Sir Wulfington

Like I said, if they like the wealthy lifestyle, they're not good people, and anything "good" they do is for some selfish motivation. If they REALLY cared, they'd live modestly. And like I said, almost all rich people only give a small fraction of their wealth away, yet still keep enough to be wealthy. Bullshit thy care, they don't, they're full of shit. Yeah, SOME make jobs, and still charge themselves far more than the other employees. And no, the only reason CEO's make that much money is because they can, there is no benefit to giving so much of a company's profit to one individual. Nobody needs or deserves the amount that ceo's make. But if you have no problem with that, or the rich lifestyle in general, than don't continue speaking with me, I have no desire to talk to someone who supports such a morally bankrupt system. That goes for anyone else reading this, if you're on this guys side? Don't talk to me. I've already explained what's wrong and I don't need to do again. And as I said, this has gone way off topic. I've said what I have to say on that argument, so I'm not gonna keep dragging it out. And Kendall doesn't need to be killing these animals to eat, you can say "but teh villagurz", yeah, they're capable of providing for themselves, they're not handicapped, they don't need some white america to be their sole provider of food. Again, if she fucking cared, she'd donate, instead of killing. And me ceasing my meat eating habits will not affect the meat industry at all, so what's the point of stopping? A lot of animals only exist because they're bred to be eaten, I believe. So even if 30% of people stopped eating meat, that would just reduce the amount of animals bred for consumption, it wouldn't stop meat-eating.

Yeah, no. Again, don't care if you "earned" it, doesn't mean you should waste. Most rich people are selfish, greedy scumbags who only want more for themselves, and could give a fuck less about other living beings. I mean, the best way to be wealthy is to stamp all over as many people as you can to gain more money, like look at CEO's who make MILLIONS (bobby kotick, who's name does not deserve to be capitalized, made 55 million last year) who charge their workers so little by comparison, as little as they can get away with. And if the company ain't making as much profit as before? They hack some of their workforce, while still keeping their fat paychecks intact. Again, the best way to make money is to disregard the lives of others when it benefits you. And people who want to be rich, who do, are typically content to do whatever it takes to do so. People get wealth, than taste the life of luxury, and just want more of it. More, more more. Most rich people give only a fraction of their wealth to charities, where as every else typically gives FAR more, percentage wise, of their money. Like I said before, your average rich folk only give their money away to make themselves look good, not because they care. Like how pewdiepie holds charity fundraisers and asks his fans to make up the vast majority of the donations......despite the fact that he makes over around 4 million a YEAR, he'll barely donate any himself. Because he doesn't care. The typical rich person is subhuman scum whom I reserve zero empathy for. Again tho, off topic. Also, if you can't see the difference between hunting animals for the sake of it (especially endangered animals), and killing animals for food, than there's no point in continuing to argue with you. And for the record, I'm of the opinion that if we no longer need to eat meat, than killing animals for it is immoral. I also know that me buying meat products isn't gonna change fuck all. That's the problem, her justification is in serious doubt. The fact that she's wealthy just makes it much more likely that she's full of a shit and is just an evil bitch.

You do, actually, have moral obligation to give away your excess cash to worthwhile causes. Once you have what you truly need in life to be happy, that is. And no, that doesn't include the crap that a typical rich person buys, it's all just redundant, pointless junk. You only need one car, you only need a single normal sized home (if anything, mansions should be homes for large groups of people living together, justifying the extra space.), a tv standard television you can buy for 100-200 bucks works just as fine as a $3000 bigscreen HD tv, a wedding ring priced at 10k is pointless when you can either buy a really cheap ring or not get married because marriage is fucking pointless anyway (but that's a whole 'nother topic), a super attractive looking hand bag that costs $30,000 is retarded to buy when you could just get a normal 25 buck handbag, there's no point in dropping hundreds or thousands of dough on a super fancy restaurant when you can just go eat at a $10 or less per meal joint that's tastes great too. Do you see where I'm going with this? That's what I mean. I don't care if you "earned" it or think you earned it, just because you have the money doesn't mean you should be effectively flush it down a drain. But I doubt you'll listen, if you don't care I doubt anything could make you. And this has gone off topic so I'll leave that argument here. And if giving Africa's government money is pointless, than what's the point of her spending money to hunt when, according to this article, which contradicts the one I linked that defended her actions, outlawing hunting in a certain region of africa actually caused, NOT FUCKING SURPRISINGLY, the lion population to grow. Where as, the one justifying her actions says outlawing hunting causes more animal death than making it legal. HMMM, which makes more sense, I wonder? If you really cared since it's morally wrong from your point of view, you wouldn't say "it's her right so she can do as she pleases". Someone who's morally offended by something would never just shrug and go "ah it's her rights, so EH", unless they were completely apathetic about it.

You're an exception to the rule, not the norm. That's implying you don't spend on other pointless luxuries (like slightly better versions of things priced absurdly higher). If most rich people cared, they'd live like middle class folk. Any rich person who doesn't is a jackass, and any good they do is merely for publicity and nothing more. There's nothing you can buy as a wealthy person that isn't something you can get for much cheaper, tho a bit inferior (in some cases they're exactly the same in function), as a middle class member. Rich people typically buy things just to show that they can. I mean, if she can afford to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars per kill, she could easily afford to just give the country that money, because as I recall, the entire point of not outlawing hunting is to prevent poaching because the country either needs the money or the conservationists there need it to protect the animals, so that poachers don't wipe them out completely, because that's what they'll do. If she really cared, she'd just give them at money, since she can obviously afford to. How is it?

Well I know it's against the rules to just attack people, but bad people, I'm pretty sure, is fine here. Oh and I forgot to add, the only reason rich people donate more is because they have more money with which to donate. But middle and lower class folk, on average, donate much more, percentage wise, of their money. Rich people typically only donate to make themselves look good, they don't actually care, or else they wouldn't throw their money away on pointless luxurious like mansions, expensive cars, etc. I only even brought rich people up because Kendall is no doubt wealthy if she can afford to pay the ridiculous prices to hunt each animal she's been hunting since she was a young girl. And really, I don't know why I even reconsidered my stance on her, if the reason for allowing hunting there is to prevent poaching, which would be for the sake of providing more income for the country, than she could easily just donate the cash she uses to kill those animals instead of, you know, killing them. Kinda puts a dent in the theory that she's doing this for benevolent reasons, huh? That and her joyful expressions as she posed with their carcasses. I don't know why you would be, if anything, I'm scared by the people supporting unnecessary animal slaughter.

I'm glad you find it rude because that was exactly my intent. I don't hate the rich for their money, I hate the rich for what they do with said money, because it speaks volumes for the kind of people that they are, but that's irrelevant to this discussion. If the animal doesn't need to be killed for any moral reason, than don't do it, or you're an amoral prick. End of story.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/why-kendall-jones-and-safari-hunters-are-wrong HMMM. Yeah.....now I'm back to doubting Kendal's argument again. Not that I'd expect a rich person to be doing anything out the kindness of their hearts, anyway. So doesn't surprise me. That and her want to make a television show out of it smelled like a potential want to make more money, so yeah.

Well, if that's true, she should've just said that in the first place, and and she probably would've avoided much flak. Ugg, I need to go think about this some more, I think you're probably right tho.....I stand by, regardless, that legality has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not this is morally acceptable.

They might give a damn regardless. I'm doubtful, I've been doubtful since I first saw the petition, but I belief there's at least a faint glimmer of hope this will put an end to her hunting. You don't know that for certain.

And where have you heard this from?

It was made by a south african who, I assume, is sending it to his or her government to get Kendall banned from hunting there. I don't know if they'll care about sigs from outside of their country, I don't know if they'll even care about sigs in their own country, but they might, so it's worth a try.

I don't believe you have to put anything there accept for your name and email, possibly your country, but not your specific city and street address.

Doesn't matter how many she's killing, it's still wrong for the reason's she's doing it. And it's certainly not too much to ask that you take 1 minute to sign a petition, but if you don't care, than whatever.

Sigh.....do you live in america? I know that over there "freedom" is a very popular concept, the right to do as one wants to, to say what one wants to. I believe many americans have warped that idea into meaning that they can do whatever they want, regardless of whether or not it's morally acceptable. No, you don't have the freedom to kill animals (or people) just because you feel like it. They have a right to live just like you and other human beings do. If there's a legitimate reason to kill them, that's fine, but just pointless hunting is absolutely unacceptable. You should know why that is. If you want to defend the unnecessary slaughter of living, breathing, feeling creatures, than I have no desire to continue speaking to you. Keep in mind, a moral relativist mindset (as in believing there is no objective right or wrong and people should be able to do as they please regardless of how others feel about it), a mindset you seem to have, is a double edged sword. Remember that next time you defend something immoral with the argument of "people have the freedom to do as they please". Because if that belief comes back to bite you, you'll likely rethink your stance. Anyway, if I say anything further I'm just repeating myself. Sign the petition or don't, the choice is yours. I can't make you.

To get the word out some more, also this is off topic section. Legality has nothing to do with morality. It's not telling telling someone to not do something legal just because I don't like it it's trying to get them to stop doing something immoral because it's immoral. I'm certain that if it was legal to do something that harms you than neither of you would be okay with that. I already knew that, however, the money could just directly be donated without killing the animals, and I'm sure those locals are very much capable of providing for themselves, they don't need some white cheerleader from Texas to take care of them. If she really cared she'd just donate instead of paying to kill, she's just pretending to care because saying "I'm just hunting for the lulz" or "I'm just using these animals to get a tv show so I can make more money even tho I'm already rich" wouldn't go down very well. You contradicted yourself, saying it's morally acceptable, then saying it's not. And if it's not, people don't have the right to do it. The only time hunting is acceptable is when there's too many of a species in the area or they're posing a serious threat to others. Hunting for the sake of hunting should not be accepted, an individuals rights are forfeit when those rights begin to harm other living things without sufficient justification. Look I'm not here to argue, I'm just trying to get more people to see this to help get the petition to it's goal. Trying to fight with me over this isn't going to lead anywhere so just don't bother.

http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/ban-and-deny-access-for-hunter-kendall-jones-to-african-states-help-stop-kendall-jones-from-hunting-in-africa Kendall Jones is an American born hunter who has entered the continent and has been hunting African wildlife under the facade of conservation. She has publicly stated that she hopes to have a television hunting show and she is using endangered and helpless African animals as a stepping stone to further her popularity on social media platforms. She has already recieved much protest, peaceful or otherwise from a wide variety of people from all over the world on her social profiles, and has, on those platforms, visibly scoffed and shaken off those protests, claiming that protestors are misinformed, or simply the "sheep" to her "lion" morals. With enough support globally we can take a step in the right direction with regards to animal conservation, and help put an end to practices such as these, in hopes of conserving what precious little is left of our natural world. Please folks, sign this petition, to hopefully keep her from pointlessly killing anymore african wildlife. According to the petition starter (who actually lives in that very country), we're almost at our goal, we just need 6284 sigs. I don't know if this will accomplish anything, but it's worth a try. We've gotten over 140,000 signatures from around the world! It's clear that a lot of people care about this issue. I've followed this story for a while now, and it's clear to me that this woman has zero benevolence in her heart. If she really wanted to help, she'd donate to wildlife conservation with that very money she uses to pay to kill. I don't believe she cares about anything other than exploiting these animals as a stepping stone to the reality tv show she wants to make about her hunting. I'm not against hunting, I'm against unnecessary hunting, and this is what this is. So please, people reading, sign this, and spread the word around as much as you can. Tell your friends, family, whatever, we're too close to the goal to let it fail now (assuming 150k really IS all we need, it better be). Also I'm not here to argue, I'm here to get the word out in order to help put an end to this pointless slaughter. So if you want to sign, okay, if you don't, fine, I can't do anything about that, I just hope this thread helps the petition.