Mr. Jaguar

I found it thoroughly unfunny, I only found "shut up applejack" near the end was funny. I wasn't certain whether or not I was supposed to take the whole episode seriously. If it was supposed to be a serious story, it was terrible, if it was supposed to be a comedy, it was also terrible. I don't understand why HotDiggitty decided to turn his comedy tumblr into a serious emotional story all of a sudden, genre jumping is just plain bad writing IMO, especially in this case as he failed to make the serious story he turned his comedy into an interesting one. It didn't even have a story to begin with, it was just the character answering random questions from people posting on the tumblr, in a comedic manner.

Whatever.

Well fanfictions don't need to be ruined, authors just need to state that the events of their story are taking place before the season 3 final.

Fanfiction is inherently not canon anyway, so I don't see why any fanfic author would care. It's not like your stories ever going to be made canon. If it contradicts the lore than it's an alternate universe.

 

What the fuck happened here?

Ok.......I'm going to try one last time to fill in the plot holes of this episode before throwing in the towel.....

1. Why AJ's family let Pinkie Pie work on the farm despite her blatant inability to do the job, why they didn't help her, and why they didn't just try to get AJ back.

Perhaps it was due to Pinkie wanting to work there because he new cutie mark compelled her to, and she begged them to let her stay and for that reason they allowed her. They then left her on the farm alone while they went to search for AJ, which is why they weren't helping Pinkie. To also explain why they were suddenly there to help when AJ came back, perhaps, coincidentally, they had just finally returned from their search when AJ came back with her friends. Due to how horrendously rushed this episode was, all of this was left out.

Alternatively, the memories of everypony in town were altered to make them believe that the ponies belonged at their new jobs. How the entire farm managed to fall into disrepair in one day is beyond me, cartoon logic maybe?

2. Why the entire town (or at least a large amount of the populace) became so miserable that they were hostile to eachother until Pinkie came back

We got two options: Accept the bullshit logic that Pinkie is somehow the one thing that keeps the entire populace of Ponyville (or at least a large amount of the populace) from suffering from a severe case of mass-buttmadness, or argue that the elements of harmony being messed up destroyed the happiness of Ponyville's citizens, which means that the elements are the source of Ponyville's (and possibly all of Equestria's) joy.

3. How Twilight came to the conclusion that the elements being placed on her friends necks while they're relearning their true special talents would bring back their memories and restore their cutie-marks, as well as fixing the elements

Maybe she just assumed that it might work because the elements have been shown to restore harmony in the past, and the full extent of their powers are unknown, so she might of just decided "fuck, I'll throw em on and see if it fixes them".

And finally

4.  Why the Pegasi Weather team didn't stop Rarity from fucking with the weather

Maybe they have days (or one day) that they aren't at work, so the weather goes unwatched, and that just happened to be the day just happened to be the day Rarity fucked with the weather. Then again, even on their off day, you'd think they would have noticed and fixed it. Ya.......I got nothing. This one's pure unjustifyable bullshit.

Well, I think that covers it. Meh, I'll keep watching this show.......I'll forgive this ONE plot hole, so long as no more arise that I can't justify. Hopefully, we wont have any more sub-par episodes like this one.

1. Ah I see where your coming from I think. I dont think they know pinkie is not meant for the job because their places in the world were switched. This was indicated by the fact that Rarity said Rainbow dash's cottage. It they not just that they thought they were meant to do those jobs(though they did believe it)It that they were forcibly thrown into each others places. So the situation is less like they each just thought they were meant to do something and walked to the house they thought was theirs. It more like a magical swap as far as they or anyone else was concerned they had always been doing this. However we reach the problem of pacing again. See no pony in ponyville ever seem to recognize them being were their not supposed to be, but that they are terrible at what they do. However they never say directly that they do or don't. However I think its indicated heavily that they switched places in the world at large in this way as they dont just believe they are meant to do that job but that they have lived in the respective homes of the other ponies as well. Also by the way the animals reacted. Youd think if they recognized Fluttershy they would instantly react, but it takes a bit and they warm up to her. Looking at the mouse with the fork in particular seems to indicate this as he looks at Fluttershy with a cocked eye brow slowly easing in to listen to her. Also looking at Pinkie's re-harmonization she gets in front of the crowd of ponies as her hair poofs up again their faces light up and they shout Pinkies name in excited recognition.

Maybe....but if everypony in town forgot which pony belongs where, than that destroys my theory of the townsfolk being miserable because they missed Pinkie, they were instead miserable because they weren't being amused anymore, which is stupid, I don't buy that they're all miserable simply because of that, or even a large amount of them, unless one wants to argue that the elements being messed up screwed up harmony in ponyville, making folks miserable, I don't know if that could be true. Actually, the theory of everpony not remembering where each pony belong has to be true, or else it makes no sense that AJ's family wouldn't have went to find out where she was and bring her back, unless you want to argue that that's what they were doing while Pinkie was all along at the farm. Then again, your theory of everpony having amnesia is supported by the fact that Fluttershy's animals didn't recognize her at first.

2.)To address the artistic exageration I think there is almost certainly some going on. Again I point to the decay of the trees, not only on the farm but outside of the carousel boutique. Then their return to normal. During "A True True friend" when arriving to the Apple farm we see the trees are dead and decrepid and pinkie is working alone. In one transition we see the trees are restored and only then do we see the apple family working in harmony representing a return to harmony to the farm. As I said before the Apple family in and of itself is a representation of harmony. Another example of visual exaggeration or symbolism is in What my cutie mark is telling me. We see the cutie marks appear on screen next to each other on top of a primary color of the ponie it belongs to. This immediately sets of the recognition of the normal status. Then as they each say that's what my cutie mark  they appear over the mark they've switched with beside the mark that belongs to them. This is exagetated visualization used to show the confusion of the characters.  

 

edit: also keep in mind that this is a musical. Musicals often use symbolic/ exagerated imagery. Granted not all of them do but many animated ones tend to, MLP has in the past. Giigle at the ghostie being an example, Smile song, Grand Galloping Galla(ticket master), Evil Enchantress, Hush now quite now(sweetie belle), Becoming Popular, Perfect Stallion,and BBFF. A great example in animated media is Hellfire from Disneys Hunchback of Notradame. Bearing this in mind it seems you may have gone into the episode with the same mindset you would a normal episode. Whilst its perfectly ok to do this I think it rises the chances of missing info a lot as musicals convey info in a different way.

I still really don't think that that's what they were doing here.

3.) You cant fathom, but you are very close. She realizes the solution looking at a picture of them all together. At that point knowing the most important thing is friendship and its harmony. As you know the elements are connected to the ponies and their talents each of which represent an element and are activated by the harmony of friendship. As Twilight saw in Return of Harmony the connection can be severed when the ponies are forcibly changed. This was done by turning them against their element which is as indicated tied to their talent shown by discord appearing to the ponies as their cutie marks and the shape of the element. When turned against their element they would be unable to perform their talent and unable to use the element. Its a connection that's been severed and needs to be reestablished. In that case(return of harmony) Twilight reminded them of who they were as she had been reminded. In this case she knew she couldn't remind them of who they were but she could show them through friendship what they meant to each other. Knowing the elements were switched she and her friends had show each pony what they were meant for which is connected to their proper element which in turn is tied and activated by the bond of friendship they share. She knew this so by having each pony perform what they were meant for whilst wearing the proper element guided by friendship reactivated the connection. Again a connection Twilight herself realized in the first episode. A connection she had already had to reestablish once before. 

 

Return of harmony is an important part of this as it is mentioned twice and shown once.

I'm still struggling to wrap my head around it, but I just thought of something else. Luna was fixed by the elements, perhaps Twilight thought the elements would help fix her friends like they fixed Luna?

edit: I have come to realize an new plot hole through. Why does spike remember the mane six? I thought that continuity in the episode Cutie Mark Chronicles provided an answer. However it only led to a more troubling plot in that episode. Though I dont think either ruin either of the episodes as they are a small part of the episode when all is considered. 

 

Though I just came to the realization that Spike may be playing the part of Wybie in this episode. Let me explain. In the movie Coraline day Coraline just kinda talked to herself, the large reason Wybie was created was so Coraline didn't look like a lunatic.Spike is really only here so Twilight has some one to talk to. It may also play into the harmony theme as it would seem off to have a main character missing with such a strong underlying theme of unity. I dont know thats just something off topic and interesting, at least I thought it was.

Or maybe because he's a dragon........I don't know, that's stretching it. Also, Kyronea brings up another hole: why did the weather team let Rarity ruin the weather? Ugg, thought I had it figured out, than more holes became visible.

What the fuck happened here?

She isn't solely responsible for the farm's stability. Again the theme of the episode is the importance of harmony/friendship without any of them the farm maybe be in deep trouble particularly Big Mac and Applejack. The apple family are in and of themselves a representation of harmony as has been shown before(sisterhooves social, Flim flam bros). This is emphasized by their reappearance in a true true friend. It also shows the artistic exaggeration going on, as harmony is restored so is the farm, trees that were once dead are alive again. The reunion of the apple family is signifying the return of harmony to the farm. Its also again part of the time constraint, find a way to further show the message intended in an artistic way. Showing Pinkie working together with someone and failing would negate the message of the episode or at least hinder it."

I didn't get any indication that that was supposed to be an artistic exaggeration of her dilemma, so I don't buy it. I could see how AJ being gone could have such a negative impact on the farm, without the extra help from her they wouldn't be able to handle it. I believe it, it's plausible. What I don't understand is, why they would even let Pinkie work there to begin with when she's very clearly incapable of the job, and also would help her, as she very clearly needed help. Maybe you could say they kept her on because she wanted to since her new cutie-mark compelled her, so they were just being nice. Even still, why did they not help her? Were they too busy doing their own tasks that they couldn't spare the time to help her?

Also again exaggeration is defiantly at play here. Trees don't die that fast or regrow that fast. Visual symbolism is being used here to convey a message. This type of thing has been done before in Smile and Giggle at the Ghosties. The real big difference here is that it was never used to this extent, but the exaggerations are still just as silly when taken into full logical context.

Sorry, but I'm not buying the "visual symbolism" theory. There was nothing to indicate that what I was seeing wasn't supposed to be taken literally.

She doesn't just bring joy she seems to negates what frustration and depression would normally be in ponyville overall. Its not shown that shes the only thing that can bring joy, just that shes a major part of it, after all she is the element of laughter. Take away that major element and the frustrations and depression normally negated by pinkie creeps in. The reasons for the depression and frustration would vary just as they did in the smile song, but they dont have the time to show them all individually  So they show the frustration of the ponies as a collective.  Also ponyville is a small town, Im not sure I would consider that a entire civilization. Lets go back to lets smile for a minute. Did you think it was a crazy big plot contrivance that every one Pinkie bumped into was frustrated or depressed in some way?

 

 Did we ever see that much depression in ponyville before the smile song? I dont think so. How about the fact that everyone in the town danced in loving joy with her on the roof tops no less. That song did actually show pinkie bring joy to the entirety of ponyville.  How about other weird things in the past like laughing at horrible tree illusions created by dark magic to make them disappear? How about pretty much immediately realizing your talent in a musical fashion after having your fall broken by butterflies? Why did laughing at magical horror illusions make them go away? Does any of that really make logical sense when you think about it? No its exaggerated artistically to get a point across and convey emotion.

That's the point certain things are going to be exaggerated to the extreme to convey a message. This is a cartoon, that is the point of a cartoon. Take the exaggeration in the smile song and remove pinkie from it. You'd have a similar exaggeration as was seen in this episode, the big difference is they had time to focus on the individual problems pinkie was solving that were causing the depression. So Im not really seeing why this is difficult to believe in the context of past episodes. I mean we've seen one pony bring order to the entire town in winter wrap up. Without Twilight there they were a disorganized frustrating mess.

 

The point of those scenes were to show what happens when the elements of harmony are forcibly removed from their proper places. This isn't the same thing as them leaving on a trip or an adventure. Their entire place in the world was changed. The ponies everyone knew and loved were gone from their position in which each of them played a crucial part replaced by ponies who weren't meant to be there to begin with and as a result sucked at their job. The scenes are exaggerated to show disharmony and emphasizes the the importance of the characters. As has been done before.

You know what, maybe they were upset because Pinkie wasn't around anymore, and for all we know, to be fair, it wasn't all of them, it looked like a LARGE amount, but not all. Perhaps it is plausible that a large amount of the citizens of Ponyville were miserable because they missed Pinkie.

To sum it up Twilight's prior knowledge of the working of the elements along with her realization of the harmony of friendship are what lead her to the conclusion this will work. Its not just slapping the element on and praying, its using the proper element in harmony with the proper pony whilst performing the proper talent reestablishing a connection. Its that connection that enables the elements to function in the first place Twilight knows this. Its a connection Twilight realized in the first place in the first(technically second) episode when facing nightmare moon.

Okay, the elements are tied to their cutie marks (as Twilight already knew since Starswirl's spell she cast switched their elements which in the process switched their cutie-marks, indicating an obvious connection between the two). However, I still can't fathom how she came to the conclusion that the elements being put back on their necks would help restore their memories and cutie-marks. I don't, I just don't.

Wow, that's really her justification? I thought it was something fans came up with to explain it. Excuse me for a moment, I need to go to the hospital and get my sides stitched back together. My intense laughter has caused them to split apart.

I actually don't think it's unbelievable, I can actually see why they'd only make ponies princesses based on their good....ness. It's certainly better than letting some psycopath have the throne simply because he or she is part of the royal family. But their needs to be a limit to how many ponies can be princess, I assume there is, I don't think they'd have hundreds of princesses ruling one kingdom at the same time. It's......a passable justification, at the very least.

So...according to Meghan Mcarthy, being a princess in equestria is apparently something that is earned for being a good pony:

http://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/Alicorns

"princess [in Equestria] is a designation that’s earned, not freely given and though princesses have specific leadership roles in pony society, being one really means 'being a good pony who shares the gifts that they have been given with others.'"

.......... OKAY!!! So, um, I guess it's like a fancy title given to ponies who are really good people, as a reward for their.....goodness........um......UM......UUUUUUUUUUM, so, wait, it isn't about NEEDING another ruler, but it's basically a reward for being a good person (but they still have leadership duties)? O.....KAY.......THEN........But, you know, er, they should probably have a limit on how many ponies can be princess at a time, because I don't think they want, let's say,500 princesses simultaneously. And that doesn't redeem every other plot hole in the episode.

1:You really don't see how the farm would most likely fail without her? Other than her who is really capable of all the heavy lifting? Pretty much Big Mac. Apple Bloom while useful cant really do what Apple jack is capable of and Granny smith is to old.

It's never been indicated or implied that Applejack was the sole thing keeping the farm from running down. Also, her siblings still should've helped instead of letting Pinkie run the orchard into the ground.

Your also missing the entire point. Its the harmony of the Apple family that keeps the farm running. Its not just Applejack they cant do without its all of them. Its the message that permeates through the entire episode. Pinkie is shown doing everything alone as to focus on her character dilemma. This more a problem with pacing there's not enough time to explore the concepts presented

Of course the fast degeneration of the farm is just as much an artistic representation of this and of course is exaggerated. Then again exaggeration is key in animation and the whole series relies upon it. It is unlikely the farm would deteriorated that fast. Then again we are talking about a world in which all weather phenomena along with pretty much everything else are created and guided by magical ponies so...is this really all that unbelievable?

Ya, I don't buy it, sorry. I think it's just poor writing, I didn't get the impression that it was just to show that Pinkie was miserable with what she was doing, that really, really sounds like a stretch.

2:You really haven't seen how Pinkie brings about happiness in ponyville? An entire song was dedicated to it. The Smile song in season 2 was used not only to show that spreading happiness was Pinkie's purpose in life but it also showed that yes she did have an effect on all of ponyville. Effectively that song did show that Pinkies presence was largely responsible for preventing depression and negative emotions from creeping into ponyville. You also missed the point. Again the present theme of harmony and friendship is here. Each of the ponies is an Element of Harmony their presence is integral to keeping the harmony ponyville normally enjoys. The purpose here is to show what would happen when that was taken away. The elements of harmony were scrambled. With each respective pony removed from their proper place in the world so too were the effects of the element they represent. 

I was aware that she brings joy to ponyville, that was established, what was not established was that she was the sole source of Ponyville's happiness. And also, why were they miserable without her? Why is she the only thing that can make them happy? What's making them miserable? It wasn't Rarity messing up the weather, as they were still grumpy afterwards, it was not until Pinkie came along that they all became happy again. I don't believe that one person can be the sole source of an entire civilization's happiness when there is no reason given as to why the citizens are even miserable to begin with.

3:Once again you have missed the entire point. Twilight realized that only the harmony of friendship could solve this. Only through the direct personal help and guidance of "a true friend" could the problem be fixed. It was Twilight's accumulated knowledge and understanding of the importance of friendship that allowed her to solve the problem . She knew and it had been established that no form magic spell could help the situation. So she used a lesson she learned earlier in the season in Magical Duel. That being the bond of friendship trumps magical prowess and understanding alone. Using that bond and her clever mind to solve the problem rather than a magical device or spell.

That doesn't address my point at all, which is that she came to the conclusion that slapping their elements back on them would somehow give them back their memories of their special talents, despite no explanation being given as to how she came to that conclusion, as the elements have never been shown to be capable of such a thing.

4:Well for one thing princesses have never really made sense in this show. It seems blatantly obvious Celestia and Luna are far more than just princesses their very presence brings balance to all life. So if that's really a problem for you its one that permeates the entire show. What it means to be a princess is never explained. However that wasnt the point of the episode. The point of the episode in regards to the princess thing was to show what lead up to the change and then end on it. Considering this is an ongoing series and the main character is now a princess we are probably finally going to get some answers. As Celestia said though that will come later.

 

Also it seems to be indicated that Celestia merely helped the process along. Notice the magic doesn't come from Celestia, it comes out of Twilight herself. That's the point, Twilight reached this point from her own understanding, her own power within, and its that power that allows her to move to this next big stage in her life.

This doesn't address the point of mine you're responding to either, my complaint was that there is no reason given as to why they even needed another princess to begin with. For the entirety of the show, Celestia and Luna have been shown to be able to run the nation just fine without a third princess, now, suddenly, they're making Twilight a princess to rule along with them. Why? What's the point? There is none, that's the problem.

In the words of Robert Holmes (one of the most famous Doctor Who wrtiers since there seem to be a lot of DW fans in the Brony community), you can't let a little thing like continuity get in the way of good storytelling.

 

 

Good storytelling doesn't have continuity errors or plot holes, that's bad storytelling.

I find it extremely hard to believe that nothing will have changed with Twilight's life after becoming a princess. Don't rulers have....you know.....responsibilities? She's co-leading an entire country, I don't see how that wouldn't interfere with her life in any way. People keep saying this is supposed to change the show, but Tara is saying it won't, so......

I thought the same thing about One Bad Apple until my second viewing. In an episode like this I find it imperative for at least a second viewing.Your saying there a ton of plot holes. What are they?

 

 

 

 

 

- The entirety of Sweet Apple Acres somehow falls into a barren craphole simply because Applejack isn't there to help, which doesn't make much sense, I don't see how her help was what kept the entire farm afloat, I can see it getting more difficult to keep things running, but run down completely? It was never indicated in the show that she was that necessary to the farms survival, and now, suddenly, without her the farm goes to shit.

- Big Mac and Applebloom are never shown helping Pinkie Pie, leaving her to do all the farm work by herself even tho she is clearly incapable of the task. This makes no sense for obvious reasons.

- The citizens of ponyville somehow devolved into an angry, hostile mob where nobody gets along, only because Pinkie Pie wasn't there to make them laugh........seriously? I mean, seriously? First off, that just doesn't make any sense, I don't see why an entire city of people need a clown to entertain them so that they aren't wanting to tear eachother's throats out. You may be able to argue that it was due to Rarity making the town's weather constantly awful, but they were shown to still be miserable even after the weather was fixed, as Pinkie was the last to be cured. Also, there's never been any indication that Pinkie has been the sole source of Ponyville's happiness before, this came out of nowhere. Ya, I don't buy it.

- Somehow, Twilight comes to the conclusion that throwing her friend's respective elements on their necks will remind them of their special talents......despite there being no rational explanation for how she came to that conclusion. It was "I'll use my friends love for eachother to get them to help eachother remember their special talents" and then, somehow she came to the conclusion that throwing their respective elements on their necks would remind them of their special talents.........WHAT?

And lastly

- Princess Celestia made Twilight an alicorn princess just for what she has accomplished and learned while living in Ponyville. Okay, maybe you could argue that Twilight has shown that she has the good qualities of a leader, but, even then, why did they even need a third princess? It's never explained, Celestia and Luna have never been shown to have any issues running the country on their own, so it makes no sense for them to need another princess. What is the point, what does it accomplish, why? We got this big event happen, without any justification for it to happen. It just does.

So here's a slice of Swiss Cheese:

As you can see, this episode has more holes than this slice of swiss cheese. I rest my case.

I have to say, tho, the amount of people going from hating the episode to loving it merely by watching it a second time is........suspicious. It's just that I seriously doubt that one could hate something for perfectly valid reasons, then magically like it even tho the issues were not resolved. I feel as though those saying they suddenly like it after watching it a second time even tho they hated it at first are, in reality, forcing themselves to like it, I believe due to the fact that they do not want to accept the terribly reality that it disappointed them, and so make themselves think they like it. I am not saying anyone here really is, and I do not mean any offense whatsoever, that's just my honest suspicions, if anyone really is, than all I'm gonna say is, don't, just don't. You don't have to like it, trust your feelings, don't try to make yourself feel a way you really don't.

It's not that I don't believe anyone could like this episode (I do find it extremely hard to believe, tho), nor do I have any problem with those who do , but I seriously doubt that one could go from hating something for valid reasons, to liking it even tho the problems they had with it were not resolved, unless some serious mental gymnastics were used to justify the problems they had with it.

If you watch it again you have the potential to see things you didn't before. MLP is a very show don't tell show, even when they do have expository dialog many things are left to be shown visually. Many things I see people calling episode breaking plot holes in episodes are explained in the episode visually or through continuity. Watching a second time gives a fresh perspective. I hated One Bad Apple when I first watched it, but on a second viewing I actually liked it.   

I'm very secure in the fact that I did not like it, I payed full attention the entire episode, and found it to be full of more plot holes than a slice of swiss cheese. That will not change after watching it a second time, the only way I could like it is if I forced myself to like it, but I've learned to trust my true feelings and not force myself to believe I feel a certain way that I really don't. I have accepted the reality that the finale was terrible, and as much as I wish that was not the case, it's just the way it is. Lying to myself by telling myself I like it won't change that, nothing will. It happened, it sucked, and I'm just gonna deal with it.

Here's my recommendation. Watch it twice. 

The first time I watched it, I hated it. And everything I previously said that they should have changed still stands.

But I went back and watched it again and I actually liked it! Perhaps it made more sense, or maybe it was because I realized that everything needs to change to keep things fresh. Whatever it was, the second time I saw the episode I found it rather enjoyable! 

I still think it was rushed, yes, but it wasn't a bad episode after all

 

Plus, twilight looks freaking awesome with wings, you can't deny that

 

Just don't give rarity wings. Remember what happened last time? xD

If I watch it again, the plot holes and the rushed story will still be there, so I'll still dislike it, unless I do the most spectacular mental gymnastics possible in order to justify every fault in the plot. Which I won't, because I would no longer respect myself. I also have no desire to subject my eyes, ears and brain to that bile ever again.

Well, speaking just for myself, I have no intention of writing the show off just because of this episode.  I was looking forward to seeing Twilight "graduate", and I'm glad she did.  I just have some issues with how they executed it, and I can't help but think that the season opener is going to have to retroactively explain this episode in order to bridge the gap.

 

But is the series ruined?  Maybe, maybe not.  It's up to the writers to decide.  I still have hope.  I was just quite disappointed with this finale.

I'll say this, if all the plot holes in this episode are left unexplained, than yes, it will most likely irredeemably ruin the show for me. I hope that everything will be explained, but I don't have much optimism at this point. Sad, how a show can be good for so long and then all of a sudden, one episode comes along, and throws it under a bus, where it is mangled beyond repair. But like I said, hopefully season 4 will fix it, and at the end of the day, it's just a TV show, so if it's ruined than whatever.

All in all, after watching this episode, season 4 is looking pretty grim to me. Maybe it'll be good, but I dunno.....after this episode, I just don't know.

Even if you could argue that all that she's accomplished and learned while living in ponyville makes her fit for rulership (which I don't agree with), there were absolutely no implications throughout the course of the series that this was going to happen. No buildup, none, it just happened all of a sudden and we're expected to believe it. Also, why do they need another ruler? Is 2 not enough? They never explain why they needed a third princess. What exactly was the point?

what? when I started to make fun of anyone? who quoted me first? you! not me. I only made my impressions of the episode and then you had the idea of quoting me.

Calling people "butthurt" when they say they don't like the episode is mocking them, if you like the episode, that's cool, I don't care, but don't make fun of people who don't simply because they don't. And that's all I'm gonna say.

it wasn't that bad, don't exagerate. Besides, this is not the first time they do a "poor" plot, so you shouldn't be surprised at all, we bronies tend to have our standards as high as Cloudsdale is located *geez*

 

 

 

To put it simple and quick, I was right, you are SUPER butthurt, this is another reason why the magic of friendship is so powerful and this event shows it.

But I'm wasting my time with you, I will not make you see.

No, my standards are that a plot be fucking coherent, believable, and interesting. I don't believe that too high of standards. And if you're going to resort to making fun of anyone who doesn't like this episode, then I'm done talking to you.

the fact that Twilight became an alicorn blinded you with disaproval for the episode that you can't see the epicness of it.

Or, alternatively, the illogical, hideous, revolting abomination of a plot is the reason those of us who don't like it don't like it.

the songs were ALL really really good

and YES it was totally rushed, but hey, you only get 22 minutes

and you probably don't realize that this is a 3 parter btw

and yes, Twilight became a Alicorn BECAUSE she was able to figure out a spell that Starswirl could not (and yes its kinda corny)

I guess if your an Alicorn than your Royalty from what it seems

Ya I really don't think the rest of this 3 parter will justify the amount of pure bullshit in this episode. They gave a justification for her becoming a leader, it was a terrible one tho, so it's not like it's something we get to find out the "why" to later on, we got the why, but it's bovine fecal matter. Tho there's also still the explanation as to why they even needed another princess in the first place, I have a strong feeling that it won't get explained, there was nothing in this episode that hinted that anything more about why she became princess will be explained, I think this is one big shit stain that ain't going away I'm afraid.

And the end of the day, it's obvious Hasbro forced them to do this for the sake of selling new toys, and as a result they've left one big piece of crap on the show's storyline.

Ok, I did not like this one. First off, what was with all the songs? Like, 90% of the episode was pure singing. Second, the plot. Okay, I said I was neutral to the idea of alicorn princess Twilight, and would reserve judgement till I saw the episode. But now that I've seen it, I gotta say: what the actual fuck, Studio B, what the actual fuck? The issue Twilight's friends had began and was resolved WAY too fast, there's just nothing to say to that other than that it was rushed beyond what I would say is acceptable. It happened, then boom, it was over. Literally. What was the even the point? And then she becomes a princess, okay, I thought this could be done well, but they failed utterly to pull it off well. There was no logical reason given as to why she became princess, as it was never explained why they even needed a third princess (Celestia and Luna are still around), and she's not even royalty, the latter of which I could maybe overlook, but the former I certainly cannot.

In short, the issue of the episode was wrapped up way too fast, and there was absolutely no logical reason given as to why Twilight became princess, all she has done in ponyville does not justify it. So no, I did not like this episode, I'll even go so far as to say this is hands down the single worst episode of this entire show.

So I was right?

Criminal Scum, I.......

It'd be watched, but it wouldn't be outright locked, no. We've had topics like it in the past, some locked, some not. Honestly I wonder if we don't have a topic like that in the Lounge already.

It's that I'm worried it'd get out of control again like the other thread (you know.......) and get locked. I would however make it abundantly clear as to what constitutes an appropriate image and what constitutes an inappropriate image, and would report anything that crosses the line. To my knowledge, there is no such thread here, so I may or may not make one, since apparently it's okay.