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...So what? It doesn't make any difference.

Option #3: Neither of them.

Because I'm specifically talking about S4. Bringing up examples from S2 isn't going to change anything since I've made it pretty clear that season two, and even season three to an extent, handled Rainbow Dash really well. What? I didn't say every Rainbow Dash episode had the same theme. P.S: the "at least three" episodes I was referring to are FiMP2, Rainbow Falls, and Trade Ya. Despite the fact that I never said it was a problem, I will say that using a characters' element or shtick constantly for their focus episodes (i.e Fluttershy) is a very weak route to take and, as to address the topic, is a terrible way conduct themes and storylines in general. Especially when you've done it before already. There's no right and wrong when addressing the ego of celebrities in the modern world. It's just a fact. Not sure why you find me impossible to reason with since I'm not being stubborn, but this is pretty basic point-counterpoint debating. I don't know how we've managed to take this conversation out beyond Mare Do Well, but my original point was that this episode is not the problem and is not bad by any means. It's one of the most clever and well-thought out episodes in the series, but its execution and effects 20+ episodes later have made it pretty useless. Perhaps this also contributes to its reputation. Looking at this episode on its own, the Mysterious Mare Do Well is realistic and honest. It doesn't skate around anything to get right to the point, and the other main characters' reaction and dealing with Rainbow Dash was not, by any stretch of the conceivable imagination, hypocritical. This trope is used in books, films, TV, and real life all the time. If you (the fandom, not you personally) can't get past that because it's not your particular way of dealing with the situation, I don't know what to tell you. I've seen people act like jerks around jerks to show them that they are jerks in real life and the realms of storytelling. It's the intent that matters in this situation, not the delivery.

No, but it's annoying the hell out of several viewers, including myself. Just because you can ignore the dialogue doesn't mean others have to as well. Is the CMC arc hurting anyone? No. Is it annoying and repetitive? Yes. There is no difference between this and the too many of Rainbow Dash's portrayals whenever she's not the focus post-Mare Do Well Why act like that knowing it's going to piss someone off? Maybe because your goal is to piss that someone off? The whole point of Mare Do Well was to give RD a taste of her own medicine. It's not like complimenting each other's actions was going to make a difference considering Dash wouldn't have known the difference at the time. But I'm talking about her attitude and dialogue in S4 while you're bringing up earlier episodes as well as episodes that have nothing to do with the topic at hand. Honestly, the only episode you've brought up that had any validity against my claim was "Wonderbolt's Academy." I said she's regressing by forgetting lessons she's learned and slowly becoming more arrogant. That implies there was a point in time when the character was progressing. Sleepless in Ponyville is the height from which she fell from. And, to be honest, the episode was brilliant because of Scootaloo. I couldn't have cared less about Rainbow Dash, despite her being a major plot device. Rainbow Dash pushes herself in the right direction all the time. Friendship is Magic, Part 2, May the Best Pet Win, The Mysterious Mare Do Well, Rainbow Falls, etc. More specifically, RD's whole motivation was her loyalty to her friends, which has been part of or was entirely the theme of at least three RD episodes. Because it's the Shadow Bolts scene in FIMP2 stretched out into 22 minutes. That's about as bluntly as I can put it. I meant that it addressed the real world nicely, but you may take that out of context if you want. Thank you, iPad, for posting my reply before I was finished with it.

I don't remember any one else in the episode being egotistical. If anything, every other character that wasn't the general public of Ponyville were acting better than Rainbow Dash. Episodes at the beginning of season four (Daring Do, off the top of my head), showed that she was still self-indulgent [enough]. A quote from her at the end of that episode: "Came this close to blowing it because I got so wrapped up in how awesome she was, I almost forgot about how awesome I was." The whole third act of that episode felt like they were trying to showcase that point when it really wasn't necessary. Also, from Rainbow Falls: Twilight Sparkle: "Ponyville is very lucky to have you." Rainbow Dash: "Yeah, I'm pretty awesome." These among others I'm forgetting. It's the fact that this dialogue is so useless and meaningless that drives me insane. Omitting these lines wouldn't have made much difference to anything, but someone writing the scripts said "let's fill a couple of seconds in this episode just to remind everyone that Rainbow Dash is really arrogant." Arrogance and ego was a big part of Smokescreen's arc from Transformers: Prime. He did in 10 episodes what Rainbow Dash is taking four, maybe five, seasons to do. My point being, the shtick's getting old and worn out. This is also why shorter series are generally more successful writing-wise to shows that are being dragged out like this one. Characters take forever to mature drastically. Now, as far as my comments about S3 and 4, I'm referring to the episodes where her dialogue and attitude was completely uncalled for. I am not, however, referring to episodes like "Testing, Testing, 1, 2, 3" where her overconfidence was a huge part of the plot and the character ended up developing well. Everything that the characters said and did in that scene, and others, was with Rainbow Dash in mind. Knowing she'd get jealous, the other five wanted to show her what she was acting like. It's the kind of moral delivery that forcefully makes the character look in the mirror for a change. Which was season two, 15 episodes after Mare Do Well. The effects of that episode were still pretty recent and her character was much more mature by this point. Another brilliant episode that I'm not really talking about. I'd be more welcoming of this episode if it wasn't another rehashed moral. This wasn't anything new, especially for this series. Her attitude in this episode, however, was tolerable. I probably shouldn't have mentioned season three, as I'm referring more to the fourth than the third. Nothing in this episode should have been a conflict. If anything, the story should have come to a conclusion seven minutes in. It didn't, of course, and we had Rainbow Dash regressing to a state of actually having difficulty choosing between her friends and her dreams. Also, you can refer to the quote I posted above. She wasn't learning the same lesson in May the Best Pet Win. Yes, she was very egotistical in that episode. However, she wasn't boasting about her accomplishments and self-indulging like she was an episode later. So it's no wonder I didn't bring that up, considering that's not even what I'm talking about. I disagree with Mare Do Well being forced and unrealistic. It seems like Equsetria got a taste of the real world here, and under the correct circumstances. They weren't just teaching kids a theme here, they were rather subtly addressing the egos of [young] celebrities in the media as I've mentioned before. Basically, I'm trying to defend Mare Do Well as much as possible. Is it one of the best episodes in the series? No way. But I don't think it deserves half as much of the shit it gets compared to the lacks reception of some other episodes. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A couple more things that makes an episode flawed, as if my posts above haven't highlighted them enough, is cliché stories and rehashed morals. If I've heard it before, I don't want to hear it again.

- Poor dialogue (way too many episodes) - Mind-numbingly annoying characters (way too many episodes) - Messy stories (Power Ponies, Filli Vanilli, etc.) - Clumsy themes (Bridle Gossip, One Bad Apple, any of the forced "Friendship is Magic" crap past S3) - Flanderization to holy hell (Filli Vanilli, Rainbow Falls) - Characters-out-of-character...to holy hell (Rainbow Falls) - All of the above (Simple Ways) Inb4everyepisodeisflawed You have to be talking about Rainbow Dash. She's been egotistical since The Ticket Master. In fact, the pilot is the only time the character is tolerable because her arrogance is so scarce that it's virtually nonexistent. After that, she became more and more unbearable. Mare Do Well attempted to take this to a new extreme so that the character could come back to being the more likable personality from the pilot. However, future portrayals of her in S3, EQ, and S4 have shown they want to forget that she ever remotely learned this kind of lesson in favor of make her even more of an asshole. Why pin this on the one episode that at least tried to get it right for once? I will agree that the ego became a problem when it interfered with her morals in the episode. At the same time, I didn't really find this interference unrealistic. We see people in the real world drop their morals in favor of their pomposity all the time. Celebrities, as a matter of fact, which were the type of people the episode was addressing. How many young celebrities do you know of that have suffered from this problem in the past? I'm not referring to anyone in particular, by the way. As far as the character being spoon-fed the moral, honestly, I think Rainbow Dash was stupid enough in this episode to deserve it. I'd defend her learning her lesson a lot more if future episodes didn't ignore the fact that she learned it in the first place. I don't need to count more than one of these flanderizations in S3 or 4 where we should say "that's way too many," especially for a character who so desperately needed the development. She's regressing more and more each season. Again, I really don't think this episode is the problem; it was the only attempt at a solution.

What is this spirit? Why is it located under a lake? Where did it come from and why is it using Rainbow Dash? Why is there no other alternative but to fight her? Does the spirit have too much power for one pony to evade or deal with by other means? If so, why does such a powerful being need a Pegasus in the first place?

Because I like the show and don't give half a fuck about what anyone else thinks about that.

1) What the hell? 2) Didn't we go through this with "Power Ponies?" 3) What purpose would this serve? 4) What the hell? 5) Isn't this kind of dark for TV-Y? 6) Don't you think this is a bit ridiculous? 7) How come Pinkie Pie doesn't get a nickname? 8) What the hell? 9) Why did I ask #7? I don't even like this idea. 10) Basically Doctor Who Series 8 intro behind "Storm Blade." 11) Storm Blade? 12) Just in case I haven't mentioned it... ...What the hell?!?! Hope that sums it up.

What? Twilight Sparkle specifically points out the fact that everyone has an equal sign for a cutie mark in that scene! These cutie marks are an important part of the plot, not a placeholder.

Everyone in this town is the same and equal with no defining traits or anything that makes them unique. Pretty self-explanatory. That'd be fine...if everyone in that scene didn't have the same cutie mark.

We already know Rainbow Dash's full name:

Maybe, but I'm referring to content in season 4, after "Wonderbolt's Academy." Some of Rainbow Dash's dialogue in "Castle Man-ia," "Daring Don't," "Rainbow Falls," "Three's a Crowd," and a few others completely ignore these attitude adjustments to add useless dialogue showboating how awesome she thinks she is. And it's on a big enough scale that it's like the writers as a whole are treating the character as if "The Mysterious Mare Do Well" never existed rather than making a honest mistake, like Pinkie Pie in "Filli Vanilli."

Well, it worked when I had it up initially. Oh well; it has been replaced with boring text instead. I'd actually make that episode have more of an impact. That was the episode that could've and should've developed Rainbow Dash's attitude, but the writers completely ignored The Mysterious Mare Do Well because "f*** it, Rainbow Dash needs to say stupid shit today."

If I got a hold on this show: Magical Mystery Cure would have been handled a better. Episodes like Simple Ways, Rainbow Falls, One Bad Apple, Filli Vanilli, Power Ponies, and Daring Don't would never exist. The CMC's would have their cutie marks already. Rainbow Dash would have stopped being an ass back in season 2. A Celestia episode would probably exist by now. Applejack's parents would have been addressed - they would be dead. Someone in Fluttershy's family would have appeared or at least have been mentioned by this point. Equestria Girls would be better. Rainbow Rocks would not have been made. The show would have probably ended already (not that I'm not stoked for season five, but things wouldn't be dragging around like they are and therefore a season five probably wouldn't be necessary). That is all...I think. *cough* Discord *cough*

Zap apples taste like zap.

Seriously, what the hell are you talking about?

"We're gonna use [Equestrian Magic] to make everyone adore us." *strikes asinine poses*

Some episodes I realize that my initial judgement was completely wrong upon visiting them again, like Rarity Takes Manhattan. Others I discover are worse than I remembered and my previous meal ends up in chunks on the floor. Thanks, Rainbow Falls...One Bad Apple...Simple Ways... And now I need an aspirin. Thanks for that.

My version of this show would be really sick. My stories are generally mature and are not afraid to get dark and brutal. Also, there's not always a happy ending and everything comes at a cost.

I technically watched the show before learning about the fandom. However, I wasn't invested in the series until I watched a couple of fan-animated videos on YouTube. I really didn't care that there was a fandom of adults considering there are plenty of children-based interests of mine that have a older cult following.

I'm only going to see Rainbow Rocks for the sake of reviewing it. I'm pretty sure this movie's going to bomb.