Wadusher0

Wrong, religion begins with simply the admission that there is a purpose to our existence. Both science and religion have faith in them, the difference is that science takes faith as a starting point and religion has faith as the entire journey.

 

They are not mutually exclusive because they are addressing two different things. I believe in evolution, the possibility of extra terrestrial life, and transhumanism as the natural next or soon to be step in our civilization. However, I also believe God exists. However interventionist or not It is, in the end what we do as people is what matters.

 

If my belief in God doesn't impede me from saying "you're right" when you quote astrophysics at me, why does it bother you?

Science is the process of using reason to acquire knowledge about the truth of reality that can be communicated. Religion is the idea that there is a higher plane of truth that cannot be communicated. If, for example, I say I know how God created the earth, I cannot communicate how he did so because God only exists in my head.

If, On the other hand, I look to geology and astrophysics for answers on how the earth was created, I can communicate the process. This is where science is fundementally in conflict with religion, because God is an abstract that exists on a higher plane of reality that only you can comprehend, therefore I am dependant on you for the truth, and have no choice but to obey your every whim.

This is what comes to my mind whenever I see comically oversized villians such as Tirek.

Quite frankly, no. You're clearly intelligent, so you know those statements aren't the least bit neutral or unbiased. I didn't try to make religion sound favorable in my definition, but you're still trying to paint faith in a negative fashion.

I do not wish to seem biased in the statement that religion always includes building your life around telepathically communicating with something you cannot prove exists. Nor do I think it is biased to say that gods defy logic. They do - it is ridiculous and impossible to be all knowing AND all powerful, as gods are typically accepted to be.

You're right, science is a system of thought, but I didn't say science and religion were mutually exclusive, I certainly don't think they are.

You still haven't defined what goes on at the core of religion, or how it is distinguished from science.

Science is based on the fact that one does not know the truth about something, and begins investigating. Religion is based on the assumption that one does automatically know the truth about that something. This precludes further investigation. This is an entire universe of diferrence, which means they are very much mutually exclusive.

Claiming that religion itself is immoral is quite a tall order, one that I don't think this thread is suited for at this moment. Suffice it to say, I don't agree.

 

So for the moment, let's just let the discussion continue and let others decide for themselves how they wish to interpret the OP's intent.

I suppose we can continue the discussion of morality via PMs if you wish to let other people decide the direction of the thread. It is actually very simple to define religion as immoral, as morality is incredibly easy to define, but I agree, thats a topic for a seperate thread.

I would not stoop to their level, even if they activate my lizard brain parental instincts by attacking my favourite pony.

I would instead calmly and politely ask them how their day was, then question what prompted their outburst. I would not allow them to avoid answering, mind you,

I wouldn't call it either of those, personally. A system of thought is too vague a definition for something like this, and so is a central subject by which one conducts their life. There are many, many systems of thought out there, and just as many central subjects. Science fits those definitions, but religion is not in any way built upon the scientific method.

Yes, I may be biased against religion, but thats because I understand that it is immoral, if morality is defined by avoidence of the initiation of force against a person, as was implied to have happened in the above example. We evolved to be biased against that which is destroys us.

But if you want a morally neutral definition with very few biases, then we can define a religion as:

A ) A system of thought which is not based on reason and evidence, but on the beleif that entities that defy logic exist and control your life.

B ) The assumtion that these entities - we know them as Gods - both know and control everything in the universe. This is, in fact, impossible.

C ) Building your life around the assumption that Gods will reward you for obedience to your elders and punish you for disobedience. Punishment being why I bring up the use of force.

Is that specific and unbiased enough for you?

Okay, this discussion is going nowhere fast without the help of some definitions.

Religion is, fundementally, bribing someone with something you do not possess and cannot prove exists, coupled with threats that something you also cannot prove exists will kill them. For example - a man might come to your house and tell your child that "HE HAS SINNED!" and that he "MUST PLEDGE HIS ALLEIGENCE TO GOD IN ORDER TO BE CURED!!" and that this made up thing called sin will kill him when this is in fact complete nonsense. I have never seen a brony say something like that in my life, therefore I have doubts that one can rationally argue that any of us bronies treat MLP like a religion. This is NOT THE SAME as simply being "obsessed with the show," but I don't think you folks realize that.

Now, bronies are just people who enjoy a specific form of entertainment called My Little Pony. Bronies are not priests. Many of those people are very outgoing about their love of the show, and are often in other people's faces about it, but has anyone ever been threatened with eternal torture after they die for not watching or enjoying this show?

Obviously everyone is allowed to beleive in things that cannot scientifically exist, but if any brony not only assumed that Equestria was a real place, but thought that it would be a good idea to make someone think that, say, Princess Celestia herself would descend from the skies to rain down fire and destruction on people who don't like the show, he would be laughed out of the country. This is, of course, what I think of when you all say bronies "treat MLP like a religion", which is ridiculous. 

Its an excellent drawing, but unlike 99% of this thread I see a few things that you can improve on.

For one thing, Applebloom's bow is the same red as her mane. In the show its pink. Since this appears to be a pencil crayon drawing, you can fix that by colouring on top of the bow with a white pencil crayon.

The back rim of Applejack's hat should also extend slightly further back. In the show, it can go all the way to the back of her neck. See here http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5h2p0J0zv1qc5ffho1_1280.png

Her mane curves back in a rather strange manner as well. It looks like it should wrap around her neck, but its inclined in a way that doesn't really imply this. It should be more like what you have for Applebloom's mane.

Once again, great work! My first attempt certainly wasn't nearly as good as yours.

Well, here's mine, if you're into dogs.

Cuter? Nah. Sexier? Yes.

I would argue that, like all crazy cartoon characters, she doesn't even need money for those, as she appears to simply will specific objects into existence when it is funny to have them nearby.

Because who needs logic when you can PARTY!

And the last one is finished! You folks want a comic from me, you'll have to buy one!

Hmm... I suppose she does.

cool. who the buck's his mom, though?

Thanks. She's a simple motherly pony I made up to fill the role of his mom.

Can you do a comic focusing on my OC Renegade in an Indiana Jones/Daring Do-like plot?

Done! Also got Lightning Flash's comic ready.

And here's Arcanel's comic finished! Now I'll be working on Lightning Flash's comic.

3/10 five minutes in a pony creator.

Oh I didn't even see you quoted me before.

But no need, that comic was really good thanks.

No problem.

Thanks! :3 ANd yes I do, but should we discuss it here or at a PM? However you prefer

PM works. No need to bloat this thread.

Oh I would definitely like Blaze to be in one of your comics.

Link in my signature.

Here you go.

Can you add my oc to the list?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sure!

Can you do a comic focusing on my OC Renegade in an Indiana Jones/Daring Do-like plot?

Soon as I figure out how to fit that in 3 panels.

Oooh, tough choice. I'm going to have to go with a yes, though. :3

Ohhhhhhhh, your artstyle is really cute and you make great comics! (I think I've seen you around on dA too )

 

Anyway, do you think you could draw of my OC Arcanel?

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you need more info, his OC sheet is in my sig! (And if you give me the ok, I'll give you the idea, but I wanted to put the input first XD). Anyway, thanks and I hope he's not much of a hassle

I'll put you on the list. Got any ideas?

Oh I would definitely like Blaze to be in one of your comics.

Link in my signature.

Added to the list!

You have anything specific in mind?

EDIT: That's it folks! The list is full! Come back next time!

  Welcome!

First and foremost, let me introduce myself. I am Wadusher0, and I make pony comics.

Not only that, but if you have an OC, I will be drawing him/her in a short comic - no more than 3 panels, for free! I will only do this for the first five people to post a reply to this topic, so get it while its hot!


The List:
1.  ~TableFlippin_Rex~ -http://fav.me/d7hyr76
2. Arcanel -not started
3. lighting flash -not started
4. Renegade the Unicorn -not started
5. Sapphiredragoon -not started
 

I know this sound ininformed and not in the "loop" (I haven't seen season 4) but does Scootaloo learn to fly in season 4?

Episode 5 - "Flight to the Finish" deals with that. I suggest you watch it.

Scootaloo had the best line in the Equestira Hames episode right in the intro if no one caught it "Winners or not, we all have the chance to be awesome"

You mean the Equestria Games?