Miles

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I only just now saw this... I wish I had seen your post earlier, because now I've realized something I was inherently taking for granted, and I feel like an arse for doing so: I'm a guy... So, I can't know what it feels like to be a girl and hear someone say "like a girl" - so for this, I sincerely apologize, deeply and truly. Now I realize that I wasn't even qualified to act so dismissing of the phrase. And, I'm glad you brought up "When you say that phrase to a boy in order to make some cheap attack against his masculinity, not only do boys learn that being feminine is shameful, but girls overhear it and also learn that being feminine is shameful" because that is something I get *apples* for myself. Being a sensitive guy, I have been 'put down' for showing femininity by other guys. Though, I normally just turn the other cheek, or possibly say something to defend myself that is kind of unrelated but still gets them to shutup. So, I know how that goes. I think your absolutely right about the fact that girls can be strong, smart, athletic, brave, etc. And, to cover anything possibly misinterpreted from previous posts of mine, I've never said or thought of women as weak. In fact, back when my father and I used to do Tae-Kwon-Do (years ago), when our first instructor left (a guy), our new one was a women... and when my dad had to spar with her to rank up (she, being a black belt; dad being either a green belt advancing to blue, or blue advancing to red) my dad underestimated her, and he got his arse whooped! Though he did well enough to show his skills had advanced, and was ranked up. Lastly, alot of the reason I thought comparing "boys will be boys" to "like a girl" would be nearly equivalent is because I've heard the phrase "boys will be boys" used in both light manners as well as negative manners. Because, in my opinion, "boys will be boys" is not applicable to merely breaking a lamp, as that would be "kids will be kids" - which considers any gender. But now I see that it ("boys will be boys") is much less of an offensive thing to say than "like a girl." I blame the corn for isolating me!

I know that I'm going to sound the odd one out, especially being here on MLPforums (and, I promise, I am a nice, caring, sympathetic person)... But, I think people who can't dismiss these things simply as fallacious and just turn the other cheek are a bit over-dramatic. I myself wouldn't ever say "like a girl" because of the fact that it's a fallacy. And, being a country boy, I've heard many a fellow use the phrase "boys will be boys," including my own mother. As to which, it was only stated in a light and humorous manner. Why should that be offensive? I find it humorously surprising that there are such big differences in my traditional country culture as compared to big city culture. I guess being surrounded by corn isolates us more than I realized ... Now you're talkin'! I absolutely agree with you there ... However, I must say that, those such things couldn't actually be called chivalrous. That's just being polite, mannerly, and respectful. Chivalry will continue being defined as a male doing a good manner for a female. Why is that so bad? I honestly, truly don't know why.

Well, I totally understand where you're coming from. I myself don't actually say either phrase. But, I'm just saying, I'm not bothered when I hear others say them. But yes, generalizations are, ipso facto, fallacious. Well, you're kind of wrong, seeing as, the term "boy" is not equivalent to the term "man" - and thus, "boys will be boys" is not applicable to 25 year olds (or really, any male of the age 21 or older). And, when did I ever talk about "accumulation of behaviors"? I didn't. I really don't know where you were coming from there. Also, I don't really care where it (chivalry) came from. Because, we don't use it in such a way to mean that they can't take care of themselves. That's preposterous. It is not male-centric at all. Maybe thousands of years ago. But the point is, it corresponds specifically to the person utilizing the actions, and what they feel they are doing when they act chivalrous. You can argue with me all you want, but you've got no chance arguing with the traditional/country culture I grew up in and still live in. We are taught to be mannerly. It is a display of respect to be chivalrous. NOT being chivalrous is DISrespectful where I live.

Well, I've been on an insanely long trend (months, seriously) of listening to albums from Adema. I'll put one song from each album (that I have and listen to) here, in spoilers, as to not take up so much space. Fellow rockers, enjoy ... Buckle up for safety 'Cause you're in for a ride... 1. From their first [self-titled] album, the song "Close Friends" 2. From their next album, and EP called Insomniac's Dream, the song "Shattered" (There's a limit of 2 YT videos for embedding in posts here on MLPforums, so these next one's you'll have to open the links to listen to, but I promise, it is absolutely worth it. This next one (#3 might be the best out of the 5 I've listed here.) 3. From their third album Unstable, the song "Co-Dependent" 4. From their fourth album Planets, the song "Shoot the Arrows" 5. From their fifth album Kill the Headlights, the song "Cold and Jaded" If you haven't noticed, they made some slight changes in sound progessing through each album... but they've always stayed true to Nu Metal/Alternative Rock.

I agree with you, Rivendare (Mutant X). I agree that this video is pretty ridiculous because saying "like a girl" to a girl makes literally no sense. Nobody does that. "Boys will be boys" is a perfect example of an equal phrase said about boys. I don't take offense to it at all. EVEN though it's usage is generally used when boys are doing something silly or dumb. Example hypothetical situations: situation 1 person 1: Where's Jimmy? person 2: Oh, he's out muddin' in his truck with his friends. person 1: Didn't he just wash his truck yesterday? person 2: Haha, yah he did. person 1: *sigh* Boys will be boys. person 2: Eeyup. situation 2 person 1: Anyone seen Jimmy? person 2: No I haven't. He's not been at school for 2 days. person 3: Didn't you guys hear? person 1: No, what? person 3: He and Billy got suspended. person 2: No kidding!? What happened? person 3: They got into a fight at recess. I guess Billy pissed off Jimmy because he told Jimmy's girlfriend about the party he went to on the weekend. person 1: So then, how'd the fight go down? person 3: Well, they got into an argument - Jimmy said "Dude I didn't even drink anything man, and now Sara thinks I did! The *apples* did you even say anything for?" and then Billy said "That's a bunch of *apples* and you *apples* know it. *apples* if I care about your girlfriend anyway, that *apples* spread rumors about my sister" Jimmy replied "Oh so now your *apples* talkin' about my gf? *apples* you!" And then Jimmy pushed him into the wall, and the fight broke out. Billy punched him in the gut, but Jimmy got back up and knocked him real good in the jaw, and I guess there was blood everywhere. person 2: Holy *apples*... *sigh* boys will be boys, I guess. person 1: Pretty much. SO.... basically, "boys will be boys" is as much an insult as "like a girl" - and I don't take offense to the former, so what's the big deal with the latter? There are plenty of girls who have proven to be just as good or better in sports, but the thing is, y'all gotta take into consideration that most girls have to train harder than boys in order for them to be as strong. The fact of the matter is that the average female body structure has less muscle mass than the average male body structure. Would you think it fair to match up a team of girls with a team of boys in a tug of war, with the same amount of people on both sides. Derrr... I sure wouldn't. I know that this is gonna tick some people off (if I haven't already)... but why do you think there is no women's football? And why do girls pitch underhand in softball? (not that girl softball pitchers throw slow by any means! I've seen some hardcore girl pitchers who throw harder than alot of the boys in baseball.) - but they throw underhand. You may answer "because softballs are larger" - as to which I ask, why then, don't they use the same size of baseball? Basically, using softballs gives a handicap to the batters. It's easier to hit a softball (with a softball bat, which is larger than a baseball bat), than it is a baseball. So, what's the deal? I'm just saying that, if people are going to say that the phrase "like a girl" is offensive, then women's sports should be played the same way men's sports is played. There should be men and women's football, baseball, basketball (in which, women's basketballs are smaller so it's easier to get into the hoop)... etc. BUT guess what? They aren't. So, I just don't get it. NOW... I am sorry if I offended anyone. I do not mean this to be interpreted incorrectly. I do not think men are better than women. At all. It's just that there are plenty of actual differences that justify anyone to say that men and women are different. They are different. They do things differently. And men and women have different physical body aspects. FWIW, I'm a believer in chivalry. I see it as being kind. I see it as respect. For those of you that disagree with chivalry - fine. I don't really care. I'm still going to do it. I was raised in a traditional setting where being chivalrous is the proper thing to do. Some argue that it pushes gender roles. While that might be true, I believe that in some circumstances, gender roles are fine. I still think that women deserve the same pay in equal jobs. But I don't see how people can get mad at the gender role of males being chivalrous to females.

Okay, so, now you've got me making a list: 3 doors (speaking of only wooden doors) 2 windows in doors that had glass windows a car's side-mirror truck's shifter handle (automatic) a part of the ceiling that hangs too low now has a dent from a baseball bat (when walking down the stairs, I'd hit my head sometimes) some brushes a few tv switches (remotes) Like I said before, got into an argument with my dad and he wouldn't speak to me for 3 days. I've never hit anyone... I take my anger out on inanimate objects. But honestly, I am rarely ever even in that crazy mood. I think people would pay to have the amount of tolerance/patience that I have. I always do my best to turn the other cheek. And usually I can.

Hey, here's something for you - how can it be perfection if everyone (literally everyone) does not agree on what it means? Everyone sees things differently. you say "what if [it] included freewill" - That's non-sequitur. Free will means that people can think for themselves. Since people DO think for themselves, and since people DO have different opinions about a "perfect world," it is absolutely impossible for a perfect world to exist, because people cannot agree on a perfect world. Perfect World opinions are nothing but each own individual's fantasy. Now, I promise you, I'm not trying to be a negative nancy, and I'm not at all pessimistic (actually I'm an Idealist), but... I think we should just start out with something a little bit simpler than a 'perfect world' - you know, like... a better world. I say, let's chill with the perfect world arguments. It's useless. I think this thread should, from here on out, start focusing on ways we could change the world to make it better for everyone... Things that aren't... you know... impossible! Who's with me?

@@Jennabun, thanks. You are always able to make me smile. I'm glad that you created this thread, though. It's probably for the best that I can open up like this. Sometimes I keep too many things all locked inside my head.

Well, most of the time I'm simply an easy-going fellow, since I'm almost always in a good mood. It takes alot to push me over the edge. Really, it does. But, when I do get mad... I get loud, aggressive, and illogical. Normally I'm able to keep myself below my breaking point by just walking away from the situation, muttering things under my breath as I'm leaving (things like "gosh damn you are a *apples* ignorant mother-*apples* ... or things of the like). But, if I am unable to walk away, I get very rammy. Heck, even one time when I did walk away, I broke the glass window of the door going outside because I slammed it so hard. I mean, it shattered... Another time, after having an argument (in which I was yelling loudly), when I was walking away into the other room, I punched the closet door and nearly broke my knuckle because I hit it so hard. A year or two ago, my dad was arguing with my mother and I (yes, my mom and I were on the same 'team' per se)... and my dad and I got into it so badly that we were pretty much in each other's faces. I said some God awful things to him, and once I had cooled down later that night I cried in my room because I didn't mean them... but he wouldn't speak to me for 3 days. If you've not figured it out yet, I believe my mean side's aggressiveness comes from my dad. He was kind of that way when I was younger - when I didn't have a mean side yet. And it probably just found its way into becoming a part of my bad side because of that. But, don't get me wrong. I love my dad. It's just that he's kind of bipolar, and he tends to be pretty extreme when he gets mad. I'm not bipolar, by any means. It really does take alot to get me that mad. I just know now that, well, I'm not going to drink like he does. Now that I think about it, I feel the reason for me usually being such a nice person like 95% of the time is because I try so hard to be nice, because I don't want to be a mean person. I'm a sensitive, loving, caring, empathetic person. And I want that good side of me to show as much as I can make it show, because it's who I am and who I want to be. I don't like being mean. I hate it. And I always end up wishing, after I've done something stupid because of being mad, that I hadn't done it. Gosh, all this negative talk is making me feel down. I could really use a hug right now