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Has Season Four been good to Rarity?
Whatevs replied to Commander_PonyShep's topic in MLP:FiM Canon Discussion
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Has Season Four been good to Rarity?
Whatevs replied to Commander_PonyShep's topic in MLP:FiM Canon Discussion
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Inaugural post, a review of For Whom The Sweetie Belle Toils
Whatevs commented on Whatevs's blog entry in Whatevs' Thoughts
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Inaugural post, a review of For Whom The Sweetie Belle Toils
Whatevs posted a blog entry in Whatevs' Thoughts
Hey. I've decided to make one of these blogs just to get my perspective out there and see if people like it. Being the first entry any constructive criticism would be greatly appreciated. I have not written anything like this in a long while and sadly I waited too long to do it so many of the ways I wanted to present these ideas were forgotten so any advice would be welcome. At this point I don't think reviewing the episode traditionally is at all necessary. Many other people have done that, and better than I could. The pacing was perfect, the visuals were great and the episode was able to pull off being lighthearted or serious whenever it needed to be either. Instead I am going to focus on one aspect of the episode that I feel could be expanded upon: how this episode developed and explored both Sweetie Belle's and Rarity's characters. Fair warning: this is off the cuff. Let's start with Sweetie. The obvious is that it added a new facet to her character, jealousy towards her sister and anger towards feeling overshadowed. The main pitfalls of an episode like this are: having this flaw come across as contrived and making the character unsympathetic. Polsky avoided both through the 5th birthday Subplot. Wherein Sweetie wants to make a grand entrance like the "belle at the ball." Wait... I've heard that line before. Showing Sweetie's desire to shine here helped the episode immensely. The indirect rejection made the audience feel sorry for her, and the existence of the subplot made the conflict seem more organic to her character. With both pitfalls avoided one could appreciate how the episode played out. But rather than focus on that (as other reviewers have) let's look at how this affects Sweetie's character retroactively, particularly how she responds to her sister. It makes her desire to help Rarity into a desire to have a hand in her sister's success and catch her radiant glory as well as casting a new dimension on her... loose conception of personal property. I am referring to a few moments in Season 1 when Sweetie would "borrow" supplies from Rarity. Again, not unreasonable to assume she's trying to shine here. However, the episode is not just about Sweetie. It is about her relationship with Rarity. And this is where the episode truly shined in my opinion. Through this, it was able to develop not just Sweetie Belle but Rarity as well. Referencing the "Belle of the Ball" earlier, this was of course, a line from the song Becoming Popular. Sung by Rarity. This suggests parallelism between Rarity's and Sweetie's desires to shine and be noticed. Both are innocent desires to be adored and appreciated by others for who they are and what they can do. This, after all, was what Becoming Popular was about. Rarity finally makes it into the circle she always wanted and revels in the attention lavished on her. Some have confused this as some kind of egomania or narcissism on her part. But I will leave that for another blog where I go into more depth about Sweet & Elite in general as I have seen many people misunderstand what Rarity was doing in that episode. And as a result, disparage either her or the episode itself. In addition to this, there is the obvious character development for Rarity as we are shown her being a conscientious sister (which makes sense as her takes a sisterly role with many of her friends, particularly Fluttershy and Twilight) but also she is far more patient with Sweetie in this episode that in Sisterhooves. Some may argue that she is too saintly in this episode (presumably to discredit her or the episode). I disagree. Even though Rarity is more patient with Sweetie Belle, she is not an infinitely understanding saint. At the end Rarity still becomes frustrated by Sweetie. Not to mention that Rarity seems out of her depth when confronted by Sweetie's admittedly petty concerns. I enjoyed this a lot as well as their relationship still has the same realistic depth to it as before. They're never perfect but also never dysfunctional (aside from that lame gag in Sleepless, which was temporary as they were very close in that episode as well). So there's no cause for alarm there. But really, this is what always made Sweetie and Rarity's relationship resonate with me more than Applejack and Applebloom's. They have this kind chemistry and a deeper relationship. Despite being different people, they mirror one another in a way that siblings often do. Which makes their relationship a lot more interesting, and more touching in my opinion. Kindly leave your thoughts below, I would love to hear them.- 2 comments
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For Whom the Sweetie Belle Tolls Review *SPOILERS*
Whatevs commented on Commander_PonyShep's blog entry in My Little Pony Review Blog
I don't think it needs to be called a plothole, the contrast between this and Sisterhooves. Sisterhooves was just Rarity getting frustrated and unfairly lashing out at Sweetie. It was just a fight. But yea, I agree somewhat with the broader point. They do a good job having Rarity be generous but they frequently undermine it by carelessly having her be selfish. Usually this is for extraneous comedy, as I don't consider her focus episode indiscretions to be evidence that she's 'selfish' as she is not motivated by a selfish desire and they're usually just her handling things poorly. -
Why do people say that Celestia is weak/cowardly?
Whatevs replied to Rarity Paige Belle's topic in MLP:FiM Canon Discussion
This is off the cuff, and is of course just a guess based on what I personally have seen and in absence of better data: Convenience and a desire to believe it. It's sort of like the whole "Rarity is selfish" thing. Except less justified as Rarity has done self centered things (but calling her selfish belies, imo, a misunderstanding of what selfishness is and how selfish people operate). Whereas with Celestia, we have a character who is a benevolent deity designed to give legitimacy to the actions and morality of the characters involved but can never get too involved herself. Rather than deal with the fact that this a common trope (of some kind), to some it makes more sense to call her cowardly. It's sort of like calling the canonically physically strongest main character 'weak' because many episodes revolve around him losing contests of strength, forgetting that the only reason they use this plot line with said character is because he is the strong guy and therefore being beaten means something. -
Not a problem. This episode was good because it explored both Rarity and Sweetie Bell's character through the relationship The obvious analogous nature to celestia and Luna Also the parallels between Sweetie and Rarity: both wanting to shine, becoming distraught etc The 5th birthday party subplot made the whole thing seem not contrived. It also succeeded in making me care about Sweetie and wanting to see her succeed (the big pitfall of episodes like this is not caring about the protag when they've done something wrong) It had great visuals with the nightmare sequence. It was extremely well paced The performances by Tabitha and Claire were great It had good gags (Rarity almost saying bitch) It was serious when it needed to be, lighthearted when it could be It built on Rarity's character development from Sisterhooves, but it did not turn her into an infinitely understanding saint as she still got (rightfully) annoyed with Sweetie towards the end. And it characterized Sweetie more than any prior episode. before she was basically Gidget (character played by Sally Fields).
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Batbrony Reviews "S04:E19 - For Whom the Sweetie Belle Toils"
Whatevs commented on Batbrony's blog entry in Straight From The Batcave!!!
Great review, however I must agree with Ghostfacekiller when it comes to Rarity's performance. Rarity's best performances have been Suited for Success and Sweet & Elite (if you disgree with the last one, feel free to say why as I've notoced most people who do disagree are mistaken as to what goes on in that episode). And while she was perfectly done in this episode (with noce character development which puts her further over Dash's) it fails to match up to those deeper performances. I also personally feel that people are giving Luna too much credit. Yes this is her best appearance outside of LE (because in Sleepless she was just an exposition dumper) but in my opinion to praise her is to overstate her role and inpractice diminish the real stars of the show: Sweetie and Rarity.- 9 comments
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There are so many things to comment on in this episode that made me like it. I just may have to write a blog on it so i can flesh out my ideas. But I think the parallelism between Rarity and Sweetie was even more significant than the comparisons to Celestia and Luna. I also liked the character development Rarity got as she was very patient (albeit confused) with her sister this time around. But at the same time she was not an infinitely understanding saint as she did get annoyed with Sweetie towards the end during the chase(understandably so).
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Very good episode. Fast paced, great visuals, continuity nods, Luna was not overbearing and was used as needed, I felt for Sweetie even though she was being unreasonable, I was happy when she succeeded in saving her sister, Rarity was used well, some good subversive gags. Loved it. If I had a complaint, I guess it could be blunt in a few areas (particularly those clumsy exposition drops at the start.
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Which of the main six would be the best narrator?
Whatevs replied to FNGRpony's topic in MLP:FiM Canon Discussion
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Do you still feel twilight is the main character? IF so why?
Whatevs replied to FNGRpony's topic in MLP:FiM Canon Discussion
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As for S&E. As argued by the OP. Rarity did not need to be punished as she saw things had gone to far on her own. But it goes deeper than that. Why did Rarity do what she did? Well she explicitly states she did what she did to avoid ruining her chances at joining high society. And she lied to her friends so as to avoid disappointing them (also explicitly stated but much earlier in the episode). So basically what happened was Rarity handled a delicate situation poorly and things got out of hand. There was no intentional wrongdoing in any of it. When Rarity saw things were getting out of hand and that she risked hurting her friends she decided to make things right by doing the moral thing: siding with her friends. The fact that she did not get punished is a crucial part about this. Think about it, the point of the ending is that it is never too late to right a wrong. But to have Rarity punished would have ruined that. Also I would argue demanding that a character be punished for screwing up is a bit immature, especially when we complain that the show should be more mature.
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Here are my thoughts about "For Whom the Sweetie Belle Tolls"
Whatevs commented on Commander_PonyShep's blog entry in My Fears for My Little Pony
Yes, Rarity will be at fault. Obviously. Even thought the synopsis only shows that the one who did anything deliberately was Sweetie, Rarity will be at fault. It's possible that they will make Rarity the bad guy, even though she should not be and does not need to be, but assuming the fault will be Rarity's when the synopsis' language clearly puts Sweetie in the wrong is silly. Unless there is another synopsis I have not seen it seems to me that Rarity will indirectly do something which makes Sweetie mad and Sweetie handles it poorly. Personally I hope they go for that as they've nearly exhausted the "Rarity is always in the wrong" thing. They have done a good job so far characterizing her motives differently but a rut is a rut. I know, it is customary to not give Rarity credit she deserves by criticizing everything she does no matter how benign, ignoring the depth to her character or holding her to a high standard but this is silly. Condemning her without having seen the episode. I understand, of course, this is not your intent however it is often times how these things go. So I am not criticizing you personally, or criticizing your opinion. -
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As much as I like this episode, something puzzles me. People say it adds depth and development to Pinkie as a character, but I don't see that. Aside from her snapping herself out and deciding to challenge Cheese on her own. I ask particularly since people say this about a lot of Pinkie things (her micro being a big example) when the work in question does not actually do so.
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Why the sudden appreciation for Rarity? What changed in your guys' heads? I ask because I'm testing a theory and any info would be appreciated. Very well thought out. However, I disagree that simply being flanderized for one episode takes said character out of the running, when the other 2 were also flanderized and have been relatively static low risk characters (referring to Rarity versus AJ and Flutters). Just an idea to prompt discussion as I feel that was unfair.