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You forgot to have her om-nomming ice cream! but it's good artwork

The doomsday clock is about as fictional as Nostra Damus's cryptic predictions.

A clock doesn't go backwards either it just nuclear physicists trying to seem important.

>Cause and effect

>Time travel

 

Pick one.

But time travel done right like back to the future as referenced in this thread, won't leave you with such questions.

No see that's where you're not understanding what a loop is. You're assuming that there was ever a point when the loop wasn't there, but it was always there.

I believe in cause and effect, not this time loop here exists because it does.

No one missed the obvious question, you just missed the obvious answer. Loops don't have beginnings, they're loops. They loop.

But in order for that loop to have started in the first place, Twilight would have had to have been seriously hurt for the first twilight to ever go back in time to warn the past Twilight of something. The loop became that of worrying yes, but a loop has a starting point. 

1st Twilight (Would have nothing to worry about but somehow gets injured so goes back into the past to warn 2nd Twilight) - 2nd Twilight causes the pain to herself over worrying and tells 3rd Twilight not to worry - This starts the loop of complete paranoia and now loops into her getting the injuries to begin with.

Now the only thing that happens that could happen to 1st Twilight is maybe her injuries were sustained by Cerberus cause she wouldn't be worried and thus the dog would catch them by surprise.

If Susie has 10 cakes and her friend Bethan asked to 5 cakes, how many cakes would Susie have left?

10 cakes and a dead body.

I hate time travel episodes because everyone misses the obvious question that needs to be asked.

Twilight is the one that causes Twilight to panic and do all that stuff to herself, but here's my question. what causes the first ever Twilight of that time loop to panic and get to that state? Time loops are annoying things and sometimes writing about them can shoot yourself in the foot or hoof in this case quite badly.

By all accounts the time loop shouldn't of really happened.

Horrible joke...

 

What's the difference between a jew and a boy scout?

 

The boy scout comes home from camp...

Oh my god, that's so dark. my kind of humour.

Just here to show my appreciation for marshmellow pone. I adore her character and also love Tabitha St Germaine as a voice actor.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt. You aren't ignoring the very clear context of my words. You actually don't understand it.

 

Let's see...Gilda = condescending outburst. Pinkie = spontaneous shenanigans.

 

While you can view anything as a "problem", this thread is concerned with how bad a character, namely Gilda, is. Pinkie's outbursts have no relation to Gilda's.

But how Gilda is portray is actually partially the ponies fault as well. For instance if Pinkie kept her distance Gilda and Dash hadn't pranked Gilda 4 times in a row then chances are Gilda wouldn't have done the outburst. Unfortunately that and a few other scenes is all we have for reference is the few scenes she shares with Pinkie, We actually never see Dash and Gilda hanging out un-disturbed. 

It's difficult to judge Gilda's character at her core when we only know that Dash and her used to be friends and that's it. I hope she will appear in season 5, I doubt she will but she is a character that needs fleshing out.

I got the best joke. My life. 

Gilda was mean to Fluttershy. Therefore, she must die.

Celestia was mean to Luna for banishing her, therefore she must die.

Well various writers have joked about it on Twitter, also one said it could be Twilight, you know what happens when writers say that their killing off a character right? 

Character disappears for a couple episodes and then is back via plot contrivance. Perhaps it could be Twilight gets encased in a prison statue or something or other and the mane 5 have to find a way to bring her back. That's how I'd see it done.

Yeah. They both blew up a bit. Understandably so. However, Gilda blew up all on her own. If not for her pride and poor attitude, the pranks would've remained just that. Pranks.

 

All I have to say to that is this, you get pranked 5 times in a row and not lose your cool or at the very least get upset. I'm honest enough with myself that if I got pranked 5 times in a row I'd absolutely flip my lid.

Yes, she does says she's down with a good prank....prank, one.

While that line does take the offensive, it's easy to see why Dash says it. Gilda insulted everyone at the party, and hurt Dash's feelings. "In the heat of the moment", right?

 

I sympathize with Gilda, but you're trying too hard to defend her. The same thing people do to Gilda, you're doing to Dash.

 

She clearly cares for Rainbow, but lost control of herself. Whether all her actions can be pinned on a bad mood is up to us, but she needs to work things out.

 

If someone extends a helping hoof first, then that's great, but it's never guaranteed. She has to decide.

Yes, the whole situation was during the heat of the moment, neither of them were in the right to do what they did. Gilda blew her top but so did Dash in her own way. Yes, Gilda walked out on them but that situation was un-salvageable to begin with. The thing is Gilda is referred to as a false friend as Silver Letter pointed out. Now false friends are usually after something but at no point do we get a frame of reference as to what that something is so she would have no reason to falsify a friendship. I am being hard on both on them but at the same time trying to prove that Gilda was not the only one in the wrong in the entire scenario.

The whole scenario was forced and made little sense, any episode that leaves you with the wrong kind of questions such as "Why were they friends to begin with?" is just poor writing.

The writers were counting on you disliking that scene. Their character assault on Gilda was so transparent that they may as well have had Pinkie speak directly to the audience and tell them to dislike her. So if the other things she had done was not enough then they just decided to have her yell at Fluttershy for essentially no reason and then call it a day so the viewers would surely hate her by then and would want to see her annoyed only more down the road in the episode during the party scene. Rainbow Dash...she really did dismiss Gilda instead of trying to reason with her. It was her fault and she acted as if friendship was disposable. Would she do the same to her other friends? And also, Fluttershy didn't try to intervene, seeing that she might have been able to empathize that it really wasn't a good day for the griffin.

 

I think the analysis did good enough to point out that Gilda's actions were not significant enough to warrant being discarded. Stealing the apple didn't even warrant Pinkie telling anybody, even the cart pony. She was just out to bring Gilda down because she's hopelessly jealous and wants to be the center of attention all the time. We see this with her a lot.

 

It's also too bad we didn't see the voice of reason show up more. If Twilight Sparkle had intervened and tried to talk about the nature of griffins then perhaps Rainbow Dash would have not overreacted but we also see at the end of the show that she is bringing up nonsense about "false and true" friends. She even brought up controlling one's own behavior but that's not what happened with her friends. Of course, she is talking about Gilda. She must have read the script.

 

Anyway, the entire mane six failed as far as I'm concerned. Perhaps Celestia should have taken the elements back. They were more like the enemies of friendship.

Thank you for complimenting my analysis, I often joked with my friends that the scene that tries so hard to paint her out to be a bad guy might as well cut to her dumping a box of kittens in a river.

No matter how terrible she was, I'd actually think Pinkie would be more devastated than anyone the Dash lost a friend that day.

Actually, that is a valid point, especially when we know how much Pinkie goes through just to re-unite people together, again Cranky Doodle Donkey in a friend In-deed.

I was offering a clarification, not being defensive. Defensive people generally don't invite others to continue the conversation. Anyhow, that's a tangent to the discussion.

 

As I understood Dash's statements, she was simply saying that as her old friend, Gilda shouldn't look down on her new friends, as her rant about them being lame revealed and if she wanted to keep that "too cool for you" attitude, she'd be better off elsewhere. Her losing her temper was not the issue, it was the way she showed in how low regard she held the ponies (sans Dash).

Well that rant was said in the heat of the moment as she had lost her cool, when we lose are cool a lot of us lose a filter and sometimes say things we don't 100% mean. When Dash came forward to confess that the pranks were her doing you could see a drastic change in Gilda's tone, a tone that suggested she realized she was wrong and would of probably apologized if Dash didn't go on the offensive with the whole "I guess I'm the lame-o". 

I just think that episode was trying a bit to hard to paint Gilda in the wrong and paint Dash in the right that it felt like gaping holes of plot contrivance. There's a lot about Gilda we do not know we are just told that Dash and Gilda used to be friends at that camp. But if one blown top is enough to go "Lel gtfo of me lyfez" for Rainbow Dash, what made them friends to begin with? it stems back to the element of loyalty being what can be viewed as disloyalty.

Have you ever played Pinball? if so do you remember the last machine you played?

Just googled MLP forums funnily enough.

The main problem with Gilda was that she considered everypony except Rainbow Dash "lame", and that's exactly what she revealed when she blew up after all the pranks. It wasn't just that she was angry about being pranked, she basically told everypony exactly how little she thought of them, and that's what RD reacted so strongly to.

 

Secondly, stealing even one apple is wrong. Stealing a whole bushel would be wrong as well, but the fact that it was one apple doesn't make it suddenly okay to be a thief. As for your example of Aladdin, there's a crucial difference there. Aladdin, as a penniless and friendless street urchin, would literally starve to death if he didn't steal, while Gilda has no right to make that claim. Does it make Aladdin's theft "right"? No, not at all, but it's understandable that he would because he is forced to by desperation. Again, that's not something Gilda is able to claim for herself. Besides, if she didn't have money, as you claim, she could easily have asked RD for a few bits to buy something to eat.

 

Thirdly, you keep assuming that griffons have a natural "hot temper", something that is never demonstrated in FiM. Gustav le Grand was pompous, but he never showed signs of being hot tempered. That's a trait of Gilda's, and claiming it a natural attribute of griffons seems more like a generalization and excuse of her behaviour than anything.

 

I may have missed some of your points, but I wanted to post this reply. Feel free to mention anything you want me to talk about, I'll do my best.

 

Just to be clear, though, I don't really demonize Gilda to any great degree, in fact I find Trixie more unlikeable in general, so keep that in mind, ne?

Well the stealing thing can go around in circles all day, but as for the hot tempered aspect of gryphons Gilda was the first and probably would of been the last if Lauren was kept on the supervising team, Gilda was a very accurate portrayal of a mythological gryphon. Plus I don't know why you people are getting so defensive and trying to protect yourself as if I'd jump down your throat for having another opinion. 

Gustav had control of his temper but still came off as a little negative because that's how gryphons were portrayed in writing. But this is less about the fact that she has a temper but the fact that Dash pretty much dumped her as a friend when she lost it once when it was really Dashes fault she lost it to begin with. Dash then doesn't apologize and tells Gilda to skidaddle because she has new friends.

I kinda agree that Gilda wasn't that bad. She was just pissed off because she couldn't be alone with her friend. Are they trying to say if someone gets pissed off that you should end your friendship forever?

This was my sentiment exactly, I actually had an idea for an episode where she would come back to apologize but Dash and the others wouldn't hear her out but the only one that does is Fluttershy, the element of kindness is willing to give her another shot and main aspect of the episode is learning to forgive others if they generally try to change. With Fluttershy's help maybe Gilda can learn to control that temper of hers. 

@@Tilt,

There's always something I thought in relation to Gilda, and, that, in the episode "Griffon the Brush off" Rainbow Dash basically disses Gilda after they have a few problems between Gilda, and RD's new set of friends, and, almost as soon as things go downhill like this, RD basically tells Gilda to go away, even though they only started off on the wrong hoof, and not actually did anything THAT bad. (Screaming at Fluttershy included.) 

 

Either way, dissing an old friend at the slightest sign of trouble isn't friendship. It's something that's supposed to be worked out.

That's probably why I love the 'Maud Pie' episode. Because they actually try to solve the problem instead of just dissing her instantly like they did Gilda.

 Quoted for truth.

Well okay, I like your points and don't be offendid by this but I don't really think you're looking at this from both sides, you want to like her since she's a Griffon and I totally get that! I wanna defend Fluttershy all the time even if I can't because I think she's great and since you love Griffons you want to defend Gilda.

However, you can't really defend her actions with those points, I understand Pinkie can be full on and rather annoying to Gilda but if someone annoyed me I wouldn't try and make her helicopter (thing) crash into the ground with very dangerous possibilities, that point kind of explains itself in why...

Secondly, as for her not stealing because she may have a different currency or whatnot that's total bogus. Let's say I went to America and stole a wallet because in my country that's not illagal (for arguments sake) so I couldn't say in an American court that I "didn't know that's a law" because its my fault for not learning the basic rules and therefore should be punished. Because everywhere has different rules and that's just how everywhere works (P S on this point thanks to season 4 we see Griffons with the Equestria games so we know that there is griffons in Equestria, just adding that in)

And third with Fluttershy, that was... That was just TOO MUCH ANGER! I see qhT you mean that Fluttershy should have been more careful, I totally agree! But damn, that was WAY TOO MUCH! Also... NOPONY (or Griffon) CAN HURT FLUTTERSHY!!!!!

Now onto the loyalty part, RD was loyal to the friends who were the better choice. RD really just looked at Gilda and noticed how mean and crueal she was being and stayed loyal to her true friends who diserved that friendship. That was one of the most loyal thing I remember RD doing tbh.

Thanks for reading and have a great day

People change, Gilda and Dash both love being "cool" so they probably used to have that in common but Gilda, as we saw, went too ott with being a cool cat

I never said gryphons were never in Equestria but in the episode Rarity states out flat that gryphons are a rare sight, also that was an olympic event meaning they could well enough been from a different country.

Now yea I agree with the ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law but stealing a wallet is a bit different than stealing an apple. Wallets have money, personal ID's and anything else important that a person would put on them. When she stole an apple she did indeed break the law, But really stealing an apple, a single one when the town isn't exactly starving for them isn't going to break anyones back. Aladdin stole bread because he had no money does that make him a bad guy? And Aladdin thieved regularly.

Now I'm not really defending Gilda I'm just pointing out that maybe she isn't as bad as she seems. It just seems a bit odd. Gilda obviously cares about Dash as shown in several scenes in the episode, even doing the junior speedster song for Pinkie showing that she wasn't really a hog of Rainbow Dash she just wanted some alone time.

I never liked Gilda, and refuse to rewatch her episode. Very detailed analysis though! I don't believe that Gilda has any redeeming qualities.

It may not seem that, but if that were true, why would Dash be her friend to begin with?

A pretty good analysis, if I do say so myself. The only thing I won't agree with is how Dash buzzes Gilda off, but I suppose we can agree to disagree.

 

One thing that I remembered while reading is that in some parts of mythology, griffins never got along well with horses. If we ever see Gilda again, I would love to see more of her land and how her race would react towards ponies. It would explain quite a lot on why they're so angry and out-of-touch with things.

Gryphons often ate horses, you are correct on that statement. But when it comes to Dash what I don't understand is how they were initially friends to begin with especially when one temper tantrum is enough for Dash to tell her to get lost essentially.