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Why is it that boy's are potrayed as slaves in the show? Why is it that the majority of ponyville is women? If so how do the pony's reproduce?

 

I find this as an issue in the show really, It would be good for both the community and the show if a gender equality was made so it portrays both the genders in the right way. So why does it keep on doing this? For a more bigger female fanbase?

 

MLP Tales did it right, So why not here? I feel like this is what is blocking me for becoming a true brony but the more it insults the male gender, the more I hate the show and the more of the feeling I want to forget about it and get away from the brony culture all together...

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Personally, I don't see the issue here, I mean it was targeted towards younger female audience after all, and it's nice to actually see strong female leads in this seemingly male first world.

 

For me, I actually like it. 

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No, this show is not sexist in any way whatsoever.  

 

1.  Who's the target audience?   Little girls.  That's why there's so many female characters; so little girls can relate.  

 

2. Boys are not portrayed as slaves at all.  If you're referring to the fact that Big Macintosh works in the fields and doesn't say much, that's just his character.   It doesn't stereotype men as farmers and manual laborers that can't even hold a conversation.  If anything, it just says that men typically do more physical labor than women.  And that's not controversial, it's true.   

 

3.  Reproduction has no place in a children's show and shouldn't even have been mentioned in your argument.   

 

It never once has insulted the male gender.  If it has and I am unaware, it's a small joke.  You're overthinking this.   

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I don't see the problem here. I don't see any evidence of the males being portrayed as slaves in the show, the show obviously was targeted towards the female audience preferably the young children. We've seen male protagonists have strong roles in shows before, so I don't think it's a problem on having female protagonists.

 

There are more female characters in the show because, after all the show is targeted towards the female audience it's not to insult the male gender at all. Plus, reproduction isn't exactly helping your argument and reproduction shouldn't be in a kids show at all.

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I think you misunderstand how they are portraying males. I don't see them as slaves at all. There just seems to be a lower ratio of boys to girls.

 

I mean, was Fancy Pants a slave? Big Macintosh? Soarin'? Flim and Flam? There are probably a couple others I've forgotten.

 

There was only one time a male character did manual labor for a female. That was Rarity asking those two stallions to take them to the Gala. And she asked nicely, and they knew her well enough to do a favor for her. I would like to think she paid them as well, but I can't remember if they showed that part.

 

So, no, I do not think MLP displays males as 'slaves'. You are reading way to far into it. It is a show designed for girls so they have more female characters than male characters.

 

Does this mean the male characters are inferior? Absolutely not.

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I find it kind of sexist that most of the male ponies look ugly, but hmm, that is what most girl shows do. According to the development team it is a "Girls show" and little girls just LOVE making fun of guys. Sigh. Also, there is so much hate on spike because he is a guy. They really are trying to make all the guys seem like derpy hooves in my eyes.

 

I have no issue with it though. I mean, you have rainbow dash and she is a tomboy. I like it that is wasn't like the older generations where all ponies were "perfect".

 

Even though they do make fun of guys, I wouldn't call them "slaves".

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*tokes doobie*

 

Oh course I have the answers here.

 

Alright, where to begin? Sexism... Hmm... If we just ignore the "targeted audience" statement for a minute, I'll explain the real reasoning on while males are slim-pickin' in the show.

Obviously the men are too busy with lumberjacking and oil-rigging to take part in the mindless activities that the main-six take part in. I mean, seriously, if the men weren't workin' hard for a livin', how would they provide for their families? That is why they aren't shown that much in the show. Makes sense, eh squiddy?

 

Anyways, let's stick the Ford Probe up the ass of the American automotive industry even further. You had a question about reproduction, this is simple my friend. They reproduce like Ford Mustangs. They go into a barn at night and a much more significant number than what went it, come out. It really explains a lot considering they all look the same.

 

What else we got here? *Shuffles papers* Hmm....

Oh yeah, now we can go to the targeted audience thing. 

Okay, we got a show about adorable pastel ponies... Not many men were probably expected to take to the show quite as they did. I mean, it's really just a stereotype thing to say the least, but ya know how it is. 

 

 

Oh yeah, and most importantly. This is probably the main reason that males are slim-pickin' in the show: The female ones are much more adorable. Like, yeah. I don't watch the show for the stories, the animation or any other bullshit excuse people have. I watch it because the characters are fucking adorable and ya just wanna squeeze one.

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I would be a complete cliche and bring up the "targeted audience" thing again, but I'm pretty much going to quote what Chevette said above me. The male ponies are the workers of the land. They do the heavy-lifting around the town while the Mane Six are doing their own things. It's like back in the 1700's; the men go out and work so that they can provide for their homes and families.

 

They're workers, and to me, it makes sense.

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There was a topic similar to this that drew a ton of ire in the past, I think.

 

Anyway, keep in mind that while they have human like qualities about them, it's still an Equestrian-based society in some aspects. They don't eat cheeseburgers and pizza, they eat apples and hay. Stallions, such as Big Mac, are usually used to work the fields and shit while the mares are just for breeding. With horses, the bros work all day and then come home to their women at night and bake a cake.

 

That's probably how it is.

 

Anyway, I saw Chevette mention that he watches the show for the characters, not the story. That's how I feel too, and a lot of others I met feel the same way; they're not only interesting and deep in their own right, but so just so cute. They've got it all going for them, and I honestly hang out in Show Discussion much more than anywhere else, but I still get just as much enjoyment looking at fanart of the ponies and reading their fanfics as I do watching the show itself, because I love the characters, man.

 

Also, please don't tell me you think Shining Armor, the Prince of the Crystal Empire, is treated like a slave :D

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Not to mention the fact that ponies in real life live like that, too. Basically, we're talking one stallion with a whole lot of mares. Think about it... XD

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They're not portrayed as slaves, they're just working all of the time, you know, supporting their pony families?  Or doing favors for otherponies, because basically everypony is friendly in that universe, so it only makes sense.    If you look at the most important male character, Spike, you can clearly see that he's a fkn boss.  He just doesn't care half the time, he rolls his eyes, falls asleep in random spots during conversations, is always thinking about food when problems arise, and when was growing into a dragon in that episode where he was stealing stuff, the ONLY thing that stopped him was himself, and remembering his love for Rarity.  If she wasn't around, that town may have been decimated.  TOTAL BOSS.  Not to mention he is honest most of the time and works hard for Twilight, because they're basically siblings.  Doesn't sound sexist to me.   

 

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Guys being put to manual labor? Look at Caramel. Look at Blueblood. Look at Discord. They aren't being put to labor. :P

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Why is it that boy's are potrayed as slaves in the show? Why is it that the majority of ponyville is women? If so how do the pony's reproduce?

You just said that colts and stallions are portrayed as slaves and yet wonder how they reproduce, ever hear the term BDSM? I am joking but you totally walked into that one, first there is the whole target audience thing it is "girls show" so most of the characters tend to be female. I don't think the ratio is quite as drastic as the discrepency would indicate at least if Equestria were to actually exist but there is just not enough evidence to call sexism.

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Well at first the show was aimed for little girls but as the fanbase came on they aimed more on the family side but i see no sexism in the show it's how it was since gen1


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Well I don’t see a problem: this show was created for a young female audience, it may have gone beyond that but I don’t see it as surprising that the heroes of the stories are female, and why not? There’s tons of shows/movies/stories where the heroes are male, tons where it’s both genders, so why not a story where it’s females?

 

As for the guys being treated different: I don’t think they really are: one example is Spike he’s almost part of the mane 6 and he gets his own episodes and character development stories.

 

As for big mac for example: he works hard at the farm doing farm chores: maybe a little less but still so does Applejack, so both genders are equally having to work hard doing farm apple stuff.

 

Can’t think of any other guy characters apart from the royal guard but I don’t know what to say about them.

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Meh.... Spike yes... He's a slave pretty much, but does it voluntarily.

 

And if you look closely, there are about as many males in the background as females... And plus it's a girls show anyways.... Ever seen strawberry shortcake?... There's like one guy.

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I think terms of sexism is only labeled to a show

if you choose to look at something in that sort

of view and understanding in trying to find reasons

for it and taking away any kind of joy you

might feel in watching the show. 

 

I find it better not to makes things to layer

when it comes to something I enjoy and can

share with others such as place or the

fandom of MLP itself.


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What? Male characters are frequently portrayed as noble, cool, and admirable in MLP.

 

Look at characters like Big Macintosh, Shining Armor, or Fancypants. Just because Spike is the butt of comic relief jokes doesn't mean that the show is making fun of males in general; And even Spike gets tons of character development, and is portrayed sympathetically most of the time. MLP is a progressive series, and doesn't display gender prejudices of any sort.

 

Anyway, I don't think men are societally disadvantaged in Equestria or real life. If anything, unlike the real world, Equestria just evens the odds and creates a fantastic world free of sexism where men and women are actually treated equally. Perhaps someday we'll catch on to that ideal as well, but until then, men are the privileged gender, and I don't think we really have room to complain about gender bias against us, when women are the ones constantly getting the short end of the stick in society.

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The only time sexism happened was(ironically enough, since it was one of Faust's episodes)in "Ticket Master" where AJ says to Spike 

 

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Slavery is forced labor for no pay. Has it ever been implied that the "worker ponies" (those who pull the trains, those who work in the fields, etc.) aren't paid or that they aren't willing to do this type of work? No, it hasn't. I would say that this plays into a gender stereotype, which is that men are strong, but I don't think it's sexist. There's a difference. It doesn't imply that women are better than men. It simply reinforces a role that may not apply to all people. Which isn't good either. However, you do see ponies who have other kinds of jobs. The royal guard, shop owners, company owners, just to name a few. It's true that we don't commonly see female ponies in more worker-type roles (though I think we should,) but that doesn't mean we don't see male ponies in any other roles, either.

 

As for a majority of ponies being female, first, I think you would have to count them to really get an accurate view. It's possible that you're falling prey to confirmation bias. And if you think back to previous gens, there's a lot more males than there used to be. I don't know that there ever were any male ponies in previous generations of MLP, and if there were, there were far, far less than there are in FiM. If there are, in fact, more female ponies than male, however, it's most likely because the target audience is little girls. If you think about it on a grander scale, how many shows for boys, or worse, "gender neutral" shows have an even male and female cast? Most of them have a lot more male characters. And it's unfortunate because that's what we see as "normal," generally speaking. While I generally don't think backlash is the right way to go when it comes to issues of gender, as it does nothing to bring us closer to equality, I do think that we could stand to have a show that has a slightly higher female cast for all the media out there (and trust me, there are a lot) that have a higher male cast.


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It's true that we don't commonly see female ponies in more worker-type roles (though I think we should,) but that doesn't mean we don't see male ponies in any other roles, either.

We see plenty of female characters working, I think. Applejack works on the farm, Pinkie Pie has a job at Sugarcube Corner, Rainbow Dash appears to work at a weather factory in Cloudsdale, Fluttershy is an animal caretaker, and Rarity owns her own business. These characters are all hard-working, independent women, and are great role models for it.


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