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On 15/03/2017 at 7:02 AM, Malcontent said:

If they'd given time to introduce him and not have him come in and be a foil for a plot twist now and then we might be more receptive. But alas, he's just Flash now. :/

That's why it's better to actually try to make him interesting instead of complaining about how bland he is.

On 08/03/2017 at 6:21 AM, Eddie123 said:

Flash Sentry is barely a character. There's no point in trying to speculate on him because he's so incredibly bland and useless to Equestria Girls.

There's also no point in you commenting if you're just gonna parrot the exact same weak argument every Flash-hater has been whining about. That fact is that you simply accept the idea that being bland is all Flash is meant to be, even though he’s basically as much of a blank slate that can be given a personality like as any other BG/supporting character. Again, Bronies have been given taking something small and make something big from it. Unlike haters like you who keep complaining about the exact same thing over and over without trying to see it from a different point of view, at least those of us have the maturity to adapt and compromise instead of just taking everything at face value and complaining about how he shouldn’t exist and how he deserves to be treated like the fandoms cancer.

On 08/03/2017 at 6:21 AM, Eddie123 said:

Sorry to say this but while the extreme hate is going to far, heavy criticism is justified. Flash has zero personality to dicepher as a unique character.

First movie: Bumps into Twilight a few times, gets Twilight out of a dilema (within 2 minutes nonetheless) even though any other character could have done it, dances with Twilight to be nice.

Second movie: Asks once if Twilight is returning, gets annoyed she's "competing" against him in the battle of the bands, hugs her in the end.

Third movie: Is dissapointed human Twilight doesn't know him.

Fourth movie: Is dissapointed human Twilight doesn't know him, bumps into Sunset.

So basically he bumps into characters and has feelings for Twilight that are glazed over. Doesn't seem like a necessary or likeable character. At all.

To quote Honest Trailers, "He's so edgy, he could have been cut out of the movie and it wouldn't be any different!"

First of all: This forum is focused on making him more likable, genius.

Second of all: The same could be said for any other characters in the other movies:

Trixie's scenes could've been removed completely since the Dazzlings could've simply trapped the Rainbooms themselves.

The Shadowbolts barely had any interaction with their "counterparts" despite all the hype and could've been switched out with other humanized rival/enemeis from the show.

Filthy Rich's villany made no sense, he could've been replaced with Glademane, Svengallop,or even his wife Spoiled Rich and it would've made more sense.

Timber Spruce gets a buttload of screentime together with Twilight yet he never actually "connects" with anything going on with her. He's mostly there to be Human Twilight's love interest and a red herring for Sunset, he doesn't play any part in in Twilight's issues with Midnight Sparkle and accomplishes little to nothing against Gaea Everfree.

So don''t single Flash out for being "useless " when there are plenty of characters in the movies and the series that have that fault.

On 08/03/2017 at 6:21 AM, Eddie123 said:

The major difference between the show's characters and Flash Sentry is that one, they all serve the purpose of the (mostly) character-driven show, two, they get adequate screen time to develop, and three, we actually see them act outside their advertised trait, maybe even most of the time. Flash is in no more than 3% of the entire Equestria Girls series and yet his scenes feel incredibly forced.

Please do not call those who point out obvious flaws "lazy hypocrites". We're just speaking our mind. 

Flash DOES have personality that can be used, and he DOES have a few character traits and flaws, and those CAN be used to give hr more depth as a character, even if it’s only a little, the little can go a long way. And I’ll say it again, we give him trait by looking through ALL scenarios and possibilities, not just the ones we WANT to. BTW, if he’s "worthless" then why are you wasting your time why even waste your breath hating on the character when you could be hating on a character who actually deserves it? At least characters like Glademsne, Blueblood, Spoiled Rich, Garble, and Svengallop did something to WARRANT the fandom’s hatred.

Flash? He exists.

And I'm not calling people that hate Flash "lazy hypocrites", I'm calling their reasons for hating him are lazy and hypovritical

On 07/03/2017 at 4:07 PM, TheWittyToaster said:

Now this is an interesting argument to tackle and I'll try my best to give you the counter to it. First off let me say that while you do have a point that there is possibility in this character that can make him interesting, the fact that he's been the same since his introduction despite his multiple appearances in the show and movies causes that point to have no ground to stand on.

Actually he does, aside from a few facts I put up in the first place, he does have certain unexplored aspects that can be properly utilized:

An ordinary guy, surrounded by extraordinary people, stuck in an impossible situation, and having to work his way up from the bottom.

Now THAT is something that me and a lot of people could get behind instead of what every other Flash-hater proposes, which is nothing but a mean spirited excuse to make fun of Flash and ridicule him, no matter the justifications they give.

On 07/03/2017 at 4:07 PM, TheWittyToaster said:

I stand by my point when I say that he is bland and unoriginal and looking back at the films he still is. Now you ask why it's okay for the fandom to put characteristics into background characters but not with Flash, but that's completely the reason why. These are background characters, characters that are meant to fill empty space. They aren't meant to be in the spotlight and have character and that's where the beauty of the community comes in. Fans GAVE character to them to give them personality, filling an empty hole that wasn't intended to be filled. With Flash however, that's when it is a problem. He's given character to FIX his personality, filling a hole that should've already been filled. A character like him who's given screen time and a "role" shouldn't have to rely on head canons to have a personality.

The 100th episode says otherwise. Not to mention appearances are deceiving. It's the inside that counts. Sure, he looks cool, acts nice and plays music. But what else? We've already seen some of that "perfect" layer peeled off and he's clearly not Mr Perfect. He has flaws and quirks that makes him likeable.

The problem is that some people don't want him to be made better, that complain that he's too bland because it's easier to do, they complain about the problem but won't offer any solutions outside to "remove him from the series forever". Why? Because making him interesting takes effort, effort that they don't want to put into Flash because it's much easier to hate him and treat him like dirt then to make him likable.

Flash-haters only care about problems.

Flash-Supporters try to provide solutions.

On 07/03/2017 at 4:07 PM, TheWittyToaster said:

Speaking of head canons, all the points you gave involving the main and side characters are just that, ideas only real to those who believe them. These are extras that if taken away won't really matter in the end. If you take away all the head canons for Flash then you're taking away 90% of his character. Gamer Luna and lesbian Dash are just for fun and don't matter when it comes to their existing character. They actually have goals and history, things that Flash doesn't.

Not all of them, pretty much each fact I brought up was taken directly from the movies themselves, the only ones that are in head-canon territory are the Sunset guitar, Police Officer & little brother ideas. It may not be much, but we’ve done a lot more with much less. The problem is that people like you can’t be bothered to acknowledge it because it’s easier just to hate him and use the same old "he’s bland" excuse.
 

On 07/03/2017 at 4:07 PM, TheWittyToaster said:

Your point on cliches would be valid if it weren't for the fact that cliches are what make Flash what he is. You have to really look when it comes to finding cliches in the main characters while Flash wears them on his sleeves.

 

In that case then it's a matter of adding to what we have. For example, the royal Guard/Police Officer idea I brought up. Going into depth on why human Flash might become a Police Officer is one of many good ways to start fleshing out the character properly.

However Flash-haters are so focused on him being "standard high school love interest" and hating him for that instead of regarding how one could salvage him, and won't even say "This is how to make Flash a better character". And the thing is? I know other writers that have done more with him in spite of what little we have, and they don't change his "nice guy" nature to do it, they run with it:

http://www.fimfiction.net/story/348490/1/maybe/maybe-not

http://www.fimfiction.net/story/288283/do-i-matter

http://www.fimfiction.net/story/306359/1/the-shields-we-share/agents-of-the-shield

http://www.fimfiction.net/story/201993/1/but-thats-my-big-brother/ready-aim-freeze

http://www.fimfiction.net/story/220322/1/i-just-wanted-to-say-im-sorry/i-just-wanted-to-say-im-sorry

(I suggest you check more of Jay-the-Brony’s work. He does a good job with giving Flash more characterization even when he's not the main focus of one of the stories.)

http://www.fimfiction.net/story/240074/1/why-dont-they-like-him/why-dont-they-like-him

http://www.fimfiction.net/story/330315/a-sibling-moment

https://www.fimfiction.net/story/318514/1/words-of-comfort/words-of-comfort

https://www.fimfiction.net/story/326108/1/a-rainy-day/a-rainy-day

https://www.fimfiction.net/story/356700/how-to-disappear-completely

On 07/03/2017 at 4:07 PM, TheWittyToaster said:

You are right when it comes to the fans liking a female Flash more, hell they already do. Her name is Sunset Shimmer but with her she actually changed by the second movie.

No, here's the perfect example of Female Flash:

Vinyl Scratch..

Has no character aside from being a mute DJ.

Has close connections with one of the mane cast.

Has a cool car that can also transform.

Pretty much almost the same aspects that Flash has, yet everyone love her.

43 minutes ago, SONICchaos said:

Pretty much what I was thinking. Flash never really displayed a "personality". He just had attributes you noticed about him like he is nice, plays guitar and appears in a few scenes. Thats his character. I dont think he even has more than 5 lines in the first movie and yet i'm supposed to feel some kind of connection between these two. Its written in so it will be there and complete the high school romance plot.

Timber's affection toward Twilight while brief showed a lot more affection a human being would show another instead of "im nice" "you're female" "the script now says we're in love and dating". I at least felt Timber was trying to get Twilight to warm up to him rather than just be introduced, share a few lines and bam OTP comming through!

Warm up to him? You're joking right? Timber just he sees Twilight, he starts putting the moves on her, and then suddenly she's into him and they look ready to suck-face in seconds.

Flash at the very least get something to earn Twilight's affection at first, sure it was a minor thing, but he did something before said spark happened and they started giving each other the "I want you so badly" eyes. Not to mention the fact that they're little romance either comes up out of no where or didn't really get put to use.

As I've said before, if Flash and Twi's romance is underdeveloped, then Timber and Sci-Twi were an example of moving too fast.

I gather that you'll never accept my general apathy towards Flash, but the vast majority of those don't strike me as particularly unique or compelling. Timber doesn't have all that much to him either, and he's hardly one of my favourite characters, but Legend of Everfree puts more effort into giving him a bit more uniqueness, given the camp and the campfire stories and all. More importantly, he has a lot more charisma, and I like his chemistry with Twilight way more. The romance is underdeveloped, but it also comes from a place of mutual interest; with Flash, the relationship is entirely superficial. Neither goes all that far beyond them meeting and eventually dancing, but I never felt like the Flash/Twilight relationship was based on anything, even considering Flash's input in the first movie. (Although to be fair, the Flash romance raises fewer questions about character ages.) I'd like to see stuff like Flash's interest in music and his friendship with Derpy fleshed out, but Timber specifically draws comparison with Flash in the first movie, where those character traits are barely present, and since then he's effectively become joke, excepting Legend of Everfree, but I dislike almost all of the characterization in that movie, so it's not much better. 

It can only really be apathy if you knowledge both of their good aspects, which you barely have up until now.

As I've said, Flash at the very least get something to earn Twilight's affection first, he actually did something before Twilight really started showing more interest in him.

Twilight's attraction to him was somewhat superficial at first, but it was more a of an "interested yet uncertain" kind of way. For Sci-Twi? It was all of two second of flirting and they instantly started giving each other the "I want you so badly" eyes were ready to suck-face right of the bat.

If Flash and Twi's romance is underdeveloped, then Timber and Sci-Twi were an example of moving too fast.

While I'll agree that Timber got more effort put into him, as I've shown in the link above Flash has his own aspects that can be built on, and if that's not enough then now many character flaws does Timber have that you can point out?

And as I said in the link above, Flash was far from a joke, especially when we see him slowly acknowledge he has to let Twilight go, and his attempt to at least patch things up Sunset shows more maturity to his character, something that was built up over the course of these movies.

Timber has more charisma and personality. It makes a difference.

https://mlpforums.com/topic/160924-interesting-flash-facts-and-rants-on-flash-hate/

Timber is underused and underdeveloped, but anything is better than Flash, who is like a charisma black hole.

You've got it completely backwards.

So the guy who clumsily flirts with a girl within the span of a few seconds is somehow okay and yet you'll say he's underutilized and underdevelope, yet despite the fact that Flash shares the same problem apparently "anything is better than him"?

You do realize how hypocritical that sounds right?

Yes.

 

In the first movie, Twilight and Flash go through the motions without any specificity, and so they lack chemistry. Twilight and Flash like each other because the film says so, and even in the second movie, where it has more emotional weight, it plays out like an afterthought. Furthermore, despite Flash having aspects which could make him a compelling character, the films are allergic to exploring them, and the first in particular would lose nothing from his removal. If you want to make me like Flash, then give me something to like, or stop forcing him on me.

 

Timber at least has the backstory of the camp. He at least demonstrates some sort of personality. He at least contributes to the film's identity. And, most importantly, there's specific quirks to his and Twilight's flirting. Remove the age confusion and there's an actual base to build on, because there's a spark between the two which is actually fun to watch. Those science jokes are way more distinctive than anything involving Flash. The relationship isn't very well thought-out from a storytelling standpoint, but it's also the one part of its movie where I actually think charm is enough to compensate.

 

So I'll take a sketchy but cute relationship in my fiction over a completely boring one.

Gonna have to disagree with that.

The problem is that the flirting comes completely out of nowhere from Timber. He's there, he sees Twilight, he just starts putting the moves on her, and then suddenly she's into him. Flash at the very least get something to earn Twilight's affection at first, sure it was a minor thing, but he did something before said spark happened and they started giving each other the "I want you so badly" eyes. Not to mention the fact that they're little romance didn't really get put to use.

I wouldn't have minded as much as it actually contributed to one of the major arcs, mainly the Midnight Sparkle issue since it looked like he was going to be one of the few people who could get through to her in the end, but that doesn't even come into play near the final part of the movie. It really speaks volumes when your romantic subplot is supposed to be a big deal and yet Spike the Dog manages to outdo it in plot relevance.

If Flash is an example of too little backstory and not much to do with him, then Timber is the exact opposite, too much backstory and absolutely nothing done with it.

Him wanting to leave the camp and head to the city? Never brought up after it's mentioned.

Him covering for his sister? Done only so Sunset's got a red herring to chase around.

Sorry, but I'll go with Flash. He's at least been built up more and has a few more aspects to be explored, not to mention his history with Sunset. Timber is limited to Camp Everfree at the moment and really has no reason to be involved with the humane cast barring visiting Sci-Twi.

Are you implying I may not have entire objective thoughts on that matter?

No, just pointing out the fact that Flash has just as if not more potential than Timber.

While both were obnoxious in their own way, I'd say Timber has more potential, despite the fact he's got a grin that seems destined for a Chris Hanson clip.

 

Timber is by far more fleshed out then Flash ever has been. As much as I dislike both, the less of two evils is Timber, and we're already committed to Timber by now canonically. Flash seems to make a pass at Sunset and much to my delight, he ends up with a personal foul with a consolation prize from Derpy, so they are obviously thinking about that.

 

Both pairings are a mistake from a writing point of view. Friendship seems to be the main focus still, not love. The moment you pair somebody, you'll end up making someone upset, isolating a fanbase in one way or another. The key is to change just enough each time that the characters are seemingly the same, but in essence, evolve at the same time.

 

Flash COULD have been used properly if they'd planned for the fact we'd jump all over human versions of these characters like we did. But they didn't seem to think that far ahead.

I'm just gonna leave this here:

https://mlpforums.com/topic/160924-interesting-flash-facts-and-rants-on-flash-hate/

You were saying?

 if equestria girls movies have taungt me anything, it tells me that if you forcefully ram yourself against Twilight, you will obtain your waifu.

By that logic, Pinkie and RD should be her royal concubines right now.

you guys gotta remember, MLP is about friendship, and trusting friends, not about whic boys the most cutest, honestly it's prolly why the original creator erself dislikes the movies..but honestly, they both suck in different ways, Flash because he had such little devlopment, he helped in a few scenes yes, and some shorts gave him a bit of a playful personality, yet the writer of eqg clearly doesn't know how to write love well, people complain when Fanfictions have..sometimes well written oc X canon, but then they go on about flash twi, timber/twi..honesly, just..they both suck, flash just kinda poofs up and is like "yeah i'll help you, okay.." and timber is more like "Hey girl you tripped so i'm gonna make a pun instead of checking if you're okay, whats that, your bone is sticking out your leg? to bad, PUNS"

Here's the thing, Flash wasn't completely attracted to her until later in the movie, and he actually DID SOMETHING to earn Twilight's trust. Timber just clumsily flirted with her and suddenly they were giving each other "I want you" eyes.

Flash Sentry:

Can emit ultrasonic sound blasts from certain parts of his body, and channel vibrations to enhance them. Can also create generate ultrasonic sound waves through dance movements and can focus them into hypnotic beats that can stun the enemy or force them to helplessly dance along with him.

Derpy Hooves:

She operates on cartoon logic and can do just about anything that should otherwise be impossible. Bad luck tends to affect her and those around her, no matter how impossible the scenario may seem.

Cool. I really like the appearance of the storm king and looking forward to see what his character is like. Plus I find it interesting that Capper looks like some kinda cat pirate person, and Skystar looks like she could be a Flutter pony.

Indeed, some are calling Skystar "Good Queen Chrysalis"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlAvd86zIVU

Skip to 19:23 for some Flash info!

There had to be a significant amount of time before the first movie, for SS to have read up on and practiced human coupling traditions, to put herself into a relationship with one, and we know that for a unicorn turned human, who more than likely was taught how to play guitar from FS, they were dating for quite some time. So, while I know waifu lovers hate to think about it, and I, myself, cringe a bit when nagging thoughts of this bubbles to the surface, but....do you guys think SS and FS have held hands, kissed, cuddled, groped, or other things while they were dating? Would SS have milked the girlfriend act on the path to popularity, or would any coupley/boyfriend girlfriend activities gave been off limits to a pony who was trying to fit in with humans?

Personally, perhaps in part to the nature of the MLP brand, I can't imagine them doing much more than cuddling and kissing while they were dating. Any further, and I could probably never look at Shimmy the same way again....

I personally think they might've gotten pretty close and the break up and actually did have an emotional impact on the both of them. It's openly stated that Sunset it hadn't done anything to seek vengeance on Flash the first movie, maybe there was a bit of a lingering guilt that preventing her from doing so?

Not to mention the fact that when she says she was only using him she seemed little uncertain… Either she was ashamed that she did or regret that she never took the relationship seriously…

Then there is the fourth movie which shows her actually comforting him over his issues of there being two versions of Twilight, granted she took the Toughlove approach that she did show some concern for how he felt. not to mention she was willing to confide in him over her conflict with feelings towards Timber, showing that she at least trusts him enough to share that kind of info. Plus Flash himself states that she can tell when something is bothering her, so it's easy to say that they were close enough to be able to "read" each other during their relationship.

That being said, not trying to be mean or anything,.........but WHO REALLY CARES ABOUT FLASH?????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You'd be surprised:

https://mlpforums.com/topic/160924-interesting-flash-facts-and-rants-on-flash-hate/

Another issue that I have with this kinds of criticisms is that while everyone blows a gasket over Flash Sentry not having enough personality to have a believable romance with Twilight, there is still the whole somewhat popular mane 6 x background ponies.

You can't honestly say to me with a straight face that Comet Tail is a better love interest than Flash Sentry, or even has a personality for that matter.

I find it downright hypocritical that the fandom harshly criticizes Flash Sentry, but gives a free pass for literal background props with no personalities, who have literally never interacted once with the mane 6, as being love interests.

My friend... I like the cut of your jib!

With three all-new specials in 2017, I was thinking about what to expect from them.... or rather what I'd like to see in these specials.

1: The Return of the Dazzlings

We never see them again after the Battle of the bands, what happened to them? Where did they go? How did they survive without any magic? Are they plotting their revenge on the Rainbooms? Next to Tirek and Sombra these two were my favorite villains and I'd love to finally see more of them.

2: Character Development for Flash Sentry

Legend of Everfree gave him a little more development and hinted at him getting back together with Sunset. I would like to see him interact with more of the cast, get some more depth to his personality, maybe even get some insight on exactly what happened between him and Sunset that caused them to break up. This guy already gets too much unjustified hatred from the fandom and I hope that might change with some more development for the guy.

3: More Areas Outside of Canterlot High

Aside from Legend of Everfree, the only areas outside the school we ever see are Sugarcube Corner, Rarity's Boutique, and Pinkie's home (and a Carnival if we count the "Perfect Day For Fun" music vid). I'd like to see a lot more places and not be restricted to just the school.

4: Possible New Villains

Since the Dazzlings we haven't gotten that many villains with overall agendas, I mean Midnight was brought about through Cinch's manipulations (and she only wanted to use it for minuscule goals), and Gaea Everfree was more of a "good person doing all the wrong things" kind of girl. I'd like to see more villains who'd use the magic leaking into the world for more drastic and nefarious purposes. Basically kind of like Cinch but a more dangerous threat to the Humane Seven.

5: More Interactions with Equestria

I know it's a long-shot, but with more magic leaking into the world I really want to see some back-and-fourth interaction between the humane world and Equestria. Maybe have some threats make their way over to the humane world, forcing the mane seven to cross-over and help Sunset and friends out? or have the humane seven end up in Equestria for more interesting adventures!

And those are my thoughts. If you guys have any ideas to add peas don't hesitate to do so!

They realised how bad FLash character was. Now they pretty much erased FlashLight from existance by having Flash getting over pony Twilight and even making fun of him by having Derpy trying to cheer him up.

That's not a fair assumption, if they were really making fun of him they wouldn't have taken the time to give him a bit of development in the form of moving on from Twilight, even if it was a little.

Flash isn't a bad character, he just hasn't gotten more time to develop, so stop talking as though what you say about him is final, becuase newsflash, there are people that ACTUALLY LIKE HIM.

Flash is essentially a simple, cardboard cutout. One existing purely as a very generic love interest for Twily in the already very generic EqG movies.

That argument is nothing short of biased and hypocritical, Flash CAN be made interesting in the same way every other BG/supporting character has been on this show. So either provide a more LEGIT argument other than "he's so generic" or don't complain at all.

Is Timber better than Flash.....YES!!!!!!!!

 

Twilight's relationship with flash in the first movie was cringy, and honestly one of the worst things about that movie in general.

Flash himself has virtually no personality to speak of and Timber Spruce has more of an impact on this ONE movie than Flash has had on ALL of them.

That "no personality" argument is BS, the problem is that people like you just want to use that as an excuse to hate him more.

Also tell me, exactly what impact did he have on the plot aside from being an obvious red herring for Sunset and a simple safety blanket for Twilight? Nothing. He had absolutely no involvement in her issues with Midnight Sparkle and accomplished absolutely nothing against Gaea Everfree.

Say what you want about flash, at least he contributed something even if it was minuscule.

So ironically enough the "you could take him out of the story and nothing would change" argument that everyone likes to use on Flash can be applied to him as well.

So now, he's not better than him, if anything he's on the same level. If anything not to mention the fact that his scenes of Twilight pretty much came off as forced on several occasions. At least Flash waited until the second movie to try and score a kiss, here they were ready to suck face right off the bat.

Timber is better than Flash and that's it!

No it's not, either provide a LEGIT argument or don't comment at all.

Twilight Sparkle, Rarity and Fluttershy: Straight

Pinkie Pie, Applejack,  and Rainbow Dash: Bisexua

ZephyrDash: UGH...

RariBlood: Pretty sure she'd sooner bash his head in with her sewing machine.

My personal Straight Ships are:

Twilight X Human Flash (Sci-Twi gets Timber)

RD X Soarin

Fluttershy X Bulk Biceps

Applejack X Troubleshoes

Rarity X Spike

Pinkie Pie X Cheese

It's very reflective of how easily Twilight lets her hormones control her or dare I say maybe she's just desperate to be with a guy, Twilight Sparkle is jumping straight into kissing.

At least she waited until the second movie, Timber and Sci-Twi were ready to suck face right off the bat.

That and the fact that he's as bland as a rock.

 

 

The argument that he's too bland is nothing but a hypocritical argument for people too lazy to just give him a personality.

Seriously, if you believe that false fact, well here's my retort.

BECAUSE HE SUCKS.

flash_sentry_one_dance_by_dry_b0nes-d7dq2fu-1.png

 

There. I solved the mystery for you.

No one likes biased hypocritical hatred.