Communist Socialism, National Socialism (Nazism), and pure Democracy are unacceptable.

 

Maybe the best geographical location could be some Pacific island, not too big, not too small.

[JeanHover 326]

Or the United States would take us over by force if we had oil because we need more freedom and shit clearly. 

 

Of course. Take every chance to bash America.

 

Anyways, this is definitely not plausible, and will no doubt not happen.

 

If it did, than comedians would make a lot of money, crime rate would probably skyrocket due to the values of love and toleration, and the UN would be forced to take us seriously while silently laughing their asses off.

Edited July 27, 2013 by Jverne

[Nohbdy 4,108]

It would be an Empire, led by none other than His Holy Imperial Majesty, God Emperor of Bronykind and Supreme Overlord of the Poniverse, Webmaster of MLP Forums, Feld0. We will be unstoppable. Love and tolerance shall reign supreme. Haters will beg for mercy, and we shall give it to them--by assimilating them into the Glorious Herd.

 

In reality, the nation would collapse. Consider for a moment the demographics of the brony fandom. Based on the 2013 Brony Herd Census, the median age is 19 years old, and the mean age is 20. As a whole, we have very little experience. How will we deal with the economy, or foreign policy, or medicine, or technology, or laws? Ignoring the woefully strained experts in higher-level fields, there would no doubt be a shortage of manual labor, as well. Consider also how many bronies are kids, with all the maturity, judgment, and wisdom (or lack thereof) that goes with it. In addition, the bronydom consists heavily of students and first-worlders who have lived relatively privileged lives. Yes, there are exceptions, and yes, there are the older and more experienced bronies. But it's not enough.

 

Even if short term problems were addressed, the numerical disparity between biological males and females (according to the same report, the fandom is 84.4% male) in the fandom will make it difficult to sustain a viable population in the long term. While a situation like this could work if there were more females than males, the opposite does not hold true: a female can only be impregnated once per eight months, while a male can impregnate multiple females in a very short period of time. Thus, we can expect a rapidly aging population whose numbers cannot be replenished without an unrealistically high rate of immigration (unless people could be instantly teleported into the nation as soon as they were converted). 

 

Many have suggested that the nation would be a monarchy. I disagree. An oligarchy, led by the older, wealthier, and more skilled bronies would undoubtedly arise. Considering that half the bronydom still live with their parents and take orders from their elders, it would be even more likely that this will happen. Child labor is assured, especially in the earlier years.  

 

Infrastructure, if present at all, will quickly collapse. The economy doesn't even get off the ground. Education is virtually nonexistent. Technology doesn't work. People starve. Revolts happen. The bad guys win. The population grows jaded. Ideals are cast aside for the sake of survival as the once happy population reveals the worst of human nature. The dream of love and tolerance dies in the ruins of a doomed civilization, struck by the cruel hammer of reality. 

 

And that's before the question of how this nation is going to be founded. And where it is. And how every brony on earth is going to get there. And what the rest of the world is going to think. 

 

There are so many more issues with a brony nation, but I think you get where I'm going. I'm by no means an expert on social science, but I think it's safe to say that the nation will be a failure. Everything might look bright and hopeful in the beginning, but things will go to shit soon enough. Sounding a bit pessimistic? Sure. Eventually, it could sort its problems out. The reality might not be the doomsday scenario I've described here, but it's not going to be as good as it sounds (which is really the point of this post).

 

Honestly, I'd love to live in a utopian society that demonstrates the best of humanity, but I'd rather the fandom stay as just that--a fandom. 

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[Silverhoof 2,839]

Point. All available land is taken. There is no way we could gain such land without the use of force.

 

But lets say there was an island somewhere and we all showed up. People need laws just to get along with each other. love and tolerance doesn't cut it outside of a legal system. Face the facts: people are jerks. Legal penalties are why we act nice towards each other.

 

Without a military we would be screwed. If we had anything worth taking, some country would invade. Somalia has no govt, and is ruled by pirates and armed bands of thugs. Most of the world is governed by bad men with guns.

 

Utopian ideals look nice on paper, but collapse in reality.

[I used to be a stranger 7,988]

It would be a power void and quickly succumb to the cultures that surround it. Since one of the main tenants of Bronies as an "idealogy" --im sorry i couldn't say that with a straight face-- is "Love and Tolerate" we would have very little basis for military or a system of defense. Americanization would make the city-state quickly form back into a portion of the country whence it came.

[mehguy22 64]

It would be an Empire, led by none other than His Holy Imperial Majesty, God Emperor of Bronykind and Supreme Overlord of the Poniverse, Webmaster of MLP Forums, Feld0. We will be unstoppable. Love and tolerance shall reign supreme. Haters will beg for mercy, and we shall give it to them--by assimilating them into the Glorious Herd.

 

In reality, the nation would collapse. Consider for a moment the demographics of the brony fandom. Based on the 2013 Brony Herd Census, the median age is 19 years old, and the mean age is 20. As a whole, we have very little experience. How will we deal with the economy, or foreign policy, or medicine, or technology, or laws? Ignoring the woefully strained experts in higher-level fields, there would no doubt be a shortage of manual labor, as well. Consider also how many bronies are kids, with all the maturity, judgment, and wisdom (or lack thereof) that goes with it. In addition, the bronydom consists heavily of students and first-worlders who have lived relatively privileged lives. Yes, there are exceptions, and yes, there are the older and more experienced bronies. But it's not enough.

 

Even if short term problems were addressed, the numerical disparity between biological males and females (according to the same report, the fandom is 84.4% male) in the fandom will make it difficult to sustain a viable population in the long term. While a situation like this could work if there were more females than males, the opposite does not hold true: a female can only be impregnated once per eight months, while a male can impregnate multiple females in a very short period of time. Thus, we can expect a rapidly aging population whose numbers cannot be replenished without an unrealistically high rate of immigration (unless people could be instantly teleported into the nation as soon as they were converted). 

 

Many have suggested that the nation would be a monarchy. I disagree. An oligarchy, led by the older, wealthier, and more skilled bronies would undoubtedly arise. Considering that half the bronydom still live with their parents and take orders from their elders, it would be even more likely that this will happen. Child labor is assured, especially in the earlier years.  

 

Infrastructure, if present at all, will quickly collapse. The economy doesn't even get off the ground. Education is virtually nonexistent. Technology doesn't work. People starve. Revolts happen. The bad guys win. The population grows jaded. Ideals are cast aside for the sake of survival as the once happy population reveals the worst of human nature. The dream of love and tolerance dies in the ruins of a doomed civilization, struck by the cruel hammer of reality. 

 

And that's before the question of how this nation is going to be founded. And where it is. And how every brony on earth is going to get there. And what the rest of the world is going to think. 

 

There are so many more issues with a brony nation, but I think you get where I'm going. I'm by no means an expert on social science, but I think it's safe to say that the nation will be a failure. Everything might look bright and hopeful in the beginning, but things will go to shit soon enough. Sounding a bit pessimistic? Sure. Eventually, it could sort its problems out. The reality might not be the doomsday scenario I've described here, but it's not going to be as good as it sounds (which is really the point of this post).

 

Honestly, I'd love to live in a utopian society that demonstrates the best of humanity, but I'd rather the fandom stay as just that--a fandom. 

I agree. It sounds awesome but it would collapse. The only way I could see it is a crazy and unrealistic idea, but if it somehow happened, this one could work somewhat:

 

 

 

If humans ever get orbital space colonies that are sustainable, and if they became publicly available somehow, and finally, if everyone that lived in one was a brony/ pegasister,they could live in peace as long as they simply be nice to everyone else. How? Explanation time!

 

Problem- food and water

Solution- The colony would have crops, and the colony's owner would probably send water so that the colony survived.

 

Problem- air

Solution- There would be plants to cycle the CO2 and oxygen.

 

Problem- politics

Solution- Just be nice and you won't need laws. Laws are made to suppress bad action, so no bad action= no laws needed.

 

Problem- attacks

Solution- Battle in space would be harder than you'd think. Guns would make too much recoil to be usable in space, lasers would take up too much energy, and it's generally hard to rendezvous two craft together. The only ways an orbital colony could be attacked is if a craft literally rammed the colony, which would be a waste of money. It's hard to get ships into space. 

 

Problem- colonies would be really expensive

Solution- IDK :I

 

In general, any solutions to the idea of a brony nation are a little improbable. It probably won't happen. But it's fun to imagine! That's why I posted all this stuff!

[Proton 564]

Applying real-life rules with no ponies whatsoever, I guess it would run on natural law, because none of us bronies are evil in any way. Or at least that's what I believe O.o

[Jessper 735]

Seeing how we are people who have nothing much in common apart from one hobby... It would either be a country as any other or more likely would fail just as any other attempt to artificially create a nation. Tho it would prolly be funnier, nicer and with smaller bodycount at the end.

Edited July 27, 2013 by Jessper

[Scholar Fillisari 4]

Well my hopes and dreams have been dashed. JK but i didn't think about a fall... well it was a good concept at first glance but okay

[Serbon div 386]

 

 

All available land is taken. There is no way we could gain such land without the use of force.

Nonsense. With this I do not agree. Every clown on Earth can steal almost anyone's land. Two greater exceptions: Russia and USA.

Look what they did to Serbia. We were all one nation of 90% Serbians, 10% Southern Slavs ruled  by one king, everything is perfect, we were a strong nation and then we get this guy, freemason Josif Broz Tito, he creates a nation of Catholic Serbs, a nation of Muslim Serbs, a nation of  Half-Serbs Half-Bulgarians, Montenegrin nation and a nation of Northern Serbs and the idea of Albanian Kosovo. He created a time bomb, after his death everything broke up with the help from USA and NATO. And in less then 50 years, we get a new Balkan peninsula, a Balkan of hate and war between false nations and other bullshit. And, what do we have now? Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro, Macedonia, Slovenia and Serbia, and we get Albanian separatism and pretty soon Hungarian separatism.

[Freewave 1,145]

Hello Everypony. A few weeks ago me and my friend were talking about the state of modern international politics and as we were talking i had an idea about the idea of a nation of Bronys and Pegisisters as a hope for the world as a demonstration of the power of Love and tolerate (and Twilight sparkle). But what would happen. and also HOW would the whole nation run??? as a monarchy or a democracy? a dictatorship or just a nation that follows natural law?

 

Seth and Equestria Daily would run it as imperialous dictatorship kinda like they do now  .  

 

Sorry this is frankly kind of a dumb question. Bronies fight amongst themselves almost as much as regular people, have their own class systems, and our own power grabbers. We're not immune to how the rest of how humanity acts, we're only just a bit nicer then everyone else.  Thinking that we're somehow above it all as people is a bit naive.

Edited July 27, 2013 by Freewave

[Fluttershyfan94 5,737]

I have an idea what would happen..

 

 

It would probably be a democracy and basically just like any other country. There wouldn't be any difference, it would just be a nation like any other.

Edited July 27, 2013 by Fluttershyfan94

[Untitled Goose Q 5,136]

It is a wonderful idea, but as has been stated already, it is extremely impractical. I suspect it would be more practical for us to all go and live in Equestria.

[MichaelxXxTrixie 433]

Now I'm going to take a look at "What-If" rather than what is reasonable. 

 

In the case that we somehow all banded together we would have enough people to take over some land in some backwash area of the world. However, the problem is that most of us are pretty young. We'd have to be controlled by a few rich Bronies in an oligarchy, now if we took the needed land we would have to be capable of defending it which now days is nearly impossible.

 

I'm not saying it would fail just because we are Bronies, I'm saying it would fail just because times have changed. No-longer can countries go on massive conquests for glory without some blitz missile strike or something of that sort taking them down. Love and Tolerance also is a nice principal for a country, but it wouldn't be enough to be a law. We could base our laws around that but to hold our country we'd have to resort to darker means, slowly veering away from our original message becoming more corrupt.

 

In short, countries are damn hard to make.

[Felix 1,363]

What we really need to do is find an area and create Equestria and make artificial ponies that look and act exactly like the characters themselves. And we'd make a digital biome around all of Equestria to make the whole place seem more cartoony and like the show. There bronys and pegasisters would unite together in our very own world.

[Super Derpy 535]

I don't think this would be the best idea considering probably none of us know how to run a country. Its not like you can just be like "We want a country." and then some random country would be like "Here have some of our land. We will just give it to you for no reason and lose some of resources." So unless some of us know how to run a country and we somehow get some land it's not happening.

[cuteycindyhoney 13,282]

I hate to say it, but things would end up much like Equestria. Pegasisters would end up ruing the land. Bronies would grovel at our hooves, um, feet.

 

Bwa-ha-ha!

[Toa of Ponies 259]

Huh, well It'd be Horrible.

 

We'd have the worst Government in the world

 

We'd never make any money cause we'd always be on our computers

 

Our economy would be In shambles

 

We'd have no Infrastructure

 

Who the hell is gonna be the president? Everyone would fight over it

 

The trolls of the world would probably call it "Fagtopia"

 

We'd have no Goods and services

 

and we'd be in war with every country ever

 

yep, I think that sums it up nicely

Edited July 28, 2013 by Toa of Ponies

[Oblivion 20,265]

It would be a power void and quickly succumb to the cultures that surround it. Since one of the main tenants of Bronies as an "idealogy" --im sorry i couldn't say that with a straight face-- is "Love and Tolerate" we would have very little basis for military or a system of defense. Americanization would make the city-state quickly form back into a portion of the country whence it came.

Yea, I agree Without a military the country would probably get invaded by haters (America, England etc) And eventually would be turned right back into another war mongering country.

What we really need to do is find an area and create Equestria and make artificial ponies that look and act exactly like the characters themselves. And we'd make a digital biome around all of Equestria to make the whole place seem more cartoony and like the show. There bronys and pegasisters would unite together in our very own world.

Read the fanfiction "trapped"http://www.fimfiction.net/story/63907/28/trapped/early-birds.....We should let out humane body die and then put out mind in some super computer with a virtual equestria. and there we go a whole country to ourselves without the need for war. Edited July 28, 2013 by buster500

[Metemponychosis 1,236]

I have the feeling that these threads are born because people expect bronies (also known as humans who happen to like a cartoon) to behave as they interpret how the ponies to live. This whole "love and tolerate" is completely lost in the fandom. We are a lot more complicated than cartoon ponies.

 

Bronies are no "better" than "normal" humans. If you make a nation of bronies, it's going to be just like any other nation in the world. People getting money to pass laws, abuse of power by civil authorities, people who don't care enough to something about anything; and people who actually try to do better and are just crushed by the rest.